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Screen name "Don Juan."
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Defenders of HD? Well, here's one...
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In Minneapolis (FM)
Second classical music channel
Smooth Jazz
Classic Country
plus about half a dozen others that I did not check the format on
Not available without HD.
BTW, one of the best uses of HD was in Iowa where the local college station was on the HD-2 channel of a 100,000 watt non-comm. What a reach for a college station.
Second classical music channel
Smooth Jazz
Classic Country
plus about half a dozen others that I did not check the format on
Not available without HD.
BTW, one of the best uses of HD was in Iowa where the local college station was on the HD-2 channel of a 100,000 watt non-comm. What a reach for a college station.
K6JHU said:
89.3-2 / mix of novelty, jazz, alternative, acoustic
91.1-2 / americana / folk / jazz / ambient / world
91.1-3 / BBC World
92.5-2 / deep rock cuts
93.7-2 / comedy (All Comedy Channel feed)
97.1-2 / acoustic
98.5-2 / christian contemporary
99.5-2 / Classical 24
100.3-2 / traditional country (40's to today)
101.3-2 / dance / electronica
102.1-2 / new country
104.1-2 / contemporary / smooth jazz
107.9-2 / 80's music
"HD-haters, DXers and hobbists." (I think he means "hobbyists." Unless Bilbo Baggins has HD these days.)
The Three Horsemen Of The Apocalypse for the disappearing pro-HD contingent. Thanks to Guy Wire, I guess I'm the Fourth.
Let's check the record: HD-FM installs have stalled at about 14%. HD-AM is on 2% of all stations, essentially unchanged in two years, and that's mostly daytime-only. HD is desperately squeezing for a digital power increase without which even its proponents admit, it's toast. They won't get the power increase they're seeking. Even nutty-zealot promoters like DE and Guy Wire admit the AM flavor is just about dead. Receivers are now rare curiosities at retail, the poor performance of the radios having trashed relationships at the distribution level.
It is ironic, therefore, for Don Juan to accuse HD critics of "wishful thinking."
Hey Don: you really ought to drop that tired old "DX" argument. The HD crowd relentlessly pushed that fallacy but nobody bought it; it got no traction. Everybody knows the issue isn't interference to DX listening. It's the harmful interference HD delivers to LOCAL listening. And self-interference on originating stations.
The Three Horsemen Of The Apocalypse for the disappearing pro-HD contingent. Thanks to Guy Wire, I guess I'm the Fourth.
Let's check the record: HD-FM installs have stalled at about 14%. HD-AM is on 2% of all stations, essentially unchanged in two years, and that's mostly daytime-only. HD is desperately squeezing for a digital power increase without which even its proponents admit, it's toast. They won't get the power increase they're seeking. Even nutty-zealot promoters like DE and Guy Wire admit the AM flavor is just about dead. Receivers are now rare curiosities at retail, the poor performance of the radios having trashed relationships at the distribution level.
It is ironic, therefore, for Don Juan to accuse HD critics of "wishful thinking."
Hey Don: you really ought to drop that tired old "DX" argument. The HD crowd relentlessly pushed that fallacy but nobody bought it; it got no traction. Everybody knows the issue isn't interference to DX listening. It's the harmful interference HD delivers to LOCAL listening. And self-interference on originating stations.
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Ad hominen arguments? Is that the best you got? I can think of a dozen words stronger than "HD hater", "DX'er", or "hobbyist" to express bigotry and intolerance to anybody who dares to question the success of this technology in the marketplace.
HD-2 and HD-3 channels are interesting, but I can get dozens more unique formats by simply installing satellite. And HD-radio is hardly "free" when I have to install an aftermarket radio - assuming, that is, that I can even do it. Most car radios are so integrated into the vehicle it is virtually impossible to install an aftermarket radio. But all newer car audio systems have auxiliary input jacks through which I can play an iPod, satellite receiver, or my favorite for long trips, DVD audio soundtrack from a movie. HD-2 and above go SILENT in the fringes, really annoying. Satellite doesn't unless I park under a bridge or canopy.
"What's the point of this post? How may people actually listen to them?"
...errrrr..... I do
Look at Chamberlain, SD (Pop 2388). The NPR station has "Classical 24" on HD-2. No other way that I know of to listen to classical in such an out of the way place except by HD or to pay for satellite.
...errrrr..... I do
Look at Chamberlain, SD (Pop 2388). The NPR station has "Classical 24" on HD-2. No other way that I know of to listen to classical in such an out of the way place except by HD or to pay for satellite.
Based on sales, HD radio penetration is about 0.3 percent. That's probably being generous because there are quite a few unused HD radios out there, thanks to lackluster performance. Take that number and divvy it up amongst all of the HD1, HD2 and HD3 signals in a given market and you end up with listenership to any given feed (in most markets) limited to the hundreds. Absolutely meaningless in the scheme of things.
Let's put it this way, most stations' internet streams can deliver hundreds of times more listeners than their HD subchannels do. I can't think of an instance where an HD-2 or 3 channel has made the ratings, unless it's also broadcast on an analog FM translator. However, several internet streams DO make the book.
You want to see the future? It ain't digital radio; it's the 'net.
Let's put it this way, most stations' internet streams can deliver hundreds of times more listeners than their HD subchannels do. I can't think of an instance where an HD-2 or 3 channel has made the ratings, unless it's also broadcast on an analog FM translator. However, several internet streams DO make the book.
You want to see the future? It ain't digital radio; it's the 'net.
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