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Daylight saving times opinions

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midwestclubber

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So now that Indiana has been under DST for a little bit now.. How is everyone feeling about it staying daylight until 9.00 p.m in april... Unusual to say the least, do you realizes Indiana will have daylight until 10.00 P.M during the summer months. I think we are too far west, to be on eastern time. What do you think??? How does this affect radio stations that air Syndicated programs, picked up by satelite from other time zones?
 
In the summer, the sun rises in Indianapolis approximately 50 minutes after it rises in New York City. If the time zones are meant to divide the earth into 24 segments, each roughly equal to an hour's worth of rotation, then that seems just about right.

Unfortunately, that puts Indiana at the western edge of the Eastern time zone. However, the line of demarcation has to be somewhere and where it is now is probably very close to being the right spot. Moving it back to the Ohio line, for example would not allow for enough time/earth rotation to pass before moving into a new time zone. Actually, the line should probably run north and south through say Crawfordsville, putting the entire western third of the state in Central Time (that would correspond more closely with the time zone line in Michigan which runs up to the eastern shore of the lake.

If, only the Prime Meridian were moved from England to France (as the French originally demanded), it would solve everything.

As far as syndicated programs go, it should be easier. All of the major programs observe the change to DST in the spring and back to ST in the fall. You shouldn't have to do anything but make one click, if that.

I've always believed that this conversation should be rooted in the need to adopt a national standard for the purpose of regulating interstate commerce, based on the actual physics.
 
As was discussed before, the big pain for radio and TV is being the only one not to switch, adjusting satellite feed times, adjusting liners for satellite delivered stations, etc. Hoosiers saw TV on the same schedule as Mountain Time (don't tell me, friend in Chicago, who got voted off Survivor, Iit's just starting now). Sunset in April should be around 8:15..it really is kinda nice having the late daylight in the summer.

Putting Indiana on Central? I can't imagine anything more depressing than darkness at 4:30 in December.



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> As was discussed before, the big pain for radio and TV is
> being the only one not to switch, adjusting satellite feed
> times, adjusting liners for satellite delivered stations,
> etc. Hoosiers saw TV on the same schedule as Mountain Time
> (don't tell me, friend in Chicago, who got voted off
> Survivor, Iit's just starting now). Sunset in April should
> be around 8:15..it really is kinda nice having the late
> daylight in the summer.
>
> Putting Indiana on Central? I can't imagine anything more
> depressing than darkness at 4:30 in December.
>
. . . but it is light an hour earlier--kind of nice for us who work at 4:00 AM.
 
> Unfortunately, that puts Indiana at the western
> edge of the Eastern time zone. However, the line
> of demarcation has to be somewhere and where it is
> now is probably very close to being the right spot.
> Moving it back to the Ohio line, for example would
> not allow for enough time/earth rotation to pass
> before moving into a new time zone.

The dividing line between Eastern and Central time
should be 82.5 west longitude, which is just east
of CMH. The center of Central time is 90 degrees
and that is just west of BLV (Scott AFB, IL).

IND is 86 degrees and change, HUF is 87 and change,
so the OH/IN border is indeed closer to the "right
spot" than where the zone line actually is, since
I don't think OH wants to be in split time zones
as the last time they were was 1936.

This indicates (perhaps just to me and Jeff Sagarin)
that all of Indiana should be in the Central time
zone. Well, except maybe for those five pesky
renegade counties near CVG and SDF. IND at 86 degrees
is a lot farther (west) from the ET center of 75 than
it is (east) from the CT center of 90.

I believe it is four minutes per degree of longitude,
so to oversimplify, solar noon for IND is at 1244 EST,
1344 EDT, 1144 CST, 1244 CDT.

I will stipulate that IND would have winter sunsets
as early as 1620 CST, but also note that, thanks to
those wonderful Congressmen Upton and Markey and their
expando-matic DST beginning next year, IND will have
sunrises as late as 0819 EDT.


