DEFENDING OUR OWN

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

OK, by now, we have all heard the pundits on talk radio unleash on Richard Roberts. Many people in commercial media know full well there is a conservative vs. liberal slant between CNN and FOX. There are always two distinct and polarizing views on similar stories out there. But then there is the third side of that fence... us. Have you heard the defense of Roberts out there on Christian radio?

Apologist isn't the word. How about... oh... apoplectic.

With ALL the scandals going on in the church lately, Christian or "Conservative talk show hosts with a Christian base" refuse to admit that this story is indicative of a larger problem in the church. I hope it's clear. This is nothing about guilt or innocence on ORU. How come there doesn't seem to a Christian talk show host willing to admit there is no accountability in today's religious arenas, and without biblical responsibility there, these stories will keep happening?

Just a thought.

 

[radioelizabeth]

OK, by now, we have all heard the pundits on talk radio unleash on Richard Roberts. Many people in commercial media know full well there is a conservative vs. liberal slant between CNN and FOX. There are always two distinct and polarizing views on similar stories out there. But then there is the third side of that fence... us. Have you heard the defense of Roberts out there on Christian radio?

Apologist isn't the word. How about... oh... apoplectic.

With ALL the scandals going on in the church lately, Christian or "Conservative talk show hosts with a Christian base" refuse to admit that this story is indicative of a larger problem in the church. I hope it's clear. This is nothing about guilt or innocence on ORU. How come there doesn't seem to a Christian talk show host willing to admit there is no accountability in today's religious arenas, and without biblical responsibility there, these stories will keep happening?

Just a thought.

Ever hear of a complex question?


Regardless:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/10/oru.suit/?iref=mpstoryview

 

[rbrucecarter5]

God has a sense of humor - just look at the people he hires.

Oral Roberts was so senile when he made that nonsensical pronouncement 20 years ago that his son would slowly nudge him off the stage before the senility kicked in. After 20 years, he must be in a really bad condition.

His son - if he stepped into sin - should step DOWN. God will annoint a worthy successor, unless the time for the effectiveness of that ministry has passed. If so, the board of directors needs to sense that God is moving in a different direction now and act accordingly. Too many ministries, pastors hold on to past glory after God has clearly withdrawn his hand of blessing.

 

[radioelizabeth]

God has a sense of humor - just look at the people he hires.

Oral Roberts was so senile when he made that nonsensical pronouncement 20 years ago that his son would slowly nudge him off the stage before the senility kicked in. After 20 years, he must be in a really bad condition.

His son - if he stepped into sin - should step DOWN. God will annoint a worthy successor, unless the time for the effectiveness of that ministry has passed. If so, the board of directors needs to sense that God is moving in a different direction now and act accordingly. Too many ministries, pastors hold on to past glory after God has clearly withdrawn his hand of blessing.

wow

 

[Australian Whine]

Oral Roberts was so senile when he made that nonsensical pronouncement 20 years ago that his son would slowly nudge him off the stage before the senility kicked in.

wow

sure sucks the air out of a room, huh Elizabeth.

Great to see you back, by the way.

 

[radioelizabeth]

Oral Roberts was so senile when he made that nonsensical pronouncement 20 years ago that his son would slowly nudge him off the stage before the senility kicked in.

wow

sure sucks the air out of a room, huh Elizabeth.

Great to see you back, by the way.

I'm on and off.

Really wishing there was a board that raised the bar....considering creating one, but then I couldn't moderate it since I'd want to be active!

 

[Australian Whine]

Really wishing there was a board that raised the bar....considering creating one, but then I couldn't moderate it since I'd want to be active!

Blog, dear Elizabeth, blog. Open entries up for comment. Feel the need to reply? Make that your next day's entry.

 

[radioelizabeth]

Really wishing there was a board that raised the bar....considering creating one, but then I couldn't moderate it since I'd want to be active!

Blog, dear Elizabeth, blog. Open entries up for comment. Feel the need to reply? Make that your next day's entry.

hahaha

I do blog. But I've been a bit swamped with some articles I am working on and some other projects as well.

