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Death Tied to Entercom's The End 107.9?

OK...enough already. This has turned into a "Who knows more"/"Who watched more episodes of Matlock and/or CSI" competition. It appears you all are more focused on proving others wrong while showing how intelligent you are. Give it a rest...
-salesslap
 
Salesslap said:
OK...enough already. This has turned into a "Who knows more"/"Who watched more episodes of Matlock and/or CSI" competition. It appears you all are more focused on proving others wrong while showing how intelligent you are. Give it a rest...
-salesslap

I find the conversation interesting and salient. If it has moved beyond you, so be it.
 
Re: Reading Comprehension

SirRoxalot said:
If you fail to read and understand plain English, I guess that I can't help you.

What part of "Consuming as little as 1.8 litres of water (0.48 gal) in a single sitting may prove fatal for a person adhering to a low-sodium diet, or 3 litres (0.79 gallons) for a person on a normal diet" don't you understand? Drinking .79 gallons of water in a single sitting may prove fatal for anybody. A "normal diet" is NOT a "self-imposed diet regimen", it's what people normally eat.

It's in the 3rd paragraph of the first Google listing.


Winner.


Neanderpaul, try thinking about it this way....

The contest was to "hold your wee". Regardless of the amount of water you needed to drink...would you consider there to be any other health issues with that contest?

How about bladder infections? Urinary tract infections? Kidney infections? Septic shock? Any of these gone untreated over a period of time could be fatal - and these possible medical conditions are much more well known than water intoxication.

Regardless of whether the station was aware of fatal water intoxication, they had to have known that they were promoting a contest that could have harmful side effects. And if you want to say "radio does dangerous stunts and contests all the time" - sure they do, and every time they should have emergency plans for possible injury. Not just "throw up and you'll be fine".

Yes, of course, Jennifer Strange is responsible for her own actions. But the radio station also needs to be accountable for sponsoring something that caused someone's death. Mrs. Strange wouldn't have died if it wasn't for a COMBINATION of her actions and the stations.

I don't know if that means the station should lose their license or payout millions of dollars, but it should mean something.
 
Friday, the 19th, Access Hollywood did a piece on this tragedy. They showed pictures of one of the female DJ's on a runway at a Beauty Pagent in a sexy swimsuit. Aside from this tragedy, this woman is a very hot item (who is no longer working for 107.9).

Did anyone else see the Access Hollywood piece??

RE to the poster that said that the contestants wwere "adults".....

One of those "adults" is now dead.... And that is exactly what the trail is going to be about.... a dead "adult".

BTY, the DJs, and PDs, and PMs, and GMs, were "adults"... or so we've been led to believe.
 
radiodxrichmond said:
I still don't understand why this wasn't done with gatorade or Red Bull...plus, Gatorade makes you piss like a racehorse.

I'd like to think for one, Red Bull is too expensive. Two, the negative effects of caffeine overdose might play into it.

As far as Gatorade, I know what you mean. Probably a safer alternative, but there still should be a cutoff point.

Also, reading two posts up (which I hadn't got to when I decided to make my post), the author has an interesting point about holding your pee which is often talked about while waiting in line for the urinal at a urinalysis routinely conducted by the military (although 100% tested at one time has seemed to decrease since I've joined). Probably not a wise idea either, but while the effects are potentially unhealthy, it would be a freak occurrence for it to be fatal. Unlike drinking water like there's no tomorrow. Death from water intoxication is too prevalent to be ignorant of.
 
Wednesday, the 17th, Inside Edition did a piece on this tragedy. They showed pictures of one of the female DJ's on a runway at a Beauty Pagent in a sexy swimsuit. Aside from this tragedy, this woman is a very hot item (who is no longer working for 107.9).

Did anyone else see the Access Hollywood piece?? It was Inside Edition that ran a piece on this tragedy last Wednesday......


http://www.insideedition.com/ourstories/inside_stories/story.aspx?storyid=556



RE to the poster that said that the contestants were "Adults".....

One of those "Adults" is now dead.... And that is exactly what the trail is going to be about.... a dead "adult".

BTY, the DJs, and PDs, and PMs, and GMs, were "Adults"... or so we've been led to believe.
 
nhradiochild said:
Death from water intoxication is too prevalent to be ignorant of.