> If, only the Prime Meridian were moved from
> England to France (as the French originally
> demanded), it would solve everything.

Well, it's not going to be. (What, placate the
French? Surely you jest!) (Don't forget your
"don't call me Shirley" retort ;-) Even if it
was, Paris is only about two degrees longitude
east of London.
 
I lived in Vermont for a couple of years and it got dark at 4:30 in the winter. It was depressing.
 
> I lived in Vermont for a couple of years and it got dark at
> 4:30 in the winter. It was depressing.
>


So it gets dark at 5:30 instead. Big deal.
 
5:30 is still depressing, but at least one might be able to see a sliver of daylight when exiting the cubicle at 5.<P ID="signature">______________
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>
> This indicates (perhaps just to me and Jeff Sagarin)
> that all of Indiana should be in the Central time
> zone. Well, except maybe for those five pesky
> renegade counties near CVG and SDF. IND at 86 degrees
> is a lot farther (west) from the ET center of 75 than
> it is (east) from the CT center of 90.
>
> I believe it is four minutes per degree of longitude,
> so to oversimplify, solar noon for IND is at 1244 EST,
> 1344 EDT, 1144 CST, 1244 CDT.
>
> I will stipulate that IND would have winter sunsets
> as early as 1620 CST, but also note that, thanks to
> those wonderful Congressmen Upton and Markey and their
> expando-matic DST beginning next year, IND will have
> sunrises as late as 0819 EDT.
>
>

Putting most of Indiana on Central time would unify more of the state population (the exception being a few southern counties with small populations, as you pointed out). As it is, about 1/4 of the state population is in a different time zone. The people that could make an argument for staying Eastern are those primarily along the MI/OH borders.

I don't find the morning sunrise time a big deal. The fact is that more people are active and about at 9pm than at 4am, or even 5am for that matter. Even though I'm personally an early riser (3am here), I'd still prefer to have that hour of light shifted to the evening. I've never been busy doing yardwork at 4 or 5 in the morning.

The winter hours are a non-issue to me as well. There's only several hours of daylight at the winter solstice, and it's too cloudy in the winter to fuss about daylight to begin with. The people that it might impact are those who plan outdoor activities, and in the winter that's going to be based around what mother nature does, which doesn't conform to DST or time zones to begin with.
 
I vote for Central Time. Indiana would then be in the same time zone as the nation's best radio market, Chicago.

> 5:30 is still depressing, but at least one might be able to
> see a sliver of daylight when exiting the cubicle at 5.
>
 
> I vote for Central Time. Indiana would then be in the same
> time zone as the nation's best radio market, Chicago.
>
UM,, And when did Chicago become the nations best radio market?
 
> > I vote for Central Time. Indiana would then be in the
> same
> > time zone as the nation's best radio market, Chicago.
> >
> UM,, And when did Chicago become the nations best radio
> market?
>
I live in Gary, and it's in the Chicago market, and I don't find Chicago to be great at all for radio. I don't really know what market is great in my opinion, but it isn't Chicago. As for the state observing DST, I'll have to get used to South Bend, Lafayette, & Indianapolis always being an hour ahead of Gary. But I also have to get used to Starke County being in the Central time zone now, whereas I had to get used to that county being an hour ahead in the fall & winter, but be on the same time with Chicago during the Spring & Summer.
 
It gets dark in Illinois at 1630 in the winter and that is to earily and depressing. It would be my choice to have DST year round. Even though I work to 6 am 1 day a week most places are closed then. It is better having more daylight, even only 1 hour for afternoon traffic. When it gets dark at 1630 I go to less places.
 
> I vote for Central Time. Indiana would then be in the same
> time zone as the nation's best radio market, Chicago.
>>>>>
Move to Lake, Porter, LaPorte, Starke, Jasper, or Pulaski(which is petitioning the DOT to return to the Easter Time Zone) counties and you would be in CT in Indiana. It's got to drive radio people crazy trying to figure out which county is in what time zone in the state of Indiana.
>>>>
> > 5:30 is still depressing, but at least one might be able
> to
> > see a sliver of daylight when exiting the cubicle at 5.
>
>
 
Chicago Is the Best Market

Not sure if any of you have spent any significant time in LA or NY - but they are both wastelands. Chicago has a pulse and does some things unique and different. In that respect it is the best of the major markets.
 