Need to add some new entries and update the RADIOELIZABETH blog, you are correct.

I'm working up a piece on the recent court decision for RIAA....hope to have it up this weekend...

At least I know I can expect you to participate!

 

[skippertthomas]

Hummm? Someone fill this media guy in.. All I know is how fresh it was to see how the Osteen's transitioned when 'Pop' died.. I don't think anyone in the family or board of the Church had a clear idea who would come out to lead.. It was neat to see the family and elders lead as a team and then see Joel come out as the "David" and called one to lead.. I tend to like structure and 'safety' nets to keep accountability and we are always being tempted in large and small ways to wonder off the path.. We need to watch each other's backs.. That love in action... Barney Fife might be right! NIP IT IN THE BUD, and don't ignore it when the problem is small... :-\

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

Really wishing there was a board that raised the bar....considering creating one, but then I couldn't moderate it since I'd want to be active!

Blog, dear Elizabeth, blog. Open entries up for comment. Feel the need to reply? Make that your next day's entry.

hahaha

I do blog. But I've been a bit swamped with some articles I am working on and some other projects as well.

Need to add some new entries and update the RADIOELIZABETH blog, you are correct.

I'm working up a piece on the recent court decision for RIAA....hope to have it up this weekend...

At least I know I can expect you to participate!

All this banter about educated conversation has me interested. You have a blog? Why not post in here as well? Look at the dates of these posts. Few and far between unfortunately.

Oh, and BTW, the question was why not our leaders in Christendom create better accountability, and hold others to the fire that don't. Simple as that.

Look forward to your blog.

 

[radioelizabeth]

Really wishing there was a board that raised the bar....considering creating one, but then I couldn't moderate it since I'd want to be active!

Blog, dear Elizabeth, blog. Open entries up for comment. Feel the need to reply? Make that your next day's entry.

hahaha

I do blog. But I've been a bit swamped with some articles I am working on and some other projects as well.

Need to add some new entries and update the RADIOELIZABETH blog, you are correct.

I'm working up a piece on the recent court decision for RIAA....hope to have it up this weekend...

At least I know I can expect you to participate!

All this banter about educated conversation has me interested. You have a blog? Why not post in here as well? Look at the dates of these posts. Few and far between unfortunately.

Oh, and BTW, the question was why not our leaders in Christendom create better accountability, and hold others to the fire that don't. Simple as that.

Look forward to your blog.

Why would I post a blog here? What do you mean by few and far between?

And: That is NOT simple. It's called a complex question. You know, like "have you stopped beating your wife yet".

It assumes a premise if answered assumes the same.

 

[justalurker]

Blogs are good when you have a group of people who are going to you for your opinion or if you are part of a group that is considered a good source of opinion (or are syndicated to blogs that are well read). But they are more announcement based ... like a well scripted radio show. The blogger picks the topics, gives their opinion and (unless disabled) takes comments from the readers. Some blogs moderate the comments, others just delete comments that are "inappropriate". (The moderated comments would be much like a radio show that records it's calls then decides who is worthy of getting on the air. The "delete later" comments would be like a station running live comments with the finger on the dump button.)

This place is a forum ... anyone can pick a topic and we're all basically equals, regardless of who we are outside of this place. Any one of us could be moderators ... especially since moderators are not exposed at this site ... and still participate.

I am a moderator at a non-radio forum where moderators are public. There is the occasional time when someone plays the "you're a moderator - you shouldn't participate" card, but the posters with the most post on that site are moderators ... they earn the respect of the rest of the forum members by being fair in their moderation. Plus the moderators answer to each other, so accountability is there.

I prefer a site with open moderators, but as long as hidden moderators don't abuse the power by deleting those who disagree with them and making "as a moderator" posts to support themselves the "hidden moderator" thing works. The big issue at any site is accountability. I will not participate at a site where moderators are not accountable to each other.

(That being said, I'm here, and have no problems with how this place is being run.)

If you want to open up a table to discuss any issue on a topic a forum is good. It takes some humility, some patience with others and some self control. And some people who want to participate instead of going somewhere else.