What? Too prevalent? How many people die of voluntary "water overdose" every year? The fact is, too much of ANYTHING can be dangerous, [insert sarcasm] even happiness, right [end sarcasm]? I have never heard of this before...(someone dieing from drinking too much water, without extenuating circumstances such as the hazing incident)...so "prevalent" may be relative to one's own knowledge of the subject (like a doctor, or athlete).

The fault I see here, by the staff/station putting on the promotion, was that they didn't have a medic on staff to check everyone's health BEFORE, during and AFTER. This could have played a big part in making sure nothing went wrong, and noone got hurt. What if someone's blood pressure was out of wack, or someone was on certain medication? Maybe they (a health care professional) could have monitored everyone's electrolyte (im)balance, which from what I read is the basis for water intoxication. Any type of "endurance" contest should have a trained health professional to check and monitor the contestants. Some people may not be fit to participate to begin with, and there should be someone on site to determine that. That's where the fault by the staff/station is, in my opinion.

The problem with that though, is if a health professional pulls someone out of the contest because they deem it unsafe for the contestant, the contestant may choose to sue as well, claiming some unfairness on the part of the radio station; that the contest was fixed. So, it seems "endurance contests" on the radio may have seen their last contest. I suppose "Fear Factor" will continue on until someone dies, and then everyone screams [after the fact] that the contests are too dangerous, the network should have kown better etc etc etc, even though it was an accident.

That said, I believe it is also encumbant upon the contestant to know their own limits. When I go work out, my trainer could push me til I die ( I could have a heart attack or dehydrate or something)...he doesn't know what is going on with my internal organs, especially if I tell him I'm okay, "give me more". I am the one who has to know my limits. So, how can the station staff be expected to know what the contestants limits are if the contestant keeps saying "I'm okay, I can drink more"...No one could have seen this outcome. All usual symptoms of "HYPONATREMIA" were not evident here. But, again, I agree there is accountability on the Entercom staff to have had a trained health professional there to ensure the people who were participating were healthy, and to monitor how much water was being (over)consumed. If there is a way to check the electrolyte balance, it could have prevented this tragedy, but then again maybe not. Sometimes you can't control fate (she could have crashed her car on her way home)...And I believe that God will make something good come out of this tragic event. He always does (non-believers: rather than get into a religious arguement, simply disregard my Faith based comment. It is just my "opinion").

I can't imagine that the staff really thought anyone would die, which is why they were joking about it. It seemed, to them, too far fetched...they were expecting the participants to quit if it became to painful, or to throw up (I have drank too much water at once and thrown up...). Some people's threashold for pain will take them to the brink of death, and beyond as we have witnessed. Everything I read on "Water Intoxication" or "HYPONATREMIA" has led me to believe that it is something that would normally only affect athletes and their need to replentish...not just water, but sodium too, during physical exertion, or that it can affect people in other "special circumstances", not just sitting drinking LOTS of water. The wikipedia site had listed extreme examples of water intoxication (the guy that was hazed, girls o.d.ing on ecstacy...these are extreme examples!) but nothing like this event (note: the wikipedia has been updated with this event).

And what about the winner? He didn't fall victim to water intoxication did he?...I imagine he drank as much water as Mrs. Strange did, yet he is still alive. It goes to show that people have different levels of tolerance, and an untrained eye cannot see the difference. Could a health professional on site prevented this tragic death? If I were he (the winner), I would ask the Strange Family if I could give them the Wii, although, if I were one of the children, I don't know that I would want that reminder of how my mom died...catch 22 there...

I also don't think it is right for people to go out and be sue happy...for example, why not track down the "nurse" that called and hold her accountable for not stopping the event by calling the police if she knew how dangerous it was. Do you see how rediculous this gets? And holding Nintendo accountable....please. They had nothing to do with the contestant choosing to push her own limits, or the station's lack of responsibility to have a trained health care professional on site to monitor the contest. We are too litigious. Stick to the immediate responsible parties.

