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DECEMBER PPMS...TIME TO TALK

KOST is #1 as expected.
Drops in audience share at KAMP, but increase in cume.
KYSR defeating KROQ in cume, but KROQ remains dominant in audience share.
Impressive gains at KSWD.
KXOS drops from 2.0 to 1.6, right next to KSSE.

What did you expect? What was a surprise?
Time to talk PPM.
 
radiojomo said:
Time to talk PPM.

Again, the caveat is that Arbitron gives away the 6+/12+ because those demos are without any value. Bragging rights? Yeah. Sales and programming use? None.
 
Lack of significant audience increase at the KSWD means the growth must have been nearly all TSL. One can expect the bump to be short-lived.

Guess it also proves that you can get better ratings by playing the same old tired hits by the same old tired artists over and over. To wit, they have taken out virtually all new music, and narrowed the gold playlist significantly over the last three months. The latest travesty is playing nearly every song off of the debut Boston album ad nauseum. AOR simply doesn't get more tired and stale then that.
 
radiojomo said:
KOST is #1 as expected.
Drops in audience share at KAMP, but increase in cume.
KYSR defeating KROQ in cume, but KROQ remains dominant in audience share.
Impressive gains at KSWD.
KXOS drops from 2.0 to 1.6, right next to KSSE.

What did you expect? What was a surprise?
Time to talk PPM.

CC Cluster looks stellar
KOST gets a boost from Christmas
KYSR gets much closer to KROQ and even wins middays 25-54
KIIS narrowly beats KPWR 18-34
KBIG, KHHT stays strong
KRTH drops out of top 10 25-54
KSWD - now more familiar and focused sees best month yet
JACK ties for #2 25-54
 
ChannelFlipper said:
Lack of significant audience increase at the KSWD means the growth must have been nearly all TSL. One can expect the bump to be short-lived.

Guess it also proves that you can get better ratings by playing the same old tired hits by the same old tired artists over and over. To wit, they have taken out virtually all new music, and narrowed the gold playlist significantly over the last three months. The latest travesty is playing nearly every song off of the debut Boston album ad nauseum. AOR simply doesn't get more tired and stale then that.

As someone just slightly a few years below their demo (but a music person), I think this is the best it has sounded (no pun intended). I think if they got rid of the occasional deep cuts, the TSL would continue to grow and pull from KLOS and KRTH.
 
ChannelFlipper said:
Lack of significant audience increase at the KSWD means the growth must have been nearly all TSL. One can expect the bump to be short-lived.

What I think we are seeing with KSWD is cume churn over the last 60 to 90 days. New cume came in, reducing the TSL... which is typical performance when cume is changed or increased. Now, the TSL is catching up with the new cume, and the share increasing.

In this case, the gains would be very real and very believable, too.
 
DavidEduardo said:
ChannelFlipper said:
Lack of significant audience increase at the KSWD means the growth must have been nearly all TSL. One can expect the bump to be short-lived.

What I think we are seeing with KSWD is cume churn over the last 60 to 90 days. New cume came in, reducing the TSL... which is typical performance when cume is changed or increased. Now, the TSL is catching up with the new cume, and the share increasing.

In this case, the gains would be very real and very believable, too.

David - you have a good point. I think playing 70's based classic rock hits and being more familiar helps the button punching that may have been occuring when they were unfamiliar.

It's a much more focused product. KLOS has shifted their music younger and KRTH skews old - so they have created a somewhat west coast WDRV.

Also noticed how close KNX is getting to KFI - wow!
 
Radioresearcher said:
David - you have a good point. I think playing 70's based classic rock hits and being more familiar helps the button punching that may have been occuring when they were unfamiliar.

I find there is often a failure to realize that cume growth initially is accompanied by TSL decline... the new cumers are not yet partisans, thus are samplers and listen less. A station would hope that the new cumers become converts and increase their usage.

Also noticed how close KNX is getting to KFI - wow!

The cume of KNX exceeds that of KFI for the last two months, of course. They may never win on TSL, although by promoting multiple incidents they could be very competitive.

