I highly doubt that KTAR listeners will be "protesting" if Dave Ramsey was relegated to a later time slot or left KTAR NEWS entirely. As long as there was a local outlet or station that broadcast his show, his "loyal listeners" will be sure to follow. I have a feeling that the vast majority of KTAR NEWS listeners that tune in from 5:00 A.M. to 12:15 P.M. and then from 2:00 P.M. to 8:00 P.M. are listening for the news aspect of the station, staying up to date on current events / breaking news and the talk elements of the news shows airing during that time slot. Those listeners are NOT sticking around to listen to the pseudo-infomercial that is the Dave Ramsey show that has ZERO news or even a news/talk element about it. That's my problem with the Dave Ramsey show on KTAR, it doesn't fit with the rest of the lineup and distracts from the live and local news nature of the station's format as he is neither live nor local nor news in any way.
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I highly doubt that KTAR listeners will be "protesting" if Dave Ramsey was relegated to a later time slot or left KTAR NEWS entirely. As long as there was a local outlet or station that broadcast his show, his "loyal listeners" will be sure to follow. I have a feeling that the vast majority of KTAR NEWS listeners that tune in from 5:00 A.M. to 12:15 P.M. and then from 2:00 P.M. to 8:00 P.M. are listening for the news aspect of the station, staying up to date on current events / breaking news and the talk elements of the news shows airing during that time slot. Those listeners are NOT sticking around to listen to the pseudo-infomercial that is the Dave Ramsey show that has ZERO news or even a news/talk element about it. That's my problem with the Dave Ramsey show on KTAR, it doesn't fit with the rest of the lineup and distracts from the live and local news nature of the station's format as he is neither live nor local nor news in any way.
Have you told anyone at the station this? Maybe started a petition?
That "billboard" would cause plenty of accidents for sure. That's all I'm going to say about Ramsey.
The satellite channel for Dave Ramsey feeds the show 24/7. One station I worked at used it as the designated "oh s--t" source - if a program was missing or your automation took a dump you could always pot Ramsey up and keep the needles moving.
The show is fairly timeless. He could take a month off and you'd be hard pressed to tell if he's in best-of or not. I think that's the appeal to stations - it's kind of a palate refresher when surrounded by political shows on a schedule.
From listening to Dave (on what was then my local news/talk station), the show reminded me of every TV show where good triumphed over evil and won in the end. We know the outcome. We know how it will play out as soon as the opening credits are over but we watch to the very end. I'd call good winning over bad a general formula for entertainment. Dave Ramsey is a positive show. Amid a day of politically based talk that generally places the listener amid a war where the host's side is in peril of losing, Ramsey's 'positive' might be just what is needed. Obviously it's there in the time slot because it works for the station.
I do have to say the concept and execution of the Dave Ramsey Show is pure brilliance from a business standpoint. How many others in talk radio wish they could have created a program that is evergreen and easy to operate, yet permits you to make residual dollars from the content with a free distribution network to market and reach the customer? I love the concept but I wonder how many thought Dave was crazy when he detailed the specifics.
I do have to say the concept and execution of the Dave Ramsey Show is pure brilliance from a business standpoint. How many others in talk radio wish they could have created a program that is evergreen and easy to operate, yet permits you to make residual dollars from the content with a free distribution network to market and reach the customer? I love the concept but I wonder how many thought Dave was crazy when he detailed the specifics.
It's very similar to the old Bruce Williams show. Bruce also sold a lot of his products on his show.
I liked Clark Howard’s show better than I do Ramsey’s. Too bad Clark’s voice hasn’t held up well over time.
I agree 100% with this. I used to love KTAR when Clark Howard was on in the evening hours after the 620 Sportsline. He actually dishes out useful consumer protection information unlike Dave Ramsey's show. Too bad Clark Howard is relegated to a late night slot on an AM signal limited station. If he were on a station that could be picked up in the southeast valley, I would still listen to him.
And Mr Legend - I seem to have missed your high-brow Anti-Christian show. Not able to wow millions of people or help them, so you, uh, trash success? At least the thinner air up where you must reside keeps you clean of the average man's rubbish.