Everyone is focused on retribution towards Entercom. It seems as though the children have been forgotten in all this mess. Mrs. Strange's death is a tragedy that we all have to learn from. I think what would be appropriate is for Entercom to set up a trust fund for the children. It would show good will, and that they too are sorry for this tragic accident that happened during an event on their station. Maybe that could curtail a long drawn out lawsuit where the children have to be involved and reminded daily that their mom died trying to win THEM a Wii...I would feel horrible if I were one of those kids, to the point of feeling guilty (especially if I had begged for one for Christmas...) My prayers go to the children, that they don't get dragged through the courts...
 
No one could've seen this outcome? Wrong. People, ON THE AIR, discussed a possible outcome and the Morning Crew, ON THE AIR, said it wouldn't happen to them.

Also, while everyone's tolerance is different, you are NOT supposed to drink that much water at one time. Period.

Entercom will indeed set up a trust fund for the kids...However, it will be a through a court judgement. Entercom is responsible. The Morning Jocks are responsible. The contestant? Well, she' s dead...so she has already paid for her decision to enter a "silly contest".

This is not just about Jennifer Strange. It's about her kids. It's about how radio responds to this. I'm not out for Entercom's blood, but this is the way it works when your edgy promotion helps to kill a listener.

- DM





Profit wrote:

"No one could have seen this outcome. All usual symptoms of "HYPONATREMIA" were not evident here. But, again, I agree there is accountability on the Entercom staff to have had a trained health professional there to ensure the people who were participating were healthy, and to monitor how much water was being (over)consumed. If there is a way to check the electrolyte balance, it could have prevented this tragedy, but then again maybe not. Sometimes you can't control fate (she could have crashed her car on her way home)...And I believe that God will make something good come out of this tragic event. He always does (non-believers: rather than get into a religious arguement, simply disregard my Faith based comment. It is just my "opinion"). "
 
DyingMedium said:
No one could've seen this outcome? Wrong. People, ON THE AIR, discussed a possible outcome and the Morning Crew, ON THE AIR, said it wouldn't happen to them.

Again, this is a situation where an accident happened, and you are right, they didn't think it would happen to them. Honestly, if I were there, I probably wouldn't have thought it would happen either! And you can't tell me MOST people thought it would, or KNEW it would! The only reason (most) people here are acting as though "they knew better" and wouldn't have done the promotion has to do with hind sight. Most people do things they shouldn't because they don't think anything bad will happen to them. I'm sure you do things all the time, with complete disregard for the potential consequences. Do you drink, smoke, eat at McDonalds, speed? It's part of American Culture, to take things to the limit, to the edge, to absurdity...All for some "reward". There was no malicious intent. Irresponsible, yes...intentional, NO!

DyingMedium said:
Also, while everyone's tolerance is different, you are NOT supposed to drink that much water at one time. Period.

Again..people do things they shouldn't ALL the time. People CHOOSE to smoke, CHOOSE to drink, CHOOSE to have mulitple sex partners, CHOOSE to steal, CHOOSE to speed, CHOOSE to take prescription drugs that have potentially lethal side effects, CHOOSE to be IRRESPONSIBLE with their actions....CHOOSE, CHOOSE, CHOOSE. There are deadly consequences with alot of things we do in life...driving your car is a deadly choice (is the car manufacturer or dealer responsible if YOU get into an accident? Did they WARN you about the DEADLY consequences of speeding, or driving in a hazardous fashion? Mine didn't...yet I still drive everyday), even stepping into your shower has a lethal consequence, IF you are not CAREFUL you could slip and crack your head open (would the shower maker, or even soap manufacturer be held liable for your carelessness?).

There was nothing different about this contest: It was a CHOICE on the contestants to play. It was a CHOICE on the contestants to KEEP DRINKING. It was a CHOICE on the contestants to NOT WEE...How can Entercom et al. be held responsible if a contestant CHOOSES to STAY IN THE CONTEST? What if they [Entercom Staff] had said, "Hey you need to stop", and the contestant said "NO, I won't stop. I want to win"? Would you still hold Entercom responsible? Let's not forget the winner drank more...and held out longer, and did not die! And other contestants drank ALOT MORE than they should, without serious consequence...This "death by water intoxication" is not prevalent. It's a rare occurance...people may get sick from it, but that would probably be a chance the contestant is willing to take to win: "so I get a little sick, I'll get better right?". People take riskier chances doing otherthings everyday! At what point do we go back to personal responsibility? I still think Entercom has some amout of responsibility in this and should provide a Trust Fund of their own FREE WILL, not court ordered...[obviously if they don't do it themselves, then yes, the courts should make it so] I just think Corportae Responsibility dictates that they should make up for the childrens loss.

