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Democracy Now comes to Rochester!

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raymond_shaw

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I'd already heard this through the local Rochester "left wing-communist-soft on terrorism-unpatriotic bastards" grapevine(which I'm proud to be a part of), but it's been posted on http://ltradio.blogspot.com/2007/02/post-franken-shuffle-part-2.html - -

>>>In Rochester, WROC moves Ed Schultz and Randi Rhodes into live afternoon slots, followed by a simulcast of WROC-TV's evening news (WROC-TV is seperately owned), followed by Rachel Maddow until 8PM. The station adds Democracy Now from 8-9PM, followed by two hours of Lionel and a simulcast of WROC-TV's late news. Lionel gets a replay for the late-night hours.

Metro Justice's efforts finally pay off.
 
Don't Hold Your Breath Re: Democracy Now

raymond_shaw said:
I'd already heard this through the local Rochester "left wing-communist-soft on terrorism-unpatriotic bastards" grapevine(which I'm proud to be a part of), but it's been posted on http://ltradio.blogspot.com/2007/02/post-franken-shuffle-part-2.html - -

>>>In Rochester, WROC moves Ed Schultz and Randi Rhodes into live afternoon slots, followed by a simulcast of WROC-TV's evening news (WROC-TV is seperately owned), followed by Rachel Maddow until 8PM. The station adds Democracy Now from 8-9PM, followed by two hours of Lionel and a simulcast of WROC-TV's late news. Lionel gets a replay for the late-night hours.

Metro Justice's efforts finally pay off.

Congratulations. Now the only problem is that your show is featured on a station with one of the worst nighttime signal patterns in the Rochester metro area. Maybe if you put some tin foil on your radio antenna, you might be able to hear Democracy Now. I hope that WROC-AM streams the show over the internet, otherwise good luck trying to hear it at least until the summer time when the nighttime pattern change is around 8:45 p.m.
Something else you might want to consider. WROC-AM is a station looking for a format. The question remains whether 950-AM will stick with Air America and liberal talk. Considering that station’s history, I wouldn’t bet money that either Democracy Now or Air America will be on the air in another year or two. Who knows by then Entercom might just sell the station to a group of plate passers or go Hispanic. I'm sure Silverstein is pleased with WROC's decision. Now he won't have you guys bugging him all the time about airing Democracy Now on WXXI and he can drive his new gas-guzzling SUV in comfort.
 
your show is featured on a station with one of the worst nighttime signal patterns in the Rochester metro area. Maybe if you put some tin foil on your radio antenna, you might be able to hear Democracy Now. I hope that WROC-AM streams the show over the internet,

Yes, we all know WROC's nighttime signal is weak. Steaming over the net? That's already being done on DN's website. And let's not forget DN being regularly pre-empted by Sabres games.

otherwise good luck trying to hear it at least until the summer time when the nighttime pattern change is around 8:45 p.m.

????? In the city and inner ring burbs I pick the station up fine at night...I don't need you to wish me luck. Signal problems start when you get out a ways.

The point is here in Rochester there are very few options. In Buffalo, there's a bunch of little AM stations you can approach for specialty programs of various kinds - WHLD, WBBF and WJJL all come to mind. Not the case here. Not much wiggle room. DN on at 8pm on WROC is still a presence in the market. Perhaps this will lead to a better timeslot somewhere, some time in the future.

WROC-AM is a station looking for a format. The question remains whether 950-AM will stick with Air America and liberal talk. Considering that station’s history, I wouldn’t bet money that either Democracy Now or Air America will be on the air in another year or two.

Agreed, but again not a lot of options. Actually, considering what limited interest there is in AM radio(especially low power AMs with bad signals) Entercom would be wise to stick with Progressive Talk - a small cult following is about the best they could ever expect(unless they want to go to leased time programming for the quick buck).

Expect DN to be on the Rochester airwaves, one way or another, for many years.

I'm sure Silverstein is pleased with WROC's decision. Now he won't have you guys bugging him all the time about airing Democracy Now on WXXI and he can drive his new gas-guzzling SUV in comfort.

And I hope the price of gas doesn't climb again this year. Norm may actually have to pay for the fuel for his free SUV :)
 
Democracy Now is an excellent and edgy journalistic progrram.
In the words of Adrian Monk: "It's a gift.....AND a curse".

DN will never gather large numbers of listeners no matter what signal it lives on.

Amy Goodman reminds me of my Aunt Chris.....who shows up at the house and lays out all family problems, issues and secrets unrelentingly and in our face. By the end of her visit I can't wait to crawl into a closet and open a vein.
It' all true, but after an hour I'd like Aunt Chris to let me hide behind some self delusion and like myself again.

I like my Aunt Chris.......but not every day.
 
