Day 3 just as bad as day 1

[freakonaleash]

The David Lee Roth show is sinking fast. It has got to be one of the worst morning shows in the history of morning radio. I wish they would bring Adam Corrola to the east coast. David Lee sucks. I'll take John Boy & Billy or Bob & Tom any day over this moron. At the end of today's show, Dave was singing along to a record. It was painful.

 

[network]

> The David Lee Roth show is sinking fast. It has got to be
> one of the worst morning shows in the history of morning
> radio. I wish they would bring Adam Corrola to the east
> coast. David Lee sucks. I'll take John Boy & Billy or Bob
> & Tom any day over this moron. At the end of today's show,
> Dave was singing along to a record. It was painful.

Ummm...if this show is THAT bad, then why (or anyone else) wasting their time listening to it?

Oh, that's right. So people can write about it on boards like Radio-info.

Usually, most people, don't listen or watch things they don't care for. Unless your life is THAT boring that you have to put yourself through that.

 

[nate81]

> Ummm...if this show is THAT bad, then why (or anyone else)
> wasting their time listening to it?
>
> Oh, that's right. So people can write about it on boards
> like Radio-info.

The PD's Julie Washington ripped into Roth. Yesterday.

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainm...ase/entertainment/1136367239200050.xml&coll=2

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"David Lee Roth started his first day as heir to a slice of Howard Stern's radio kingdom by saying, "Six a.m. What am I doing on the radio?"

As the four-hour show unfolded Tuesday on WNCX FM/98.5, it became clear Roth had no clue.

His show, originating from New York, was mostly excruciating, sometimes funny. It probably prompted anyone who isn't a die-hard Roth fan to dive for the channel buttons.

CBS Radio, formerly Infinity Broadcasting, divvied Stern's talk-show domain to three people: Roth, the former Van Halen frontman, is heard in Cleveland, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Dallas and West Palm Beach, Fla. Rover--morning DJ for Cleveland's WXTM FM/92.3 (sic) -- is on in mostly Midwestern cities, and comedian Adam Carolla replaces Stern in selected Western markets.

Roth's first day behind the microphone was filled with illogical ramblings and parental advice from a man who is not a parent. Other than his sole in-studio guest -- his uncle, Manny Roth -- and a handful of call-in listeners and unnamed sidekicks who served as a live laugh track, the show was all Roth. No contests, no skits, no reading from headlines.

The best thing you could say was that he kept things clean.

Roth criticized the poor air quality at Ground Zero in New York, then suggested the site be used for schools, artists and student housing.

He blamed neglectful parents for Federal Communications Commission regulations (guidelines exist because parents don't want to take time to explain sexual behavior to children), overweight kids (parents don't teach kids about dangers of junk food) and AIDS (parents don't teach about condoms).

The show improved in its second half, as Roth interviewed his uncle about his experiences running Cafe Wha? in New York, where many stars of the 1960s performed.

An interview with Roth's flight instructor -- he's learning to fly helicopters -- perked things up.

By 8 a.m., Roth was declaring that being a radio host was a breeze, much easier than dragging oxygen cans up stairs, which he does as an EMS technician.

Unless Roth gets better fast, it's his morning radio gig that will need a whiff of oxygen."

==============================

The difference here is that Julie's paid to rip Roth. But I have to say, I like Julie in this role. Though the PD forgot that WXTM/92.3 changed calls to WXRK, she's an upgrade over Clint and Roger.

> Usually, most people, don't listen or watch things they
> don't care for. Unless your life is THAT boring that you
> have to put yourself through that.

Agreed. Could you please forward this to the cleveland.com radio board? It sure applies to their constant ripping of Triv, which while warrented, goes off the deep end over there.

