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Daytimer KBRT 740 AM is still on the air tonight

Re then-KDAY 1580 Santa Monica...

DavidEduardo said:
In 1970 it was listed as 50 kw day, 10 kw night. In 1965, it was listed as a 50 kw daytimer...(snip)...
By 1975 (Broadcasting Yearbook) it was 50 kw fulltime...

I have a 'check from July 1968 of the 7:54:30 PT ABC/C news (anchored by
Scott Shurian, IIRC) followed by KDAY jock Nathan Roberts signing off the
station at 8:00pm.


Speaking of the 1975 Broadcasting Yearbook...

Under KRUX Glendale it has some guy whom I've never heard of as Ops Manager. ;)

And the KRUX PD is listed as Geoffrey Fox--would this be Geoff Fox, earlier with
WGAR Cleveland and now a long-time weather guy at WTNH-TV New Haven?
 
oldiesfan6479 said:
I have a 'check from July 1968 of the 7:54:30 PT ABC/C news (anchored by
Scott Shurian, IIRC) followed by KDAY jock Nathan Roberts signing off the
station at 8:00pm.

So the upgrade must have happened sometime in 1975, as the yearbooks come out early each year.

Under KRUX Glendale it has some guy whom I've never heard of as Ops Manager. ;)

That was after the fact. In very early 1975, I was recruited by a headhunter to go manage WJIT AM and FM in Puerto Rico. How ever did you find that!

And the KRUX PD is listed as Geoffrey Fox--would this be Geoff Fox, earlier with
WGAR Cleveland and now a long-time weather guy at WTNH-TV New Haven?

That is the same person!
 
Sam Lit said:
David,

I know KDAY (KMPC) is 50 kW at night now, but when I was in LA in the late 70's they we're just a silly 'ol 50kW daytimer (playing rap as I recall. And 1kw graveyard 1230/KGFJ was kicking their butt with Frankie Crocker programming). When did they get nights?

Incidentally, light rumor has it that 1210's 50kW signal is so exceptionally bad because their ground system was sold as scrap to pay the bill's during the CBS free FM debacle.

Sam:

In the "Late 70's", the only "rap" group was the Sugarhill Gang. Must have been a boring radio station...
 
Will you allow me to throw a monkey wrench into the works here?

I remember listening to KDAY 1580 late nights from Klamath Falls, Oregon in 1970. The late B. Bailey Brown was the air talent "doubling the hits for all of Southern California" when I was listening!
 
I was living in Mar Vista between last 1968 and late 1974. KDAY was a top 40 station part of the time, and thier transmitter was located near Sepulveda and Palms. Somewhere in the early 70's they began broadcasting at night. At the time I believe they were owned by Rollins, and I remember either reading or talking to someone at the station who told me that Rollins purchased a station in Mexico at the 1580 frequency and either took it off the air at night or changed thier signal in a way that KDAY could broadcast 24 hours a day. I remembering listening the night that they made the switch.
 
Ron said:
I was living in Mar Vista between last 1968 and late 1974. KDAY was a
top 40 station part of the time, and thier transmitter was located near
Sepulveda and Palms.

Do you mean the Palms District, or (near) the actual intersection of
Sepulveda and Palms? Two current or past XMTR sites which are
somewhat in that area come to mind.

One was/is KHJ 930, two towers at (actually behind) 5901 Venice.

The other probably existed only into the 1950s and was the KFVD
1020 site in the 9XXX block of Cattaraugus. As 1020 was L-KDKA
then, this site was probably a single stick.

As for KDAY 1580, the best-known site for it was 1700 N. Alvarado,
off of Glendale Blvd. northwest of Dodger Stadium. There have been
six sticks up on that hill since 1580 went 24 hours.

While the daytimer KDAY site could have been elsewhere, I seem to
recall from a 1968 aircheck noted in an earlier post that the signoff
announcement included a mention of studio/XMTR being on Alvarado.
Daytimer KDAY may have started with a single stick there, adding
five others for the later DA-N operation.
 
KDAY was in West LA until the late '60s-then they moved to Alvarado. They had two towers near Palms and Sepulveda.
 
Ron said:
I remember either reading or talking to someone at the station who told me that Rollins purchased a station in Mexico at the 1580 frequency and either took it off the air at night or changed thier signal in a way that KDAY could broadcast 24 hours a day. I remembering listening the night that they made the switch.

