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Delaware translator changes

R

rygert

There have been a few translator changes in Delaware during the past few months:

The 97.1 translator in Middletown has switched from relaying the Reach FM network to a relay of Christian WDAC-94.5 from Lancaster, PA. Reach FM built the new WXHM-91.9 in Middletown last year, so it looks like they didn't need the additional translator signal at this point....

The 98.3 translator in Dover is now airing Black Gospel programming from WEHA "Gospel 88.7 FM" Port Republic, New Jersey. 98.3 had previously been a translator for 1600 AM (now WRJE) in Dover through several different formats. The 105.1 Milford translator is still airing programming from WRJE - which itself is simulcasting the Spanish format from 1260 in Newark and 1330 in Havre de Grace.
 
I wish WDAC would put a translator in the Wilmington / New Castle area as the 94.5 from Trenton interferes.
 
I'm with you Mike. I still would enjoy that station. Dad put an outdoor antenna up on the roof back in the early 60's, so Mom could hear that station. First of its kind that could be heard in our area. Living in Newark, outdoor antennas were not optional!

They played not only a lot the normal preacher stuff, they also were heavy into news and hours of music shows (Request Time was a favorite).

Many times, even in the 70's and early 90's, WDAC showed in the Wilmington rating books.
 
Much rather would prefer WDAC to go silent. PST is my favorite CHR radio station actually.
 
I'm with Jim on that one, WDAC has been around since the early or mid 50's and its music and religious programming is not heard in this area on other stations. I'm assuming WPST is the Trenton station at 94.5, but there are other CHR stations that play the same music and only one WDAC. IF WDAC had a Wilmington translator that frequency wouldn't affect WPST's signal at 94.5.

I don't think you'll see WDAC go silent anytime soon as typically they are one of the top 4 or 5 stations in the Lancaster market, sometimes even hitting the #1 spot. Not bad for a religious station.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
I don't think you'll see WDAC go silent anytime soon as typically they are one of the top 4 or 5 stations in the Lancaster market, sometimes even hitting the #1 spot. Not bad for a religious station.
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Yeah, but it is Lancaster. It's a situation that works well there; and I do respect WDAC. Just wish it was silent o not on 94.5. It's amazing how PST and DAC are so close. Most second adjacant stations aren't even that close!
 
WDAC is a rareity for the Mid-Atlantic. It is kind of a "Bible-Belt" area. It's spot load has always been amazing. And as Mike points out, at times it is number one in its market.
 
RadioPhillyFan, however, I'd sure like it too, if one or the other weren't on 94.5 as it does mean I need to a translator to hear WDAC. So I think we both are in agreement for the same reason, just from the opposite side of the street. Would it be possible for WPST to move to 94.3 as they're the newer station on the block? The previous owner of Trenton 94.5 had been also a religious station. Or would that cause some other interference within the 60 mile radius on 94.3? That would be a simple fix, I think solving the problem for both groups of listeners.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
RadioPhillyFan, however, I'd sure like it too, if one or the other weren't on 94.5 as it does mean I need to a translator to hear WDAC. So I think we both are in agreement for the same reason, just from the opposite side of the street. Would it be possible for WPST to move to 94.3 as they're the newer station on the block? The previous owner of Trenton 94.5 had been also a religious station. Or would that cause some other interference within the 60 mile radius on 94.3? That would be a simple fix, I think solving the problem for both groups of listeners.
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Moving PST to 94.3 would shortspace them to WIP-FM. They MAY be able to get away on 94.7, they're far enough from DSD. I'm not sure about the amount of interference that would come out of that however near me in Marcus Hook or in Wilmington.

If Nassua fully drops all of their stations and whoever ends up with WPST, hopefully isn't someone like CBS, CC, Townsquare, Entercom, etc. They'd just pay WDAC (or buy them out essentially) to go silent and more then likely not maintain PST well (in otherwords, it'd be no better then Q102).

WDAC and WPST's fringe areas actually are merge, and their distant's hit their strong zones. It's a mess, If I won the megamillions I would have bribed the stations hurting the 94.9 in Philly from being used to downgrade or go silent and moved PST there. I also would have returned the 96.1 allocation to Wilmigton and started an alternative. Then bought 94.1 (with whatever CBS would take) and put WYSP back. Would have bought 103.9 and powered it up to as strong a Class A would allow and put a Pop leaning Dance CHR to protect PST from WIOQ and WRDW.
 
RadioPhillyFan said:
Moving PST to 94.3 would shortspace them to WIP-FM. They MAY be able to get away on 94.7, they're far enough from DSD. I'm not sure about the amount of interference that would come out of that however near me in Marcus Hook or in Wilmington.
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No, no, no, no....

(shakes head sadly and walks away...)
 