- Nathan Obral

 

[Shadow]

> > The David Lee Roth show is sinking fast. It has got to be
>
> > one of the worst morning shows in the history of morning
> > radio. I wish they would bring Adam Corrola to the east
> > coast. David Lee sucks. I'll take John Boy & Billy or
> Bob
> > & Tom any day over this moron. At the end of today's
> show,
> > Dave was singing along to a record. It was painful.
>
> Ummm...if this show is THAT bad, then why (or anyone else)
> wasting their time listening to it?
>
> Oh, that's right. So people can write about it on boards
> like Radio-info.
>
> Usually, most people, don't listen or watch things they
> don't care for. Unless your life is THAT boring that you
> have to put yourself through that.
>

Granted some people will tune into stuff that they will later bitch about. But My guess is a lot of people, like myself, are tuning in to hear what what he is doing. Like any new show it takes time to get used to. DLR is terrible. I try different times during the morning to see if it is any better or remotely engauging (which it hasn't.) I actually do have a life but am still curious about a new show.

 

[JohnnyMorganWXJX]

You thought Julie was good--you should read John Gorman's take. It was published late Tuesday night on Larry Shannon's RadioDailyNews.com as an exclusive.

<a target="_blank" href=http://www.radiodailynews.com/johngorman.htm>http://www.radiodailynews.com/johngorman.htm</a>

 

[DeLuca]

DLR is pretty bad. I know Howard's shoes will be hard to fill in any of his old markets, but damn! And what is with those dumbass "Wisdom of David Lee Roth" commercials running on Cleveland TV? If you haven't heard any of DLR, check out the podcasts just for the comedic value of bad radio..

http://dave.freefm.com

Then listen to Corolla:

http://adam.freefm.com

Adam is a much better fit in my opinion, but what do I know?

-D

 

[MrKelly]

> Ummm...if this show is THAT bad, then why (or anyone else)
> wasting their time listening to it?

You've got to listen to it to know it's bad. Unless you've got friends who make the sacrifice, take one for the team and damage their own minds by listening for you.

>
> Oh, that's right. So people can write about it on boards
> like Radio-info.

And humiliate the people responsible for airing that crap. Didn't anyone interview Dave for that job?? At least pick up a copy of his albums over the last 10-plus years? If you want an accurate representation of his mentality, watch reruns of S-N-L. Chris Kataan did the best impression of DLR. "Zippity-bop!"

> Usually, most people, don't listen or watch things they
> don't care for. Unless your life is THAT boring that you
> have to put yourself through that.

Maybe some people are masochists and just have to know for sure that they really hate something.

 

[OldAkronite]

Ripping Diamond Dave

> You thought Julie was good--you should read John Gorman's
> take. It was published late Tuesday night on Larry
> Shannon's RadioDailyNews.com as an exclusive.
>
> http://www.radiodailynews.com/johngorman.htm

This is an especially good line out of the Gorman piece:

"This wasn’t the flamboyant Diamond Dave of his Van Halen days. What we heard was an ego-deflated has-been rock star who came across like he was on a triple dose prescription of Lexapro."

I've had a chance to listen to a little of the first hour of DLR's Tuesday debut. As I said in the MBoF(tm), I'm not going to judge everything on the first hour or first show...but it wasn't a good impression.

I get the idea he COULD kick up his game, but I didn't get the idea he'd have any idea how to do it. One wonders if the constant musical bed behind him in the first part of the show was meant to cover any awkward silence.

That being said, it was day one. I don't kill a man's chances based on the first show. I'm not all that optimistic about how he'll grow, but we'll see if this gets "fixed".

OTOH, Adam Carolla generally got good reviews on his debut on KLSX/LA and other west coast CBS and non-CBS stations. But he's got years of radio experience under his belt. I wonder if he'll be pitched to DLR stations if David ends up tanking...but that won't happen tomorrow, of course. And if it did ever happen, he'd have to start earlier than 9 AM ET.

For that matter, maybe the same with Rover (without the time zone handicap). Remember, CBS Radio head Joel Hollander said that these shows were all kind of a year or two long "tryout", and that the strongest would probably end up surviving...

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>

 

[Tim]

Re: Ripping Diamond Dave

Amazing....I agree with the posts above: after 3 days David Lee Roth is...well...just awful. His show is breath-takingly poor.

What stuns me is how a major broadcast owner...CBS....could ever have hired this guy. He may be (or was) a great singer....no doubt sold millions of records...but he's no radio guy.

Roth, in my opinion, sounds like he's never been inside a radio station, or ever listened to a morning show. He's constantly telling his engineer on the air to turn the music up and down...to "play the spots". He couldn't think that type of thing is being cool, could he? It isn't...it sounds...amateur-ish.

