Death Tied to Entercom's The End 107.9?

[millhouse]

Dude, the DJs and promotions people are responsible for another human beings death. Nothing changes that. These people are gonna have that on their souls for the rest of their lives and when they're burning in hell for killing another human being.


Yes, they will suffer. Poor, idiot DJ's. But for you to say they'll burn in hell, err Hell, means you're implying that they meant to kill. Ever been in a car crash where you were ticketed? You just got lucky babe is all. Don't judge you simpleton. They made a HUGE mistake but is without malicious intent. This is a sad occurence but you condemn them to Hell?

 

[Radio-X]

Dude, the DJs and promotions people are responsible for another human beings death. Nothing changes that. These people are gonna have that on their souls for the rest of their lives and when they're burning in hell for killing another human being.

OK...I'm not saying that this contest was brilliant. Not only no, but hell no.

And no, those DJ's and promotions people are not responsible for her death. This young lady is responsible for her own death. SHE chose to participate in a possibly dangerous contest, SHE drank the water, and SHE didn't call 9-1-1 when she felt ill.

Blaming the DJ's and promotions people for her death is like blaming a car manufacturer for a death by speeding. Sure, they provided the car, but did the person have to drive poorly? NO. THEY chose to drive too fast, THEY chose to ignore speed limits and their car's handling at high speeds.

Will those jocks have this weigh on them for the rest of their lives? YES. Will this change the way radio contests are run? YES.

And bro, what happened to the old Christian doctorine of forgivness? Burning in Hell? Damn...Sounds like a god I'd rather not deal with.

Peace...

Radio-X

 

[Dave]

Who else sees the inspiration for a future "CSI" (or "Law & Order") episode in the making?

 

[Jim Beam]

Who else sees the inspiration for a future "CSI" (or "Law & Order") episode in the making?

I hate you. I thought about that the other day.....Damn you and your quicker thoughts.

 

[Chris_Rose]

THEY KNEW THE RISK!!!

The following exchange is a verbatim transcript between the "Morning Rave" hosts, obtained by the sacbee:

"Can't you get water poisoning and, like, die?" asked another host.

"Your body is 98 percent water," a co-host responded. "Why can't you take in as much water as you want?"

Someone in the background was heard asking about "that poor kid in college," apparently referring to Matthew Carrington, who died in 2005 after an all-night fraternity hazing.

"That's what I was thinking," a host responded.

"Yeah, well, he was doing other things," someone else said.

About two hours into the contest, a woman who identified herself as Eva called the show. She warned the hosts that "those people that are drinking all that water can get sick and possibly die from water intoxication."

One host replied that "we're aware of that." Another said the contestants had signed releases, "so we're not responsible."

"And if they get to the point where they have to throw up, then they're going to throw up and they're out of the contest before they die, so that's good, right?" one host said. One of the hosts then asked a DJ stationed in the kitchen with the contestants, "Is anybody dying in there?"

"We got a guy who's just about to die," he said.

"Make sure he signs the release," the host replied.

Source: http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/109112.html

PERSONAL RESPONSE: This should be investigated as a CRIME. These people should do jail time.

 

[nhradiochild]

Everyone needs to take a friggin' step back for a second.

Nobody could've possibly predicted that someone could possibly die from WATER!!!!

Are you kidding me? What planet are you from? Maybe it's because I'm in the military that I know about this, but any pothead that has a urine test and wants to flush as much out of their system as quickly as possible knows that it's painful and that's with going to the bathroom whenever necessary.

In the Army there was a time when they thought about making soldiers continue to drink water without regard, but have scaled back from that because they know the risks and have very specific charts about how much water one should consume in an hour given certain weather conditions, uniform adjustments and exercise or intense work.

Additionally, anybody with half a brain knows that what goes in, must come out. If you must force urine out of someone, 1/2 gallon within a half an hour is all it takes, then you just sit and wait. It's not a wonderful idea (I can't tell you how many times I've stood in line waiting for my turn at the urinal during a piss test) but after a certain point it doesn't matter if you drink more water or not. Or even further still, a little trick is to have them jog in place if you can't make 'em pee just by standing there. Eventually they will break down. But don't suggest to them to consume quart after quart of water. That's lunacy.

Yes, these folks are in for it. The station's ignorance will cost them dearly.

 

[sacriver]

Disturbing.

Here's the audio:

http://www.sacbee.com/static/newsroom/kdndslides/

Sadly, they were trying to make it into a joke. Not saying that any other morning show would act the same if someone calls in and berates the contest.

"It looks like I'm Pregnant again" Strange said.

She sounds like a really nice girl too.

Kind of an abysmal morning show to begin with, too bad someone had to die to get them off the air.