> I HATE DST. Thanks to Mitch and Abdul over at WXNT.
>
Abdul had nothing to do with it; Dean Edell on WIBC from 2-6pm on Sundays has more listeners
 
> > > I vote for Central Time. Indiana would then be in the
> > same
> > > time zone as the nation's best radio market, Chicago.
> > >
> > UM,, And when did Chicago become the nations best radio
> > market?
> >
> I live in Gary, and it's in the Chicago market, and I don't
> find Chicago to be great at all for radio. I don't really
> know what market is great in my opinion, but it isn't
> Chicago. As for the state observing DST, I'll have to get
> used to South Bend, Lafayette, & Indianapolis always being
> an hour ahead of Gary. But I also have to get used to
> Starke County being in the Central time zone now, whereas I
> had to get used to that county being an hour ahead in the
> fall & winter, but be on the same time with Chicago during
> the Spring & Summer.
>>>>>
I grew up just outside of Gary. In the 60's, 70's, and 80's, I don't think you would have found a market better than Chicago radio. CFL and LS 'nough said. Lujack, Roberts, Biondi, Winston just to name a few of obvious greats--just great radio.

Today, I live in LaPorte County and listen to a lot of South Bend radio, because I work in South Bend. Dixon in the morning on 95.3 is very entertaining.
 
> Sounds like a party opportive from the old WIFE days....Getting political with an issue that is not Dem or Rep based... As a Hoosier, most of my life, I am glad we don't need to explain to our relatives visiting our former messed up agrarian time system based on WWII industry and farming.... I either want to be on with Indy all year or behind them an hour all year.... Geez? When O'Bannon was Gov. they suggested the same thing and the opposing order of this day thought it and I-69 should be done, pronto...But, get another Gov. from the other party in, EVERY thing is 'bad and moot'....Crap....Let us in southern Indiana be a part of Indiana...You do not spell southern Indiana K-E-N-T-U-C-K-Y or northwest Indiana C-H-I-C-A-G-O....But when it comes to time zones, the 11 southwest counties in Indiana finally give our 40 county ADI (from three States)
a consistant clock to go on... Now I don't have to take off work in the mid afternoon to drive forty miles to referee a JV Basketball game, because of the time change.....And if Bloomington doesn't like an Interstate coming to their city limits, FINE.. They already have one of the worst urban transportation sprawls growing like a fugus on the west end of Monroe County and traffic signals in the middle of their FOUR to SIX LANE expressway called US 37....We'd be glad to end the toll at B'ton and drive free up the access four lane of 37 or a new plot of I-69 just to the northwest along the White River.... At 70 mph we can save 30 to 45 minutes off our four lane access at 50 to 55 up US-41 with traffic lights and Mall traffic at Terre Haute and the heavy travelled I-70 run toward the airport...Right now, Evansville is only 2:30 to the main metro area of Nashville...2:45 from the Arch in St. Louis...1:45 to downtown Louisville and 3:15 to the riverfront in Cincy.....That beats 3:20 to the Capitol in downtown Indy...After 2 hours on the road, thirty minutes DOES help the fuel and driving process... Or we can opt to succeed with western Kentucky and southern Illiois and form the State of LINCOLNLAND.....Sometimes we feel like the folks in San Jaun, PR.....Just a territory to be picked on.... Funny? When we wanted Indiana State/Evansville to be independent from ISU, they said we'd never get more than four thousand students and most of us were three toothed and in overalls, anyway....We'll guess what? The University of Southern Indiana has passed ISU in enrollment and is one of the two fastest growing State Universities in the Midwest.....Strawberrys up the road to those who consider us second class citizen status in the Hoosier State...
 
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