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Dance stations in the US

well, this is all stuff I warned of on the boards three years ago or more, I saw it coming,and was concerned, and many wrote me off at the time as being negative,while everyone stuck their heads in the ground,where they still are, instead of
demanding more adventourous choices in dance than a bland vanillA FEMALE VOICE SINGING ABOUT 'LOVE' TO A BOOM BOOM BEAT,
or worse, no vocals at all, just boom boom, with sounds effects, giggles and sirens thrown in...as long as that remains the choice of fare, nothing else will change, I promise you..
 
LaLumia what do you know about dance music when you where a punk rocker in the early 80s?
 
well, I know how to chart dance records internationally, and get them played ("Loud Enough" at KTU when Vic Latino was there;"Dance Floor" last year on Party 105 and other MediaBase reporting stations);
I was a retail Billboard dance sales reporter in the 80s when all those MicMac/Cutting records were released and I worked very closely with those labels to help many of those records cross over to Z100 and WBLI on Long Island, Mr.Freestyle! call em up and ask em)
...and Dance could use a bit on punk in the mix, cos the current 'dullsville' state of dance,and it's absymal mainstream reception(or lack thereof) in America,speaks for itself...

www.myspace.com/thejimilalumia
 
I don't know if the tracks today are bad. I think dance music is in the beginning stages of a comeback. TheI are are some great tracks such as Jupiter Rising's Electro Pop, Lucas Prata's I think im falling in love, September's Cry for you and Bob Sinclar's World Hold On. I am seeing a huge response in the Philly South Jersey area over the station I run. I think a lot of top 40 PD's are too afraid to play something off the grain. But look at the tracks that are coming out. Justin Timberlake's Sexyback is a dance track, Timbaland's tracks are dance leaning. But I also think the dance community needs to reeducate the general public. Labels need to get product out to radio stations and have product ready for purchase. The music is there it needs to be marketed and PD's need to be PD's again
 
Y-100 Miami might be picking up on Gaudino's "Destination Calabria"...a song which features Philadelphia native Crystal Waters. The song's been a huge radio hit in Europe over the past 6 months.
Personally, unlike lalumia, I love instrumental Dance music and think a bit of it can be tolerated on the radio in bits and pieces, though he's right that vocals have a better chance. The problem is that radio oftentimes overreacts and starts playing too many of the same sounding records. That usually tends to only work well on a few stations (Freestyle on Power 96 Miami, Euro on Energy 108 Toronto) while many others will see some sort of backlash for insituting a "jump on the bandwagon" policy. If you give people some House music, some Euro, some Latin Dance, some Dance/Pop (ala Timbaland and Hillary Duff), some Alternative friendly Dance (like Dirty Vegas), and even something semi-Trance (like ATB and Alice Deejay) you can make it work with the mainstream. This applies to CHR/Pop, CHR/Rhythm, and to Dance radio.
Look at how some stations have trapped themselves over the years: Power 106 L.A. evolved from Dance to Hip Hop in 92 b/c it was becoming too "hip" and playing too many of the Techno records that were exploding on the L.A. scene - songs that were were doing well in the clubs, but part of the audience had a bit of a tough time digesting too many of these songs all at once 24/7 on their favorite radio station. It was too new of a sound at the time.Modern Rock radio by contrast didn't go overboard on Grunge until the mid 90s even though the Seattle sound already exploded onto the scene in 91. However it did go overboard on Nu-Metal 5 years ago.
People are surprised about how slow radio has been on picking up on Bob Sinclair's "World Hold On". That's just the way these things work out sometimes with Dance hits. 2 Unlimited's "Get Ready For This" received some airplay back in the early 90s when it came out (particularly on L.A.'s KIIS-FM and Power 106) but most CHRs found success with it when they added it in 1995. Finally,let's not forget how long it took for most CHRs to pick up on the "Macarena", long after it became a hit on Power 96 Miami. When it did finally catch on it managed to reach number one on Billboard's Pop charts and helped make the new KTU in New York the number station in the market (they were the only station in NYC playing it at the time).
 
novelties, both of em;
2 Unlimited took off when it started getting used at sporting events;
macarena became a talking point on tv shows, a goof, let's watch rosie and regis do the macarena, and the housewives called up radio in droves;
don't get me wrong, I obviously have nothing against novelties, being one myself,but radio seemed afraid to step out on a perfect dance record like "Dance Floor"(with the exception of Party 105, for a short time ,at night, while NEVER identifying the artist or song title)
dance radio in america has designed it's own casket,and it looks like a nice fit;
Z100 seems to be already backing off the Bob Sinclair record..
 
Actually Z-100 has INCREASED the amount of spins on Bob Sinclar.
And you really need to stop claiming Dance is dead just b/c most stations didnt feel strong enough about your personal release. That's not very objective now is it? In fact, some would see your attitude as rather bitter.
 
