The TIS in New Jersey was authorized temporarily to broadcast at 100 watts, and may still be doing so.
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Daytime music on 1710 am
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That is only 1/10th of the nighttime power of WTTM, 1680 kHz, in New Jersey. As shown here earlier today, even with 1000 watts WTTM cannot produce a listenable nightime signal strength anywhere in Iowa. And the distance to their 100 uV/m daytime groundwave signal when using 10,000 watts is less than it is to their skywave signal, at night.
A 100 watt station on 1710 kHz in New Jersey is not going reach even THAT performance level, day and/or night.
Has this one already been considered? AM 1710 Antioch live - Listen to online radio and AM 1710 Antioch podcast
The FCC might consider it. Consider it illegal, that is. OK on 1700, not on 1710.
@ David E :
It was one overnight/Monday morning in the Sixties back in Queens, me with a 6-tube Zenith barbershop model, listening to a music station on 830.
It was very, very faint.
There was no nitghttime thing in the logbook except WCCO and KIKI. The station certainy wasn't WCCO.
KIKI at the time was listed in the NRC log as 10000 omni, full-time. But the reception was from so long back that an earlier station logbook had KIKI at 250 omni.
I never 'counted' the station on my own 'heard' list because of a legitimate and convincing statement from a great pal from four blocks west of me.
He had an American-Bosch and a garage-mounted loop antenna. No way I could dispute his logic.
'If *I* never heard it, that means YOU couldn't've heard it, either.'
It was one overnight/Monday morning in the Sixties back in Queens, me with a 6-tube Zenith barbershop model, listening to a music station on 830.
It was very, very faint.
There was no nitghttime thing in the logbook except WCCO and KIKI. The station certainy wasn't WCCO.
KIKI at the time was listed in the NRC log as 10000 omni, full-time. But the reception was from so long back that an earlier station logbook had KIKI at 250 omni.
I never 'counted' the station on my own 'heard' list because of a legitimate and convincing statement from a great pal from four blocks west of me.
He had an American-Bosch and a garage-mounted loop antenna. No way I could dispute his logic.
'If *I* never heard it, that means YOU couldn't've heard it, either.'
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Rich,
This NJ station was not hard to hear south of Chicago before the expanded band became congested. I heard it many times. A friend heard it in California as well.
This has all been interesting - dozens of posts about what's on 1710 in the nighttime. Lot of info there.
But, considering the title of this thread, the daytime music HAS to be very local, and "somewhere in east Iowa" doesn't help.
Back in 1979, a station in Dallas, GA (close to Atlanta) signed on at 1500 AM, and there was talk about interference because 1500 was a harmonic of 750 (WSB). So, people from both stations monitored closely and found no interference. No problem.
Anyway, curiosity drove me to check out any harmonics of 1700, so I looked up the stations in Cedar Rapids to see if there was a possible station close to 855. I found a station in Iowa City at 800.
Then, I found one at 1600. Well, that blew that. Back to square one...
But, considering the title of this thread, the daytime music HAS to be very local, and "somewhere in east Iowa" doesn't help.
Back in 1979, a station in Dallas, GA (close to Atlanta) signed on at 1500 AM, and there was talk about interference because 1500 was a harmonic of 750 (WSB). So, people from both stations monitored closely and found no interference. No problem.
Anyway, curiosity drove me to check out any harmonics of 1700, so I looked up the stations in Cedar Rapids to see if there was a possible station close to 855. I found a station in Iowa City at 800.
Then, I found one at 1600. Well, that blew that. Back to square one...
I've spent a lot of time in that part of the world, and one of my sons and my daughter both went to school at the University of Iowa in Iowa City. Iowa City and Cedar Rapids are about eighteen miles apart. KXIC 800 and KGYM 1600 have good signals in both cities. And no signal issues with each other.Anyway, curiosity drove me to check out any harmonics of 1700, so I looked up the stations in Cedar Rapids to see if there was a possible station close to 855. I found a station in Iowa City at 800.
Then, I found one at 1600. Well, that blew that. Back to square one...
OTOH, Where I live in Crystal Lake, Illinois, we used to have a local on 850, which for as long as I can remember had a harmonic on 1700.
Oh, really? You actually think that KTBI is an insurrectionist type station? I hear it periodically in the mornings when KGO fades out, and sometimes during other parts of the day. All I hear is the usual radio preachers you hear on any other Christian station: Chuck Swindoll, Charles Stanley, Greg Laurie, Jack Hibbs, etc.
I would think that if anyone overthrew the government AM stations would be the last thing they'd concentrate on using to get whatever message out. They'd probably shutdown Twitter and other big media.
They also wouldn't succeed. Taking over DC is one thing. Taking over California, Texas, Illinois, Massachusetts, etc. is another thing.
No, it has not. There are no calls for armed attacks. Saying "got to war" means, in U.S. talk radio, not to give in, to hold one's political ground and to speak out. It's a metaphor: "a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”
Good example of a metaphor.
A well used metaphor that never is taken literally.
A belief that people are free to hold, even if inaccurate.
No, I have been in the US for an almost totally unarmed protest. The burnings of areas in Louisville, Minneapolis, Portland, Chicago, Milwaukee, Seattle and others were far more violent and there were 1000% more guns and rifles fired in those than in the U.S. Capitol protest demonstration.
Nearly none were armed and none were trying to take over the government.
Unproven and not relevant to whether there was an actual attempt to stage a coup d'etat.
Yes, it does (and I will show you 7 of them in the last two years in a moment). An armed group, usually supported by all or a faction of the military, takes over all armed force facilities such as air bases, military bases, police stations and national guard stations. They then, using armed vehicles, planes and the like, surround the seats of power such as the legislature, the president's residence and key ministries and a leader or group of leaders issues a proclamation.