 

[Chris_Rose]

Where is David Field on all this?

David Field is completely distancing himself from this. He is the CEO of Entercom. He needs to come forward and say something. One of HIS radio stations was so out of control it resulted in a listener being killed. He owes the community and the industry an explanation.

 

[JohnnyPancakes]

Sacramento jocks fired after contest goes awry

http://cbs13.com/topstories/local_story_016093304.html

http://cbs13.com/topstories/local_story_017093935.html

http://cbs13.com/local/local_story_015190743.html

These links are from KOVR-TV's website. All of the stories are related to each other.

Jocks from 107.9 The End were fired after a woman dies from drinking too much water, as part of a station contest to win a Nintendo gaming console. The jocks claimed they weren't responsible for the death. Staff from the radio station refused to answer phone calls from KOVR-TV.

(Sorry for the double post. I also posted this on the generic California board. I wasn't sure which board it belonged on. Moderators: Please do not remove both threads. This thread is newsworthy and is exposing stupidity by jocks who think they're "hood" and "gangsta.")

[NOTE: in the interest of staying on topic, direct future discourse with moderation/management to http://www.radio-info.com/contact_us.php ]

 

[Kelly]

Re: Latest Radio Promotion Gone Bad

So how much is a human life worth? A few jobs?? Please! There is going to be far more to pay for this. Right or wrong for participating, the entrants trusted the station NOT to put them in harms way.

From what I understand, the woman who died was trying to win the Wii for her child because she couldn't afford to buy one. There were others who suffered bad effects from drinking too much water as well.

In my view, firing the entire morning show and promotions department is a small price to start with. In my view, the Market GM should also get the ax for hiring stupid people. Besides, just as you-know-what flows downhill, it should fly up in this instance too.

 

[KevinFodor]

Re: Sacramento jocks fired after contest goes awry

I wouldn't know about the "hood" and "gansta" assertions....

But, I do agree this story reeks of some pretty serious issues.

Why? As I posted on the California board and the Sacremento board, water intoxication is a lot more
common than people think. Most medical professionals will tell you they deal with it on an almost daily basis,
quite often from exercise fanatics who drink too much water during exercise. I was amazed that someone on these boards responded to me by saying, "Back off a minute. Who in the hell would ever have thought you could die by drinking too much water?" The law would answer: ignorance is no excuse.

Any good broadcast lawyer would advise that anytime a stunt or contest involves pushing a person's physical limits, there are BIG potential health issues that could lead to trouble. Such an attorney would strongly advise against any of such stunt or contest.

Radio stations stopped doing scavenger hunts for much the same reason. City parks always got dug up by
unthinking listeners. Some listeners would put themselves in harm's way trying to "locate" the next item in the hunt, and people got hurt, even killed.

The FCC's rules on contesting say you cannot place a listener in jeopardy when conducting a contest. That was clearly violated here.

But, sadly, the statement from the G.M. that they fired people will not resolve the station from potential liability. And, I would hope those involved with the stunt are using their time now to find attorneys themselves. They may need them.

 

[dbdigital]

Dude, the DJs and promotions people are responsible for another human beings death. Nothing changes that. These people are gonna have that on their souls for the rest of their lives and when they're burning in hell for killing another human being.

OK...I'm not saying that this contest was brilliant. Not only no, but hell no.

And no, those DJ's and promotions people are not responsible for her death. This young lady is responsible for her own death. SHE chose to participate in a possibly dangerous contest, SHE drank the water, and SHE didn't call 9-1-1 when she felt ill.

Blaming the DJ's and promotions people for her death is like blaming a car manufacturer for a death by speeding. Sure, they provided the car, but did the person have to drive poorly? NO. THEY chose to drive too fast, THEY chose to ignore speed limits and their car's handling at high speeds.

Will those jocks have this weigh on them for the rest of their lives? YES. Will this change the way radio contests are run? YES.

And bro, what happened to the old Christian doctorine of forgivness? Burning in Hell? Damn...Sounds like a god I'd rather not deal with.

Peace...

Radio-X

And conversely, no car manufacturer would be stupid enough to encourage motorists who use their cars to drive recklessly with them and at insane speeds. To do so would make them complicit in a motorist's bad behavior. This is exactly what's happened here. True, the woman was free to refrain from competing in this promotion but the fact that the station offered it and encouraged listeners to participate (despite warnings, apparently, that such a stunt is dangerous) makes KDND complicit in the tragic outcome.

That Entercom fired the show's support staff, including the "genius" who thought up this promotion, shows that the company realizes its culpability.