Dance Music is alive and well but people have to look deeper for the good new music. Timberland's tracks are very dancey even though not true dance.
 
lalumia said:
novelties, both of em;
2 Unlimited took off when it started getting used at sporting events;
macarena became a talking point on tv shows, a goof, let's watch rosie and regis do the macarena, and the housewives called up radio in droves;
don't get me wrong, I obviously have nothing against novelties, being one myself,but radio seemed afraid to step out on a perfect dance record like "Dance Floor"(with the exception of Party 105, for a short time ,at night, while NEVER identifying the artist or song title)
dance radio in america has designed it's own casket,and it looks like a nice fit;
Z100 seems to be already backing off the Bob Sinclair record..
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Sounds like someone's bitter. The Dance music community kills itself and thats the main reason its not on as main top 40 stations. The music is there.
 
the dance music community kills itself...
now THAT sounds bitter(and I'm not, it's not like there's a flourishing dance scene at radio in America that I was shut out of; there's NO dance scene at radio in America to speak of, nor will there be with all the insular,self righteous attitudes out there, big fish in a mud puddle..)
 
Its not a bitter statement its a fact. Where is the promotion of new music? How about most of the top 40 stations not getting most of the dance tracks out there? I get calls from listeners all the time saying they cant find a lot of the music we are playing. You say there is no dance scene to speak of, well I cant answer for my fellow PDs but we have been making a lot of noise in the South Jersey and Philly area with the scene. Our Feb show had close to 2000 people in attendance, our weekly Friday night party has been doing great, with Louie DeVito, Denny Tsettos, Friscia and Lamboy and Oscar G is coming soon. Our listening audience keeps increasing. This is a work in progress. Its funny we have never been serviced with one of your records.
 
Dancerev889 said:
Its not a bitter statement its a fact. Where is the promotion of new music? How about most of the top 40 stations not getting most of the dance tracks out there? I get calls from listeners all the time saying they cant find a lot of the music we are playing. You say there is no dance scene to speak of, well I cant answer for my fellow PDs but we have been making a lot of noise in the South Jersey and Philly area with the scene. Our Feb show had close to 2000 people in attendance, our weekly Friday night party has been doing great, with Louie DeVito, Denny Tsettos, Friscia and Lamboy and Oscar G is coming soon. Our listening audience keeps increasing. This is a work in progress. Its funny we have never been serviced with one of your records.
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you have the right spirit and the right attitude, and I salute that/you,now to get everyone on board...as to never getting one of my records, everyone is fired as of right now!..lol..
actually,the most 'commercial' of the bunch, "DanceFloor",which has amazing musical hooks(not my doing) was included on Promo Only ,etc last year,and was designed to hook in the casual person who reacts to a "Macarena", 2 Unlimited, as I said , I have no problem being tagged a novelty,as those type of records, when actually given exposure , wind up eclipsing everything else...and it's a novelty cos it's an 'instruction' record(now do this, now do that),spoken, not a 'diva' record,and I know that people that don't react to the diva tracks DO react to this kind of track..you can hear it on the player here
www.myspace.com/thejimilalumia
I'm back to rock now, anyway, but I still dJ in the gay clubs, and would love to see a proper renaissance of dance in this country, I admire your energy and the work of Mr.Santiago, but if the tracks aren't right for the street, all those efforts will go only so far,and not far enough...
 
pretty groovy, but the back beat should be hard, I hate all the wishy washy jazz sounding tracks that don't have a hard back beat
 
and by the way, the Sinclair record has already slipped on Z100, dropping from #20 to #26 on their new playlist/chart; the record is a sore thumb at Top 40, and NOT in a good way, not to mention the fact that as soon as Z added the record, NY press should have been primed to highlight the record as 'the return of dance',try to get him up to MTV /TRL studio in New York, do the morning NY chat shows, but none of this was done...not to mention that the Z morning show implied that Sinclair was the vocalist...
this type of situation(producers/mixers getting the star billing) does not and will not ever work at CHR in NY or America, ever...
 
SINCLAR not SINCLAIR. Americans spell and pronounce his name wrong all the time.

SinCLAR - rhymes with CAR...as in Zoom Zoom.

You'll hear him say it that way.
 
lalumia said:
as the record is sinking like a stone, how to pronunce his name becomes a moot point, donchathink?
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Well since we play 4 Bob Sinclar songs at Energy 98, I'd say no. It doesn't matter if he's a one-hit wonder or has a string of hits. We need to get this stuff right. The UK just laughs at us with our great dance knowledge.
 
lalumia said:
as the record is sinking like a stone, how to pronunce his name becomes a moot point, donchathink?
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You should be so lucky to have you record "sinking like a stone" like that, donchathink?
When was the last time one of YOUR records was playing on Z-100 NYC, Y-100 Miami, XM's 20 on 20, Kiss 95.7 Hartford, Z-101 Buffalo, B-103.9 Ft. Myerrs, Z-104 Madison, Power 96 Miami, Wild 94.9 San Francisco, 102.5 K-Don Monterey, 97.7 K-Win Stockton?

Hey look Bob Sinclar's "Sound of Freedom" just debuted at number 7 in Italy - when was the last time that happened to you?
http://www.fimi.it/classifiche.asp?idtipo_classifica=3

The song is also still Top 10 in France:
http://www.ifop.com/europe/sondages/top50/sgl0726.stm
 
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