I listened to Adam Corolla on the KLSX stream a little this morning. He's OK, I guess. But, heck...he's Marconi himself comparred to Roth.

I'm sure the folks at satellite radio and execs at companies other than CBS are either shaking their heads, or laughing their heads off.

This program is really not rock/talk radio's finest moment. Unbelievable!

 

[adz]

In Defense of Diamond Dave

I listened to about an hour of the show Thursday morning..was it groundbreaking radio, where all of us forget Howard Stern?

No.

But I think there just might be glimmers of hope..

Allow me to explain..

If you listen to the callers, they sound similar to the ones who called Opie and Anthony when they were starting their Infinity syndication run..guys who were in their prime earning years, unlike the Wack Pack that called Stern...

DLR was never meant to be a carbon copy of Stern..he's actually a pretty smart guy, compared to Howard, who could be really shallow during days when the show was not up to par..I thought Roth was on something of a roll, with some interesting things to say between 7 and 8 Thursday morning..but until he can do that for four hours on a consistent basis, its not the appointment radio that Howard was..

I will agree that the music under the three guys in the studio can get a little silly--but the same thing was done on K-Rock with Stern for several years..if you listened to Stern's ''Best of'' a few summers ago, they actually pulled some of the material from that time period..the music beds ended with the move to syndication..

(I think the African American guy is a former Roadie for V-H or Roth..the other guy is a British import..who says even less then Fred Norris)

Roth may also build a following in NYC..he's more of a New York guy then Stern ever was..with an understanding of the ''grittier'' side of the city...Stern was a Long Island guy who was in a limo to and from work..I doubt if Roth gets the same treatment..

One other thing that is missing is the 10 minute commercial blocks..those have been reduced to four per hour, of about three to four minutes each..and Roth has been pretty good about hitting time posts..

Finally..

Would any of us had even bothered to listen to Whoppi, Jon or Geraldo if CBS had given them the nod?

This is day THREE..could any of us have walked into one of the most famous studios in the history of radio and not felt more than a little intimidated?

Do Joel and Tom have reason to worry--yes..but I doubt if DLR is going to get them fined anytime soon..

DLR did metion something about having Heidi Fleiss on if they can get her to appear..it might be interesting to see if Howard and Dave start battling for guests..

Give it time..if DLR is still at the same point in a year, then you pull the plug..but listning to three shows isnt fair..I'm glad nobody judged me on my first three air shifts, or my first newcasts years later..we all had a learning curve..give Dave his..

 

[BradyC]

> DLR is pretty bad.
> Adam is a much better fit in my opinion, but what do I know?
>
>
> -D
Dude,
Why do you open yourself up to the flamesters...is it purposeful ('but what do I know?')?
Anyone over the age of 40 knows that Roth is a goof..always has been, always will be...why be surprised when his show is the same as he is? It's the Stern zombies who'll be surprised when no one other than Sirius is talking about him in the next year (anyone hear ANYTHING about O & A since their move to XM?). I don't have the great savior-in-the-sky radio, but I can tell you what Stern's format will be without hearing any of it:
Hour 1: yell at your staff
Hour 2: have a female entertainer in your studio and ask her if she takes it up the butt
Hour 3: promote a fugly porn star as being gorgeous and do a stupid contest
Hour 4: complain about being "way behind" and do the news
ALL WITH DIRTY WORDS! Same as the old show, and you get to pay for it. Yay.
-Brady
Yay....great radio.

 

[96rocker]

Re: In Defense of Diamond Dave

It amazes me how highly-paid experienced broadcast managers like Joel Hollander can make totally illogical decisions like hiring David Lee Roth. Infinity had plenjty of time to find an established morning team with a built-in audience and a "shtick" already in place to replace Howard. I don't know whose contracts are expiring, but you try to find talent like Bob and Tom, John Boy and Billy, Terry and Lex, etc. They wouldn't be as good as Howard, but it would be light years ahead of DLR.

 

[adz]

Re: In Defense of Diamond Dave

> I don't
> know whose contracts are expiring, but you try to find
> talent like Bob and Tom...