This shows that CBS did a rather smart thing in getting poor-signal KFWB out of the format.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Radioresearcher said:
David - you have a good point. I think playing 70's based classic rock hits and being more familiar helps the button punching that may have been occuring when they were unfamiliar.

I find there is often a failure to realize that cume growth initially is accompanied by TSL decline... the new cumers are not yet partisans, thus are samplers and listen less. A station would hope that the new cumers become converts and increase their usage.

Also noticed how close KNX is getting to KFI - wow!

The cume of KNX exceeds that of KFI for the last two months, of course. They may never win on TSL, although by promoting multiple incidents they could be very competitive.

This shows that CBS did a rather smart thing in getting poor-signal KFWB out of the format.

My TSL of 100.3 has gone up simply on them playing hits. I was driving around a few weeks ago on a late Saturday afternoon and heard 30 minutes of great music - it was familiar and well put together. No reason to tune out.

Yes, they probably are now converting that. Their cume grew, but it wasn't everyone's taste.

KNX should outcume KFI - but can't imagine any News station being able to generate enough TSL to beat a Talk outlet.

KYSR has seen their cume grow with recent music changes and it's clearly pulling from KROQ - especially during workday hours. KROQ wins primarily because of Kevin & Bean.

Because occasions are as critical if not more in PPM, I think it makes it so important to be familiar more than anything else. Say what you want, focused and hit driven wins.
 
Radioresearcher said:
radiojomo said:
KOST is #1 as expected.
Drops in audience share at KAMP, but increase in cume.
KYSR defeating KROQ in cume, but KROQ remains dominant in audience share.
Impressive gains at KSWD.
KXOS drops from 2.0 to 1.6, right next to KSSE.

What did you expect? What was a surprise?
Time to talk PPM.

CC Cluster looks stellar
KOST gets a boost from Christmas
KYSR gets much closer to KROQ and even wins middays 25-54
KIIS narrowly beats KPWR 18-34
KBIG, KHHT stays strong
KRTH drops out of top 10 25-54
KSWD - now more familiar and focused sees best month yet
JACK ties for #2 25-54
The only time I listen to 'The Sound' is when they're doing 10@10 or speciality events like Triple Play Thursdays or the recent 'Beatles on Boxing Day' - otherwise, I'm listening to RADIO PARADISE in my car via iPhone and cassette adapter. I'm not going to beat up on an old subject. I wish them success and only hope they continue the speciality programming. Joe G
 
pjc1961 said:
To see the publicly released overall age 6+ PPM data for the December 2009 period (Thu. 11/12/09-Wed. 12/9/09), go to the Los Angeles Ratings Grid.



The next rating period is for Holiday 2009 (Thu. 12/10/09-Wed. 1/6/10), with the publicly released overall age 6+ PPM data to be released on Wed. 1/27/10.

Upcoming Arbitron Data Release Dates: PDF Version of 2010 PPM Delivery Schedule

To see the PPM results for Riverside-San Bernardino, go to the Riverside-San Bernardino, CA Ratings Grid.
 
It's funny, but now that KOST is number one, no one makes much of a big deal out of it. Seems that high Christmas ratings are a given, like it's no big deal. Does that same way of thinking say that KOST will drop big time in January, or can they hold some numbers up? Is LA such a different marketplace from San Francisco and New York where AC seems to stick to the very top or close to it? Yes, each city has a different ethnic mix, is that why? I think so, but I still wonder... David?
 
Radioresearcher said:
KYSR has seen their cume grow with recent music changes and it's clearly pulling from KROQ - especially during workday hours. KROQ wins primarily because of Kevin & Bean.

I noticed the last couple days that KYSR is now promoting 98 min. sets of commercial free music. Don't know if this is for the long term or just a holiday thing. Now that they've got a decent cume you think they're trying to boost their share?
 
ocer said:
I noticed the last couple days that KYSR is now promoting 98 min. sets of commercial free music. Don't know if this is for the long term or just a holiday thing. Now that they've got a decent cume you think they're trying to boost their share?

This is more along the lines of the "why does a dog lick itself" question.