And although Entercom has issued a statement of condolence to the family, if I were them, I'd say: 'Save it. We'll see you in court' (although I think Entercom will settle before it hits that phase).

db

 

[HOWIEBURGER]

I hope those jock's never work again and the family get's a ton of cash. It's sad that those 3 kid's lost a mother. Has radio really come to this???

 

[Stage5Clinger]

the woman was free to refrain from competing in this promotion but the fact that the station offered it and encouraged listeners to participate (despite warnings, apparently, that such a stunt is dangerous) makes KDND complicit in the tragic outcome.

That Entercom fired the show's support staff, including the "genius" who thought up this promotion, shows that the company realizes its culpability.

Well said. I still think the legal department, or the paralegal that signed off on this, needs to be called on this one too, as they haVe the final say when it comes to all contesting and rules. Maybe they were the other two that were let go.

 

[yoyo205]

Re: Latest Radio Promotion Gone Bad

Was the PD axed too? Haven't heard anything about that. Doesn't the PD have to approve all on air contests?

 

[RussAllen]

That Entercom fired the show's support staff, including the "genius" who thought up this promotion, shows that the company realizes its culpability.

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I'm going to guess that you were not told by someone in Entercom's HR department, that terminating those individuals was because they realized their culpability. Instead that's your assumption/belief.

Entercom's decision to terminate the morning show, the pd, the promotions director and assistants could simply be based on them not following company policy for putting a promotion on the air. Perhaps they didn't get approval from the GM, perhaps they didn't contact legal to discuss rules. As far as the "genius" that thought up the promotion; it's not like this is a new promotional concept. Been done for decades. My station was kicking around the idea of doing it but now that this has happend, this pretty much "Janet Jackson's" this promotion forever.

In otherwords, nobody will touch this promotion now. It's all fun and games until someone dies.

 

[The Street]

Re: Latest Radio Promotion Gone Bad

The PD was also canned....
Steve Weed used to be here in Seattle didn't he? KISW?!?!

 

[SirRoxalot]

Dose of Reality

I'm not a Sacramento resident or listener. I'm a radio pro with more years under my belt than I care to admit. I checked into this board to see what the local radio reaction was to a contest gone horribly wrong. I find some of the comments on this board to be absolutely frightening.

A young mother died because of a stupid radio contest. This is not an "accident". I don't care what any "release form" says, listeners enter contests with the expectation that what you ask them to do WON'T KILL THEM. The contestants likely didn't have access to the Internet, but station personnel sure did.

How much time does it take to go to Google and type in "Can drinking too much water hurt you". Try it right now. Anyone who spends the length of a typical commercial doing "research" ought to come to the conclusion that THIS CONTEST WAS DANGEROUS.

Contests that demean listeners also demean the hosts. Yes, you may get a momentary laugh, but the long-term effect is that people remember that you abuse people for fun. Is that really the image that you want people to have of you? Does that make people more likely to tune into your radio show? Are those the customers that your sponsors want in their stores?

This will cost Entercom millions. In fact, I hope that every person who was involved in the planning and implementation of this contest - every manager who should have been aware of it, and every staffer who participated - has a lifetime payroll deduction to remind them of this tragedy. It's not about the money. I don't care if it's only a dollar, I think that they need to be reminded that they occupy a position of public trust, and that is a huge responsibility.

If this is the event that causes every Morning Zoo, Circus, Regular Guys, Knuckleheads, etc. to rethink their presentation and the stunts that they use to lure listeners, then maybe this poor woman's death wasn't completely senseless.

But it seems to me like it's a Hell of a price to pay.

 

[bwild]

I can't believe this got by every dept. involved at this radio station. PD say's "ok", so does promotions, sales, the GM? Doesn't anybody ask questions at this station? I heard the audio, it sounded like a bunch of giggling rookies on the air.

 

[RadioStarOne]

Re: Death Tied to Entercom's The End 107.9?Re: Sir Rox

You are so right. Three children have no mother, the youngest was only 11 months old. My question to all involved would be how in the world are you going to sleep the rest of your lives? To all of you that take this lightly just ask yourselves this simple question: What if the woman that died was your mother,
sister, aunt B, your cousin susan, your best friend, your high school sweetheart that got away because you didn't pay enough attention to her, or as in this case,
your wife?

By the way I live in Rancho Cordova and this family are my neighbors
and it is going to be heartwrenching watching these kids grow up without their mother! Entercom should at the "very least" lose the license of KDND and John Geary should be held just as accountable as any other employee
of the station for simply not watching and governing his employees actions. I'll bet he wasn't even at the station while all this was happening. RKO lost all their broadcast stations for less than this! Where's the justice? Hey, Mr. Entercom: How do you sleep? Shame on all of these people involved! These lame radio stunts in the name of ratings need to be outlawed and outlawed now! Shame shame shame!