Who have been in Indianpolis their entire careers..and whose act consists of laughing at comedians and plugging the B/T collection of overpriced albums..

John Boy and Billy...

Who can't play in most markets outside the NASCAR belt..a funny and sometimes well done show..but not always..

Terry and Lex..

Who again can't seem to break out of Jacksonville..a hilarious duo..I've heard their ''best of'' shows, and nearly fell down laughing..but a risk with little national exposure..

If Infinity had weathered the Opie and Anthony Saint Patrick's bit, had them apologize and put them back on the air, you would have had a ready made replacement..Howard wouldn't have made it easy for them, as he did for Adam and DLR..but could Rover be the guy who ends up, maybe 18 months from now, inheriting a large piece of the Stern Network?

I still think DLR is salvagable..but he needs a P-D who can work with him on a daily basis and smooth out the rough spots..I think it can be done..but only if everybody takes a deep breath..these things take time..

> >

 

[OldAkronite]

Re: In Defense of Diamond Dave

> If Infinity had weathered the Opie and Anthony Saint
> Patrick's bit, had them apologize and put them back on the
> air, you would have had a ready made replacement..Howard
> wouldn't have made it easy for them, as he did for Adam and
> DLR..but could Rover be the guy who ends up, maybe 18 months
> from now, inheriting a large piece of the Stern Network?

Remember, as I mentioned before, CBS Radio chief Joel Hollander himself likened this whole thing to a year to two year tryout for all the shows involved. And "the strongest survive". So, the company is ALREADY going in with that mindset.

If DLR's show falls apart, maybe Rover and Adam Carolla divy up the DLR stations. But I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the stations go local (like Boston and Philadelphia breaking off, for example).

However, we are in the first week of DLR's show. It was not all that good on Tuesday, from what I heard, and may or may not have improved. We are, however, nowhere NEAR answering the question of if it'll last. A book or two from now? Maybe. But CBS WILL try to "fix" the show.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>

 

[CWRUFan]

> Ummm...if this show is THAT bad, then why (or anyone else)
> wasting their time listening to it?

> Oh, that's right. So people can write about it on boards
> like Radio-info.

BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON FOR THE 18-40 MALE DEMO, GENIUS!
What else is there, Rover?

> Usually, most people, don't listen or watch things they
> don't care for. Unless your life is THAT boring that you
> have to put yourself through that.

There are no other options unless you have SatRadio.

 

[96rocker]

Re: In Defense of Diamond Dave

> > I don't
> > know whose contracts are expiring, but you try to find
> > talent like Bob and Tom...
>
> Who have been in Indianpolis their entire careers..and whose
> act consists of laughing at comedians and plugging the B/T
> collection of overpriced albums..
>
> John Boy and Billy...
>
> Who can't play in most markets outside the NASCAR belt..a
> funny and sometimes well done show..but not always..
>
> Terry and Lex..
>
> Who again can't seem to break out of Jacksonville..a
> hilarious duo..I've heard their ''best of'' shows, and
> nearly fell down laughing..but a risk with little national
> exposure..
>
> If Infinity had weathered the Opie and Anthony Saint
> Patrick's bit, had them apologize and put them back on the
> air, you would have had a ready made replacement..Howard
> wouldn't have made it easy for them, as he did for Adam and
> DLR..but could Rover be the guy who ends up, maybe 18 months
> from now, inheriting a large piece of the Stern Network?
>
> I still think DLR is salvagable..but he needs a P-D who can
> work with him on a daily basis and smooth out the rough
> spots..I think it can be done..but only if everybody takes a
> deep breath..these things take time..
>
> > >
>
So, you'd rather take a chance with DLR, who has no idea how to do a radio show, instead of an established team, who at least would have a shot at doing well?

It doesn't matter that Bob and Tom just laugh at comedians, they are successful with ratings an revenue. I don't get how you run them down, but think that Rover is any good. That show is pretty lame.

I really get a kick out of the "give it time to grow" crowd. If a show starts out halfway decent but needs fine-tuning, I agree that it needs time. But when a show comes out of the box flat and sloppy and boring, and is getting bashed, there is no way it will ever take off.