Ad activity is severely reduced after Christmas. So stations can do sweeps, when otherwise they couldn't. So they use the moment to burn in an image of more music... it generally worked in the diary, but I wonder if a temporary device can hold TSL in the long run, or whether doing it and later stopping might backfire since it does not pass the BS test... and no audience group detects BS better than alternative listeners.
 
calguy said:
It's funny, but now that KOST is number one, no one makes much of a big deal out of it. Seems that high Christmas ratings are a given, like it's no big deal. Does that same way of thinking say that KOST will drop big time in January, or can they hold some numbers up? Is LA such a different marketplace from San Francisco and New York where AC seems to stick to the very top or close to it? Yes, each city has a different ethnic mix, is that why? I think so, but I still wonder... David?

AC is heavily split in LA... KHHT is really AC, along with KBIG and KLVE. And I suspect that the market's large CHR shares with women 25-54 have some effect on the AC shares... perhaps a reflection on not just ethnicity but also the climate and mood of the market.
 
DavidEduardo said:
AC is heavily split in LA... KHHT is really AC, along with KBIG and KLVE. And I suspect that the market's large CHR shares with women 25-54 have some effect on the AC shares... perhaps a reflection on not just ethnicity but also the climate and mood of the market.

It's unfair to generalize all four stations as "AC" -- while they are still within the same overall family, there are a number of different flavors of AC, such as Hot AC (KBIG), Urban AC (KHHT) or Spanish AC (KLVE), and one of the reasons to split them out into separate formats is because there are distinct differences in the playlists, imaging, overall presentation and demo targets of each format. While I'm sure KOST does probably share some listeners with all of these stations, the majority of their target demo and hot ZIPs are different than the others', especially since KOST, MyFM and Hot are all in the same building and are being deliberately kept apart in certain respects to make sure they're not stepping all over each others' toes.
 
RockTheGlobe said:
It's unfair to generalize all four stations as "AC" -- while they are still within the same overall family, there are a number of different flavors of AC, such as Hot AC (KBIG), Urban AC (KHHT) or Spanish AC (KLVE), and one of the reasons to split them out into separate formats is because there are distinct differences in the playlists, imaging, overall presentation and demo targets of each format. While I'm sure KOST does probably share some listeners with all of these stations, the majority of their target demo and hot ZIPs are different than the others', especially since KOST, MyFM and Hot are all in the same building and are being deliberately kept apart in certain respects to make sure they're not stepping all over each others' toes.

You're missing one of the key elements of cluster programming which is to make sure that your stations overlap and plug any holes a competitor could use to move in between two of your stations.

Clear has always managed the cluster based on a loose sense of ethnicity, demographics and lifestyles staying away from the harder rock elements. So there is a continuum from KIIS to KBIG and KHHT and even KYSR on to KOST. Each has a slightly different core age or ethnic appeal, but they fit together quite nicely.

KBIG and KIIS share hugely. KBIG and KOST share hugely. KHHT shares with several, leaning more to the Hispanic side. Even KYSR has a significant amount of sharing. In part, this is because the average person listens to around 7 or 8 stations in any given fortnight.

KLVE shares greatly with KIIS, AMP, KBIG, KHHT and even KRTH and KCBS-FM... a fact that, as a several-time interim PD of KLVE I am most aware of.

And KHHT, KBIG, KOST, KLVE are all variants of AC.... the distinctions are more made by those in the industry. A 38 year old English dominant Hispanic white woman might find KOST a bit conservative, KBIG pretty suitable, KHHT a pick-me-up in certain moments, and KLVE appropriate for moments when heritage strikes a chord. To that listener, other than the language differentiation between KLVE and the others, all the stations are "ones I like" and not "Hot AC or "Alternative AC" or "Rhythmic AC. " Most listeners divide stations into two big groups, ones they like and ones they don't like. Then they have ones they like more or less, and usage often depends on mood.

With the melding of cultures, ethnicities and populations in LA, a single ZIP may be just as valid for KLVE as KOST... and so on.

I learned large-cluster strategy in the early 60's with a group of 5 stations in one building. I applied it a few years later with 9 in the same offices... and the key was in overlapping like bricks in a wall, not in separating the stations too much... and in recognizing which audience groups you could protect and which ones you could not.
 
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