Scott Fybush said:
RadioPhillyFan said:
Moving PST to 94.3 would shortspace them to WIP-FM. They MAY be able to get away on 94.7, they're far enough from DSD. I'm not sure about the amount of interference that would come out of that however near me in Marcus Hook or in Wilmington.
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No, no, no, no....

(shakes head sadly and walks away...)
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I need to look up the sites, and I couldn't really do it from my phone.
Sorry... I'm guessing PST can't move anywhere.

(or was what I said first adjacent?)
 
This is the last time I'm going to engage on these specific points:

WPST cannot usefully move an inch from where it is, nor can it move to an adjacent channel. It is locked in not only by WDAC but by several other co- and adjacent-channel shortspacings, including WIP-FM, WIBG-FM and WFME.

WDAC cannot usefully move an inch from where it is, nor can it move to an adjacent channel. It is locked in not only by WPST but by several other co- and adjacent-channel shortspacings, including WIP-FM, WDSD, the 94.3 in Chambersburg and possibly even 94.7 in Washington.

Returning the licenses of either WPST or WDAC would not provide an upgrade path for the remaining station, since a vacant 94.5B allocation would remain on the books (and would remain protected from interference) in either Trenton or Lancaster.

There is no room for anything on 94.9 in Philadelphia, nor is there any economically viable way to shift existing stations to create one.

There was never a "96.1 allocation" in Wilmington. There was a station in Wilmington on 96.1 in the prehistoric days of FM, but by the time the current spacing rules and allocation table were established in 1964, there was no longer any room for a 96.1 in Wilmington, nor is there any economically viable way to shift existing stations to create one.

103.9 in Philadelphia operates with the maximum class A facility it's allowed to use. The spacings to 104.1 in Allentown and 103.7 at the shore preclude any possibility of an upgrade, as does the grandfathered third-adjacency to WRFF.

Philadelphia is in the middle of the most congested region of the country where the FM dial is concerned. There are so many grandfathered short-spacings interlocking with one another from Boston all the way down past Washington that any upgrade to any existing FM station along the northeast corridor is highly unlikely at this point.

Please try to understand that there are many of us here on these boards who actually do this stuff for a living. The likelihood that you're going to identify a potential new allocation in a top-10 market that has somehow gone unnoticed for nearly half a century is significantly lower than the likelihood that you won the big lottery last night. (And the lottery, even split three ways, would have rewarded you much more than identifying an FM move that might, at best, be worth a few tens of millions.)
 
Scott, the megamillions was only a dream. I'm aware that 94.9 wouldn't be able to move to Philadelphia without an incredibly large shutdown of adjancent FM's. Nobody is going to want to waste tens of millions of dollars to buy out FM's just to shut them down and create a 94.9... Ever... Other then me, who's lifelong dream is to operate my own 50kw Class B FM in Philadelphia.

Sometimes I get blinded by that dream and say stupid things. I'm also trying to get into the radio industry.
 
RadioPhillyFan said:
Sometimes I get blinded by that dream and say stupid things. I'm also trying to get into the radio industry.
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And I wish you the very best of luck in achieving that goal. I was once where you are now...and I learned pretty quickly that there were a lot of people out there in the industry willing to help me learn how to get ahead, just as soon as I was ready to learn from them.

If you're truly interested in learning about all the intricacies of FM allocations, you'll find there's plenty to learn. I've been in the business for more than 20 years now, and I'm still learning.
 
RadioPhillyFan, here's a GREAT place to start. I did. http://www.arrl.org/ (well, there was no internet then...it was 1970 for godsake! we called it "The library") But the ARRL books have all the regs and can explain WHY things can and can't be moved. Poke around here awhile. Good luck.
 
Did you follow this one??

"The 98.3 translator in Dover is now airing Black Gospel programming from WEHA "Gospel 88.7 FM" Port Republic, New Jersey. 98.3 had previously been a translator for 1600 AM (now WRJE) in Dover through several different formats. The 105.1 Milford translator is still airing programming from WRJE - which itself is simulcasting the Spanish format from 1260 in Newark and 1330 in Havre de Grace." <<<< You can't write comedy like this!!
 
Why is that comedy? 1600 was sold to the owner of 1260 AM. 98.3 and 105.1 serve the same area and can not rebroadcast the same programming in the same market. You work with WEHA and Bill and already know that information.
 
There gonna get caught! Your suppose to pick one and go dark with the other and sell it or lease it to someone local
where you can "Aircopy". Who wouldn't want the cash! Lease it out to someone local. Your not suppose to operate it as a separate local radio station.

WEHA is not breaking the law here, the owner of the translator will take the fall. They could repeat a station from
Bangor, Maine playing the sound effects of dogs farting for all I care.

I didn't start this thread....but it made me laugh out loud.

It's the Dover Pirate!
 
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