(P.S. - I don't support or always agree with Ramsey and have no connection or desire to protect him. My beef is with another hidden expert elitist that can offer no alternative that has made he himself the end all of talk radio.)
By contrast, Clark does not do endorsements.
But when is it that the callers actually call in? Or are they all pre-planned, stunt callers instead?
According to Ramsey's website:
Live 2–5pm ET, M–F
Available feed 24/7 via Westwood One X-Digital Systems (XDS) platform
Now how long would Dave be on the air with stunt callers? The man strives for maintaining a decent reputation. Given his huge wealth, constant criticism and being under the microscope, that is tough. He can be incredibly tough to work for because he demands a great deal. Unconventional in many ways. Smart/crazy in others. Not a bad thing.
But you CANNOT argue with his decades of success, folks. He has given millions and millions of. people hope and has changed people's lives. That is a fact. And he also has many, many fans that are in the top 2 to 10% of income in this country, so he has quite a range of listeners and followers.
The times quoted for his live show are indeed correct. People also DRIVE to his office's outside of Nashville to go on his show and announce they are debt-free.
I would say he has the best radio gig in America. Name someone making more and arguing less.
I'm not sure it really matters. His callers fall into a few basic categories:
1. People who have made bad financial decisions and need him to lecture them on how to get out of trouble.
2. People who have followed his advice and need further guidance to "achieve their goals."
3. People who can do the "debt free scream" or whatever it's called and Dave can call them a success.
Then he gives them a free book, invites them to the nearest seminar, and moves onto the next caller. I have to believe that - given the nationwide nature of his show - his phone screeners are very good at picking and choosing which callers get on the air. There's what, maybe two or three callers per segment? Out of how many thousands that call in? Again, it's not quite an infomercial, but it's certainly very calculated to make Ramsey look like a financial genius. He's not. He gives basic advice and sells his books and seminars. Whether the callers are real or not is somewhat irrelevant.
Good points and mostly spot on!
But not a financial genus? Worth 100's of millions. No debt. Never been brought down like so many other genius politicians or business people we all follow and quote. In the top 1% of wealth. Gives away millions.
People call Disney a genius still today, but not until about the time he died. Before that...a joke to many in the movie industry. More failures than wins. Broke most of his life.
I work indirectly with Warren Buffett. He is worth, what, $90 billion? Some of his companies are not remotely perfectly run. He can't watch every move and transaction. But that doesn't make him a fool or stupid. He is the last person to call himself genius. He does not really allow people to put all that false praise on him. But 99.9% of people in America, if polled, would say he is a genius. (Not saying you implied any of these comments, Deux Ex Machiato. Your point is well taken.)
My guess is Dave has a strong ego that makes him think he IS a genius. I'll give him that. But you really can't say his "scheme"/plan/program is not genius. I think it's VERY genius.. simple can be the best genius. Starbuck's concept not genius? Amazon? Neither is rocket science. That's the genius of the American dream. I'd be alright being Dave. Bet most people would, too. The other folks on the Top Talkers List? Not so much. Maybe four or five.
That same signal-challenged AM (with a single translator) aired a couple night NFL games (including a playoff game) this season thanks to GCU being on 1580, which has a better translator. Radio contracts stink at times (ask 98.7 when ASU football was winning and the Suns still losing).
It's more like an audio equivalent of that 80's movie "Trading Places" - I have no doubt those "top 2-10%" (the ones paying for the show's sponsors since you can't have a fiduciary if you're living on beans & rice) listen to the show for entertainment purposes alone during CNBC commercial breaks. Conventional wisdom is that Bonneville picked up Ramsey during the recession- as that now feels like a generation away & everyone has adjusted to "the new normal," I think most everyone would agree the show has served its purpose and Bonneville should really take steps to save 92.3's legacy before it's too late. Ancient Modulation on the FM is nothing to write home about.
The show's purpose is to deliver an audience to advertisers.
When it doesn't fulfill that purpose it will be replaced with something else.
It's kind of how radio works.
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