XEDM in Hemosillo, Sonora, Mexico was unchanged by the night operation of KDAY. In fact, there are several reasons why it could not be changed in that era, the first of which is taht 1580 is was desgnated a Canadian and Mexican clear channel irrespective of where the occupant is licensed. Second, at the time only a Mexican born citizen of Mexico could own a station (althhough this rule was violated in Spirit by richard Eaton's proxy ownership of XERF and XESM in the 60's and 70's)

Changes in NARBA and things like the 200 mile agreement on border licences may habe been what allowed 1580 to go to nights... remember that the late 60's and the 70's were when the FCC began duplicating facilities on the 1-A clears and allowing more liberal use of full Mexican clears like 900 and 540 and 1570.
 
Peter Q. George (K1XRB) said:
DavidEduardo said:
SuperRadioFan said:
Really?! Yes, I was thinking of giving them a call, their TOTH ID was definitely automated

Yep, most stations do care about complying with the "terms of the license" and would be happy to hear about what is likely a malfunction. Check for an e-mail link on their website if they have one.

On the other hand, I recall calling KNIX 1580 in Tempe (Phoenix metro) around 1973 when they kept the daytime AM transmitter on several hours after sunset. I got the DJ who was on the air, told him the AM was still on the air and got a "so?" reply. Upon mentioning that this was a violation of FCC rules, he said, "so you are one of those!" at which point I said I would call the FCC instead.

Less than 15 seconds later, the AM was off.

I wish there was an FCC for neighbors with barking dogs.

Was Buck Owens the owner of KNIX-AM/FM back in 1973? If so, I'm sure he would have never allowed such an event to occur on purpose. One thing about Buck Owens, he was well known to be a stickler for keeping his operations totally within FCC specs. What happened that night was probably a fluke or a stupid operator (or a combination of both). I hope it didn't happen again.
If I had a dollar for every "stupid operator" I ever worked with, I could have bought a station by now. ;)
 
I do recall in the mid-1980s when Post Sunset Authority transmitter powers were assigned on the Canadian Clear Channels. I too lived in Anaheim then till 1986, and KBRT-740 tried out their low post-sunset power, but they did not stay on after sunset very long due to the inability to compete with the super-strong signal of KCBS on 740. So, KBRT went back to being a daytimer. I was quite surprised to learn that they had stayed on past dark last night with their full-power!

By the way, we have a semi-famous station here, KRML-1410 khz. in Carmel that had been a 500-watt daytimer. But for many years, they've been allowed on past sunset, supposedly with low power, but I suspect they've been running their full 500 watts at night illegally for a long long time, and nobody seems to care. Their audio also sounds horrible most of the time.

Jim Hilliker
Monterey, CA
 
Jim Hilliker said:
By the way, we have a semi-famous station here, KRML-1410 khz. in Carmel that had been a 500-watt daytimer. But for many years, they've been allowed on past sunset, supposedly with low power, but I suspect they've been running their full 500 watts at night illegally for a long long time, and nobody seems to care. Their audio also sounds horrible most of the time.

Jim Hilliker
Monterey, CA

So someone has noticed! Thanks Jim! I've been hearing KRML over here in Fresno for a couple years, or more, after sunset. 16 watts PSSA?!?! And I have KERN with 1,000 watts non-directional an equal distance from me here. Sometimes the audio is fine on KRML, other times it sounds like an old 8-track tape with an octagonal pinch roller. The "underwater" sound makes me think the "the big one" has taken the central coast down-under.
At least, when I listen to KPIG-AM 1510 after dark, I'm pretty sure they really are running @250w directional away from me, and still making it over KGA.

Mo
Fresno
 
Mark Andrews said:
Will you allow me to throw a monkey wrench into the works here?

I remember listening to KDAY 1580 late nights from Klamath Falls, Oregon in 1970. The late B. Bailey Brown was the air talent "doubling the hits for all of Southern California" when I was listening!

...and Wolfman Jack did the evening shift at KDAY after XERB/XEPRS cut him loose in '72 (although XEPRS would continue to run his old tapes for another eight years)...
 
SuperRadioFan:

I see you know the movie that included some scenes that were filmed in the evening at the old KRML studios, after they went off the air, with Mr. Clint Eastwood playing the jazz DJ. That was a long time ago, the film was made when I was in high school.

Mo: Glad you noticed about KRML getting out with 500 watts, although illegally at night with that power level.
My friend in the Lancaster area used to hear them easily several years ago, when KRML was simulcasting overnights the old KLON/fm jazz station in Long Beach, now KJZZ. I used to be able to hear KERN and others at night before KRML stayed on all night. By the way, KERN goes way back to 1932, same call letters. The station had been KSMR in Santa Maria between 1925-1931, until it was sold and moved to Bakersfield as KERN.