None of that was done last year in the US.
A news story from Vox from February of this year:
"Over the past 18 months, there have been seven coups and coup attempts in African nations. In Burkina Faso, Chad, Guinea, Mali, and Sudan, military leaders succeeded in seizing power; in Niger and, most recently, in Guinea-Bissau, they failed."
How to understand the recent coups in Africa
Calling African coups contagious is the wrong way to think about it.
www.vox.com
In fact, in recent and even distant memory there are no incidents of a succesful coup d'etat done by unarmed civilians. Government overthrows are done by armed forces and begin by taking over military bases, airports, armories, ports and the like.
Unlikely, yes. That is what AM DXers sit around trying to find. Just as in the 40's Eastern US DXers heard 100 watt stations from Oceania and New Zealand and DXers in New Zealand heard some of the few 100 watt Class IV US stations in all the way to the South Pacific.
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I'm no closer to having an answer about this station. But a few things:
1. I live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. I have heard this station in and around Cedar Rapids. (Are we ok now?)
2. I hear this station on my car radio.
3. I have not tested the signal very far outside the city (less than 30 miles), because I have not been driving very far outside the city.
4. I think we can rule out "obvious" harmonics, like KXIC 800 and KGYM 1600. It is not either of those. What's more, this is not a typical licensed AM signal because
5. no announcers, no ads. No station ID.
6. I sometimes hear choral music; sometimes "oldies" hits from the 60s and 70s (think surf music and the like); and the very very easy listening stuff I described rather whimsically above.
7. There is nothing about this operation whatsoever that suggests any kind of subversive activity -- nothing, not at all -- so let's put that aside. That was just me being silly, but we're done with that now. I've learned my lesson about joking about such matters in these rather nervous times. I consider this signal as just a curiosity, and my initial post was just to find out if anyone had any ideas. It's not a cause for concern. If anything, it's a conspiracy to put people to sleep.
8. This is NOT a TIS station. Again, all music, no talk.
I do wonder about the station in Antioch, IL. I've tried listening to that station's internet stream (apparently one was set up at some point) but I can't make it work. But it does seem like that is a possibility if that station is basically a pirate. If I make a trip to the Chicago area, you'll be the first to know. But it sounds like somebody's pet project somewhere in the state of Iowa, I'm just no closer to finding out where.
1. I live in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. I have heard this station in and around Cedar Rapids. (Are we ok now?)
2. I hear this station on my car radio.
3. I have not tested the signal very far outside the city (less than 30 miles), because I have not been driving very far outside the city.
4. I think we can rule out "obvious" harmonics, like KXIC 800 and KGYM 1600. It is not either of those. What's more, this is not a typical licensed AM signal because
5. no announcers, no ads. No station ID.
6. I sometimes hear choral music; sometimes "oldies" hits from the 60s and 70s (think surf music and the like); and the very very easy listening stuff I described rather whimsically above.
7. There is nothing about this operation whatsoever that suggests any kind of subversive activity -- nothing, not at all -- so let's put that aside. That was just me being silly, but we're done with that now. I've learned my lesson about joking about such matters in these rather nervous times. I consider this signal as just a curiosity, and my initial post was just to find out if anyone had any ideas. It's not a cause for concern. If anything, it's a conspiracy to put people to sleep.
8. This is NOT a TIS station. Again, all music, no talk.
I do wonder about the station in Antioch, IL. I've tried listening to that station's internet stream (apparently one was set up at some point) but I can't make it work. But it does seem like that is a possibility if that station is basically a pirate. If I make a trip to the Chicago area, you'll be the first to know. But it sounds like somebody's pet project somewhere in the state of Iowa, I'm just no closer to finding out where.
It's not the Antioch station. Here is their schedule. I'm not hearing anything like what's described here. https://radio.macinmind.com/
This sounds almost like some kind of automated station. I'm reminded of WPCI in Greenville SC:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPCI
I still have it in my mind that this may have something to do with the Maharishi organization in Fairfield.
If this 1710 kHz station can be heard cleary and reliably on a conventional AM receiver "in and around Cedar Rapids" (Iowa) from ~9 am to ~3 pm in the daytime, its transmit site would need to be located in/near Cedar Rapids, itself.
To locate that site geographically you might try using a battery-powered, Walkman-type portable radio that has an internal loopstick antenna in it. Such antennas have two, deep, directional nulls 180° of the compass bearing apart. To learn the physical orientation of the reception nulls of your portable radio, "calibrate yourself" by using it and the process below to determine that, when tuned to a licensed, nearby broadcast station whose physical site location already is known.
1. Try to find a receiver location where by rotating it around its vertical axis, you can hear a distinct increase in the noise on the 1710 kHz station from that receiver. Identify the compass direction where it is most noisy, and draw a line along that compass angle on a map of your area.
2. Move the receiver several miles away in a compass direction about 90° different than you found in step 1, and repeat that measurement. On your map draw a second line along the compass angle of this second measurement.
3. The 1710 kHz station transmit site is located at or near to where the two lines cross on the map.
NOTE: This procedure can be tricky to use. If you have a local club of ham radio operators you may be able to get help from them in answering your questions, or even doing this project themselves.
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I've been avidly lurking on this thread, and the only comment I have is this.... For the most part for me, 1710 has been coming up blank. However, a couple times, I did detect a very weak signal. Almost certainly music, but too weak to identify whatever type it might be. It's absent more often than present. I won't hazard any guesses, but I will keep checking from time to time, and if I can ascertain anything, I'll post it.
How does that work? I ask in all ignorance. Never heard of it before.
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