Re: Don't Hold Your Breath Re: Democracy Now

The Voice of Reason said:
WROC-AM is a station looking for a format. The question remains whether 950-AM will stick with Air America and liberal talk. Considering that station’s history, I wouldn’t bet money that either Democracy Now or Air America will be on the air in another year or two. Who knows by then Entercom might just sell the station to a group of plate passers or go Hispanic. I'm sure Silverstein is pleased with WROC's decision. Now he won't have you guys bugging him all the time about airing Democracy Now on WXXI and he can drive his new gas-guzzling SUV in comfort.

This is nonsense. Less than a year ago, we heard from WROC itself that they were quite happy with Air America on WROC-AM. And the station has made efforts to cherry-pick a variety of shows, including the wise addition of Stephanie Miller. DN is a great improvement over the dreary nonsense they run from 8-10pm from AAR, and Thom Hartmann is not getting cleared in a lot of markets either. Randi Rhodes run live is also an improvement - her show is definitely drivetime anyway.

WROC will do far better with Air America than some Spanish language station fantasy that comes up here every few months. The station's biggest problem is the same one a lot of radio groups have when they throw AAR on an underpowered AM in the station cluster - no promotion and no ties to the local community. Could Entercom run promotions about WROC on their other local outlets in town? Yes. Do they? No. Could some of their talent on the FM side do something on WROC-AM from time to time that could drive FM listeners to WROC for a sample of something? Sure. Do they? No.
 
Capitalism comes to Rochester!

Could Entercom run promotions about WROC on their other local outlets in town? Yes. Do they? No. Could some of their talent on the FM side do something on WROC-AM from time to time that could drive FM listeners to WROC for a sample of something? Sure. Do they? No.

Could Entercom direct listeners away from their other stations and point them toward their low-rated peashooter? Sure. Should they? Why?

The idea is to take listeners away from the OTHER GUY'S station (WHAM), not your own stations. That means promotion in other media, which costs money, and we know that's not likely to happen. Maybe the Metro Justice folks can put up some cash to promote Democracy Now, and other programming that fits their political slant now that they've succeeded in getting DN on local radio.
 
Maybe the Metro Justice folks can put up some cash to promote Democracy Now, and other programming that fits their political slant now that they've succeeded in getting DN on local radio.

Time will tell ;)
 
Re: Don't Hold Your Breath Re: Democracy Now

Phillip Dampier said:
Less than a year ago, we heard from WROC itself that they were quite happy with Air America on WROC-AM. And the station has made efforts to cherry-pick a variety of shows, including the wise addition of Stephanie Miller. DN is a great improvement over the dreary nonsense they run from 8-10pm from AAR, and Thom Hartmann is not getting cleared in a lot of markets either. Randi Rhodes run live is also an improvement - her show is definitely drivetime anyway.

WROC will do far better with Air America than some Spanish language station fantasy that comes up here every few months. The station's biggest problem is the same one a lot of radio groups have when they throw AAR on an underpowered AM in the station cluster - no promotion and no ties to the local community. Could Entercom run promotions about WROC on their other local outlets in town? Yes. Do they? No. Could some of their talent on the FM side do something on WROC-AM from time to time that could drive FM listeners to WROC for a sample of something? Sure. Do they? No.

Sorry to disagree with you but in my humble opinion Entercom could give a rats-butt about WROC-AM. I base this on the fact that while the company pours money and talent into their two FM stations (WBEE and the Buzz) I've yet to see any ads for WROC-AM. Why? Entercom doesn't want to spend money on a latch-key operation, that's why.
And I will still state that WROC's history speaks for itself. It's a station searching for a format.
It wasn't that many years ago that Entercom was announcing to the world that they would be going after WHAM's audience by hiring Allen Harris as their morning host and airing conservative talk radio. That idea lasted what, two years? Harris is back on WHAM (part-time) and 950 switched over to liberal talk because their ratings were anemic. Trust me when I say that despite what management tells you to your face, if someone or some group came along tomorrow and offered to pay Entercom a great deal of money to buy 950-AM, they would sell it in a minute. And if that means dumping AA or DN, so be it.
 
alw said:
DN will never gather large numbers of listeners no matter what signal it lives on.
I disagree. WEOS in Geneva, as well as other stations across the country, has a very large and loyal audience for this program. However, WROC will be airing this program at 8PM. This already is a disadvantage, due to the post drive time drop in radio listening period, its possible preemption due to Sabres, Knighthawks, and Rattlers games, and to be honest, by 8PM, it can be outdated.
 
audio4tv said:
I disagree. WEOS in Geneva, as well as other stations across the country, has a very large and loyal audience for this program. However, WROC will be airing this program at 8PM. This already is a disadvantage, due to the post drive time drop in radio listening period, its possible preemption due to Sabres, Knighthawks, and Rattlers games, and to be honest, by 8PM, it can be outdated.
Why do you think WROC-AM is airing the program at that hour? If they truly cared about having a solid audience, they would air the show before 6pm. This was just an attempt by the radio station to placate to the DN crowd. WXXI could have carried the show for an hour instead of repeating that boring Bob Smith program. But as the DN crowd discovered, Silverstein is no fan of that show. Just remember that the next time Silverstein and company go on the air begging for your money during their every-other month pledge drives.
 
