And the initial post here was not discussing quality, it asked when dance music started to be played in supermarkets. Given that most popular music today fits the description, that shouldn't be a hard question to answer. By merely stating that quality has something to do with it, you're inherently making yourself out to be the hipster you had just previously stated no one was being. C'mon, man, use your head. I'm not the one being illogical here.
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Dance Music...in a supermarket!
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Josh and Chubby Checker would get along smartly. Chubby uses the word 'dance' in the broadest definition. If you can dance to it then it's dance. Technically yes, but not by sound code or style. That's why we have Rock, Pop, Country, Dance, Folk, Classical, Jazz... The average person understands those blanket descriptions as a type of music. It's when you enter that 'rock' lane you learn the different styles of rock. Enter the 'country' lane - same thing. Dance has several sub genres, including what is called EDM, which is mostly considered "Big Room". An American term that marketing jumped on and sold to the masses. And if you think I'm a hipster, ask DJ Perry about me. We worked together for a year in Arizona. We didn't always agree but I did and still do respect him and his skills. Safe to say I'm not a hipster.
Mike, he is only gonna come back and tell you its the other way around. He will say EDM is the umbrella and all the sub genres fall underneath. Perhaps that's what was intended, but look at any use of the word today, and its clearly not.
I love your Chubby Checker analogy. The Twist was noted as the #1 "Dance" song of all time a couple decades ago!
I love your Chubby Checker analogy. The Twist was noted as the #1 "Dance" song of all time a couple decades ago!
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When you two come off your ivory towers of music snobbery, perhaps you might want to learn something:
In other words, what you're railing against is a marketing use of the term, not the actual term itself. You are, in stereotypical hipster fashion, excluding things that fit the description simply because they're packaged and marketed a certain way. You would have been telling Beethoven that his works weren't classical music because they were too romantic.
Seriously, for a thread about hearing a certain genre of music in a supermarket, you two have gotten WAY off track and far too caught up in your own indignation.
In other words, what you're railing against is a marketing use of the term, not the actual term itself. You are, in stereotypical hipster fashion, excluding things that fit the description simply because they're packaged and marketed a certain way. You would have been telling Beethoven that his works weren't classical music because they were too romantic.
Seriously, for a thread about hearing a certain genre of music in a supermarket, you two have gotten WAY off track and far too caught up in your own indignation.
Hey, I'm just as much against crappy music as the next guy. That doesn't mean that I'll refuse to acknowledge that said crappy music is within a genre that I've known, loved, listened to and played for most of my life. You don't get rid of crap by refusing to call it what it is. When DJ's and programmers find that particular songs or artists within a genre don't live up to their standards, they don't get played. I, for one, refuse to play anything by Miley Cyrus. Hasn't hurt my career at all. But I don't reject the fact that she's a pop musician (though I may use the term "musician" very loosely) any more than I reject the fact that Justin Timberlake is a pop musician. To do so is just plain ridiculous. They both fit the genre.
How would you know? Why are you trying to prove a negative? I have nothing against her singing and in the right production can be quite amazing. Guess I'm just too snobbish to NOT play an artist. I've met DJs in the past who have made comments similar to yours. We usually call them ******s. Not only can they not pick good music, they can't mix worth crap. DJs that welcome all music and find what works for a given situation are the names you know around the world. The others spin the 3pm shift at Hot Lanes Bowling.
Or they spin at 3am on the Energy Club House....oh wait....I did that shift! Hmmmm, its all making sense now. Then again I WILLINGLY don't spin Miley Cyrus either. Its only by force at a cheesey event or gay bar.
I know because I've only been hired to do more and more gigs as my career goes on. That doesn't take rocket science to figure out.
Well, then, lucky for me that I'm not usual.
And if Miley Cyrus worked for an appropriate situation, I would play her music. I have yet to come across such a situation, and having spun at more junior high and high school dances than I can count, including at the height of her popularity, that's saying something.
So you'll refuse to label EDM as EDM because so much of it is hyper-commercial marketing bullcrap, but you're willing to play Miley Cyrus (the very height of hyper-commercial marketing bullcrap) in a mix with what you would consider EDM? I mean, sure, mixing genres for the sake of variety is a skill any DJ should have, I'm not knocking that at all, but railing against something and then using exactly that something is just a tad hypocritical, don't you think?
Josh, Mike is not refusing anything about EDM. He stated what it has turned into, and admits he plays SOME on his station (in order to appeal to sheep, yet still educating with other genres). If anything, it seems you are refusing to see what is going on with the term. Pre 2010, the FEW that used the term understood it the way you do, and that's fine. That would actually be the hipster way of thinking. But after the labels cashed in and bastardized it, the average person (non hipsters) understand EDM as the sound Mike and I are talking about. You kind of remind me of myself back when this happened to Alternative. It was once pure and indie, but then all of a sudden, the labels identified the genre with Nirvana and that whole grunge sound. From then on, I had this battle with the alternative rookies, trying to convey to them that it started with Electronic and New Wave bands like Depeche Mode, New Order, The Cure and so on. They would just roll their eyes and say No thats gay. Alternative was poisoned with all the Rage and Korn and punk influences. I eventually gave up. Its the same today with EDM. These kids want their Afrowack, Steve Aoki, and Tiesto (new stuff only) and they would not be open minded to anything that actually is melodic or funky, groovy, deep, soulful. I hope I don't need to give examples, but that is House. EDM is not. Sorry, its not 2009 anymore. They win. EDM is what they put on those cheesy CDs "NOW That's What I call EDM!" with all the ******bags on the cover like Avicii and Deadrat.
In Europe, the House DJs I deal with don't play any EDM, and infact they laugh at it. They don't understand how it started off so good with Chicago House in the 80s (the birthplace of House), but now it's just a mess over here (in the states) with the cookie cutter sound. It's actually quite comical, because the whole 90s Dance sound has made a huge comeback in some of the new European tracks, but it pretty much stays over there in favor of the domestics signing Guetta, Laidback Luke, and the other jokers. If you really look at Dance globally, whats happening here is quite backwards
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Ha! I program an Alternative station as well, I know what you mean when you say it evolved to the 'guitar' sound of grunge in the 90's. It's always a challenge to find the right balance of indie, rock, popish and whatever the listener thinks is 'alternative' to them.
As for EDM. The labels have marketed a certain sound and call it EDM. That's why the latest dance consumers in the gen pub call dance EDM. It's what they were told it is called. Nice marketing for the festival crowd. For me, EDM is a simple sound code in Music Master, because EDM has a certain sound. Just as Electro, House, Trance, Euro Pop, etc...
Oh, and "Castles In The Sky" is coded Trance/Cheese for me. It's the commercial euro trance sound that came out of Belgium. Very shopping mall friendly.
As for EDM. The labels have marketed a certain sound and call it EDM. That's why the latest dance consumers in the gen pub call dance EDM. It's what they were told it is called. Nice marketing for the festival crowd. For me, EDM is a simple sound code in Music Master, because EDM has a certain sound. Just as Electro, House, Trance, Euro Pop, etc...
Oh, and "Castles In The Sky" is coded Trance/Cheese for me. It's the commercial euro trance sound that came out of Belgium. Very shopping mall friendly.
With this being said, breaks should be included as well.
Yes, breaks are included under the umbrella term EDM. That is correct.
yeah u keep mentioning that on random posts that are not topic related.....shameless plug?? haha
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