I too recall hearing Wolfman Jack evenings on KDAY-1580 around 1971-73 while I was in high school, which is where Gary Lucas went to talk to him in '72 about being in his film, "American Graffitti", and the rest is history.
Wolfman wrote about this in detail, plus his years at XERB (XEPRS from 1971 onward), XERF-1570 and more in his 1995 autobiography, which I highly recommend.

Jim
 
Ultimajock said:
...and Wolfman Jack did the evening shift at KDAY after XERB/XEPRS cut him loose in '72 (although XEPRS would continue to run his old tapes for another eight years)...

On April 14, 1975, Teddy Fregoso, who had rented out the 5 AM to 5 PM time slot on XEPRS, began Spanish programming on 1090. while the evenings and overnight were still in English. About two years later, Fregoso rented the nights, too, from Teófilo Bichara and Ing. Jorge Wilkins, the concessionaires of the frequency.

(Information provided by Mr. Fregoso and Amalia González who did mid-days and traffic on XEPRS prior to going to KTNQ and who is now PD of the Recuerdo FM network based at KRCD in LA.
 
Thanks for the info. David....I recall on long night-time drives in the 1973-79 period, I seem to recall hearing a lot of oldies music on Express-10-90 played by folks like Huggy Boy and Art Laboe after midnight, where they also sold a lot of oldies albums through their commercials.

Jim
 
Can't be sure of the exact date KDAY went full-time, but it was somewhere around 1971.

I was weekending while going to UCLA and working afternoons for an early programming consultant, Ted Randal. Art Astor had moved from sales manager at KHJ to the GM chair at daytimer KDAY. Bob Wilson (founder of R&R) had come down from the San Joaquin Valley. They were still running a quasi-Top 40 format.

The 50kw transmitter was near Santa Monica, but in the City of Los Angeles. Studios had moved to 1700 North Alvarado a bit before that, with the six towers already constructed, and a new 50kw xmtr was in place, waiting for the fulltime go-ahead from the Commission.

I was at work at Randal's when I got a call from Bob Wilson. The FCC had just authorized fulltime 50kw from the Alvardo site. Could I come in at 7 pm, to make the transition to night operation. (It happened around 8pm, so it had to be in the summer.) I was playing the soft rock, and at normal night sign-off, I said "KDAY now becomes K-Night."

The 50kw operation from Alvarado did not last long. Tremendous induction into the old PacBell Normandy exchange office. FCC got involved. KDAY then had to go back to the "Santa Monica" site for daytime 50kw operation, with nights coming from the Alvarado site at 10kw.

Ultimately, Rollins decided the two xmtr site operation was not financially viable, so the 50kw "Santa Monica" xmtr was shut down, and all transmission was moved to Alvarado at 10kw. For what seemed an eternity, with apparently Rollins footing the bill, shielding was accomplished by the phone company at their CO, and we were able to return to 50kw.

Art and Bob then introduced what would become a very formatted "AOR." which did very well for a while until fm--primarily KLOS at that point--began to gain an audience, and pushed KDA's numbers down, down, down.

With the new format and full power, Art and Bob convinced me to leave Randal's and take the morning drive run at KDAY.

Many tales about that version of KDAY. My first newsman in the morning was Steve Fredericks, who had done a lot of cartoon storylines for Playboy. When Steve left, he was followed by the brilliant Loui Irwin. Nathan Roberts did mid-days. He eventually landed at Channel 2, doing news -- eventually ending up in Washington DC. Sam Riddle did afternoons before segueing to television production ("Star Search," etc.) B. Bailey Brown was the night-time time jock. Several jocks held down the overnight, including the ubiquitous John Darin.

Eventually, Wolfman came on board. Until he got the gig in New York on NBC's midnight special, he did his 7pm-Midnight gig live from Alvarado. (Lots of tales to be told about that era, but I shall demur until i write my autobiography!) When he moved to the Big Apple, he did his show on tape for KDAY.

We did very well for a while, until the aforementioned discovery of fm by the audience led to a significant slip in Arbitron.

Meanwhile, Rollins was moving its properties into the "R&B" format. As the numbers slipped at KDAY, corporate in Atlanta decided it was time to change the format. The staff was called into the conference room where a suit from the home office explained the format change and reassured the troops that most of their jobs were secure.

(I was offered the PD's job at their Wilmington, Delaware property. No thanks! LA for me!

Leaving that meeting, the suit walked down the hall with me to my office. From his inner jacket pocket, he pulled out a folded piece of paper, handed it to me, and said "Fire these bast*rds." Less than five minutes after telling the staff most jobs were safe, he gave me a list of more than thirty people who were out of a job by the end of that day.

His explanation to me for the change: In his southern drawl, he said "We know how to make money with this nig*er format!"

Enough said.
 
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