Re: Capitalism comes to Rochester!

SirRoxalot said:
Could Entercom run promotions about WROC on their other local outlets in town? Yes. Do they? No. Could some of their talent on the FM side do something on WROC-AM from time to time that could drive FM listeners to WROC for a sample of something? Sure. Do they? No.

Could Entercom direct listeners away from their other stations and point them toward their low-rated peashooter? Sure. Should they? Why?

Clear Channel does it all the time. I've heard plenty of promos for other stations in the group on CC stations. I remember learning about 1280 when they switched to "hot talk" by the promos they ran for it on 1180. When they switched to sports talk, it was extremely common to hear discussions about sports stuff over on 1280 on the sports-oriented talk they ran on 1180.

And, as far as spending money on outside promotions, I'll use Entercom's salespeople's own arguments on this point - you have to spend money (on advertising) to earn money. Highway advisory radio stations get more promotion than most radio clusters spend on their smaller AM's.

It wasn't that many years ago that Entercom was announcing to the world that they would be going after WHAM's audience by hiring Allen Harris as their morning host and airing conservative talk radio. That idea lasted what, two years? Harris is back on WHAM (part-time) and 950 switched over to liberal talk because their ratings were anemic. Trust me when I say that despite what management tells you to your face, if someone or some group came along tomorrow and offered to pay Entercom a great deal of money to buy 950-AM, they would sell it in a minute. And if that means dumping AA or DN, so be it.

The problem with WROC's conservative format was that they had a lineup of the second tier hosts that would never be able to best WHAM, and considering a lot of the conservative base is out in the regional areas where WROC could only dream of reaching, no surprises that the station went nowhere. Air America is targeting a younger demographic than most conservative talk reaches, but they're doing it on AM with no promotion. When the under 30-crowd doesn't even know what the AM button is for, they've got built-in problems already. There are a number of libtalk outlets that do promotion - Stephanie Miller has billboards promoting her show and they've attracted an entirely new audience that never knew these stations existed. In most cases, the only promotion a lot of libtalk stations get are brief mentions in the local press when they launch the format. And again, considering audience figures for newspapers and even TV news for younger folks, that's not going to help much either.

You are going to have to spend some money to get some money back in the form of some higher ratings.

And as far as accepting a great deal of cash to dump the station, I'd say that is true of virtually every radio station on the air these days. Put up enough cash and you'll find a seller.

Why do you think WROC-AM is airing the program at that hour? If they truly cared about having a solid audience, they would air the show before 6pm. This was just an attempt by the radio station to placate to the DN crowd. WXXI could have carried the show for an hour instead of repeating that boring Bob Smith program. But as the DN crowd discovered, Silverstein is no fan of that show. Just remember that the next time Silverstein and company go on the air begging for your money during their every-other month pledge drives.

The problem is you are again talking about displacing Randi Rhodes, who is now live 3-6, and who has the capacity to draw far larger audiences than DN can. There honestly isn't a lot of space for the show on WROC except in the evenings, and yes, pre-emptions will be an issue. It was for Randi when she was timeshifted. But having it somewhere on the dial is better than nowhere.

And there was little/no risk of dumping EcoTalk or the other throwaway stuff AAR put at 8pm for DN.
 
I think WROC now has it's best - or should I say - most marketable lineup. Bill Press in the morning is their weakest link. If only Stephanie Miller could move her show to New York(or start at 3am PT) and become the official national progressive morning show(she might not care for either option). It would be nice if eventually DN could be moved to 6-7pm(and the 6pm news simulcast dropped). In the latest ratings, they are in a dead heat with WHTK(which has a better signal) - I think they could get anywhere from perhaps a 1.7 to 2.0 if they just would promote a little.

That said, it's too bad Entercom can't make a barter ad exchange deal with City Newspaper(that's the local alt weekly in Rochester for you out of towners). WROC has so many avails(they used to run free Metro Justice ads seeminly non stop) I think City would get the better of the deal - for one display ad in their paper per week they could get hourly ads on WROC for their classified ad department, their website, their dating ads, etc. Perhaps Entercom already approached them on this and the answer was no. If so, they should reconsider.
 
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