DyingMedium said:
Entercom will indeed set up a trust fund for the kids...However, it will be a through a court judgement. Entercom is responsible. The Morning Jocks are responsible. The contestant? Well, she' s dead...so she has already paid for her decision to enter a "silly contest".

This is not just about Jennifer Strange. It's about her kids. It's about how radio responds to this. I'm not out for Entercom's blood, but this is the way it works when your edgy promotion helps to kill a listener.

- DM

Hind sight is 20/20...there are so many things that could have been done to prevent this tragedy. We see that NOW, looking BACK...BUT had Mrs. Strange NOT died, NOONE would be screaming that drinking TOO much water at once is deadly....NO ONE! NONE of you here would have condemned the station for running a "deadly promotion and it's a good thing noone died"... but now that someone has tragically died, you are all on a lynch crusade. It's the poplular opinion: "Lynch those who ran the contest. Lynch everyone involved. It's ALL their fault. Someone should have known better." I personally disagree. I think BOTH parties are culpable in this. It takes two to tango. If "water intoxication" is so widely known, (many of you here make it seem that way) why were there people willing to play?

And when was the last time a "SUCCESSFUL" promotion was scrutinized for it POTENTIAL to be "deadly"? It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt....
 
Charlie,

How right you are!!!! It is terrible that she died and maybe it was s stupid contest but if nothing had happened, 50 other radio stations would be doing the same promotion.

Hindsight is always 20/20.
 
AllAccess.com is reporting that the Strange family attorney will be filing a complaint with the FCC to have KDND's license revoked.

FYI...
 
Maureen Matthews married Steve Rivers....he would never have allowed this promotion on the air.
 
making waves said:
KenHawk1160 said:
However, as an adult, you have to accept some responsibility for your own actions. THIS WAS OVER A VIDEO GAME SYSTEM. I don't think it's entirely fair to lay the whole of the blame here on everyone involved at the radio station. Some staff members connected directly with this matter, yes. What was Jennifer Strange's own health situation prior to this contest?

Everyone seems to be forgetting BROADCASTER RESPONSIBILITY. Yes, this stunt has been done a thousand times with no ill effects. Yes, people have survived stunts like this on radio and TV shows. But station management has a responsibility to its listeners. Certainly someone (and you would hope it would be management) has to anticipate any liability issues...and keep contest participants from any harm. Asking them to sign a waiver does not mean the station is in the clear.

There are other ways to do stunts and be edgy. Please, do you think all "stunts" like this are still real? Theater of the mind, people, theater of the mind...and stations pull it off all the time with no one realizing the difference.

Yes, I know what I said. And had you read the rest of my little essay, you would have known that I also said that the Strange family does deserve compensation. There was negligence involved, and I don't dispute that. What I DO disagree with is everyone's willingness to push all of the responsibility on the station. KDND is NOT 100 percent responsible here. They did not force these people to participate. The contestants were free to stop at any time.

The real issue is the degree of responsibility that Entercom will ultimately be responsible for. Revocation of KDND's license is not the answer. The closest it may come to is a hefty jury cash award that might mean a sale. Does everyone on the station's staff deserve to lose their job over this? Including a receptionist or a minimum-wage paid board-op who pushes buttons overnights on Saturdays?
 
I'm not for "lynching" anyone. However, a strong message needs to be sent here...
What that is, I don't know...But killing a listener should bring more from the FCC than a hefty fine.
 
Maybe not the best choice of words on my part, I'll admit. Maybe a better way for me to say it would be....

Running a contest that directly results in a listener's death should bring more than a fine from the FCC.
 
DyingMedium said:
Maybe not the best choice of words on my part, I'll admit. Maybe a better way for me to say it would be....

Running a contest that directly results in a listener's death should bring more than a fine from the FCC.

I like your posits and conclusions; Dubya should hire you his new P.R. person. ::)
 
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