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Democracy Radio: Something coming?

Re: Democracy Radio: Out of Business!

> As you continue filter the world through the distorted prism
> of self-righteousness, you failed to notice my post was more
> than 48 hours before your reply. When I posted it was down.
> By the time you posted, Athans had put up his "I'm outta
> here, turn off the lights notice" - basically confirming my
> supposition of two days earlier (kudos to me).

How sad the only one patting you on the back for these Drudge-like breaking news reports is you. It's not being self-righteous to run through a series of reports from your SpecuPlex(tm) and indicate they aren't exactly "run to the phones and stop the presses" breaking news.

> Apparently anything you don't want to hear you categorize as
> "negativity." A form of denial common to political true
> believers. Talk about strange bedfellows: The
> administration reacts the same way to any criticism.

Unlike so many on the other side who loves to censor things, I don't have the slightest problem with you posting whatever you want. I even read a lot of your messages and judge them individually. But don't expect sloppy speculation to play as news.

> What do you have against Alan Colmes? I STRONGLY SUSPECT
> you have never listened to his RADIO program. You keep
> bashing me but any specific comments you make have to do
> with Hannity and Colmes.

Disagreeing with you is now "bashing?" I hear Alan Colmes all the time - he's still on the AAR channel on XM. Alan Colmes is the Vichy of libtalk show hosts. He's a collaborator with the Fox propaganda machine and is totally impotent on television and then comes out from under his shell on his radio show where he is more effective. But he's on a network that openly mocks him as a member of the looney left, and that includes his radio show. If he wants respect from the liberal community he needs to quit Fox and get a real job.

> Apparently, his main sin on TV is he is not nasty enough for you.

I expect him to stand up to the crap Hannity shovels and actually dare to speak up with some facts. Instead we get Hannity dominating the show, the topics, and the BS and Colmes gets to lead out to the commercial breaks. Oooh. There is a reason Alan Colmes is almost universally derided by the libtalk community.

> BTW: If you criticize Alan Colmes radio show based on his TV
> show, you give up the right to complain if anybody knocks
> Jerry Springer based on his TV work.

I don't care for Jerry Springer. He has more baggage that USAir.

> As OA pointed out, there is lots of doubt Stephanie Miller
> would move into mornings at AAR. She has a show produced by
> another company and distributed by Jones Radio, and NO DOUBT
> she has contracts with both them. Jones Radio already
> syndicates a show in East Coast morning drive: Bill Press.

Bill Press evokes a "who?" from most people in the business. I have nothing against the guy but Miller could do a lot better for a network like AAR than Morning Sedition.

> * They got Thom Hartmann to sign with their syndication
> division, although they have little incentive to sell him to
> stations up against their marquee show (Franken). (The only
> explanation here that makes sense is AAR knows Franken is
> leaving and they promised Hartmann his slot.)

Franken isn't running for a few more years and Hartmann is not the best replacement choice for him. He needs some more grooming. I like Hartmann (especially after getting Dick Morris to hang up on him during an interview), but he needs more time in the oven.

> And no, there is not a lot of room to grow. Political talk
> is on the way out (conservative and liberal). AAR and DR
> were a decade late and several million short. And they were
> incredibly stupid to think talk shows CHANGE anybody's mind
> about anything.

This is nonsense. Talk radio ratings ebb and flow with the news. It's like CNN. Nobody watches when the lead story is about Pakistan earthquake relief, but when Katrina hits, ratings explode. Limbaugh had quite an impact - Newt Gingrich said he was instrumental in the 1994 takeover of the House.

> I await your next nastygram. And, of course, I expect you
> will continue arrogantly to inject you jibes in between
> paragraphs, as if you were a teacher correcting a paper.

Sorry, there are no free passes for the libtalk critics who want to throw a lot of baseless charges on the table and are shocked to discover people will call them on it.
 
Re: Democracy Radio: Out of Business!

Druge - 2nd reference. Sorry, I don't get it. I don't listen to him (I guess you do). I read his website a couple of times when he first started getting attention, but that was a long time ago and I don't remember much. I assume this intended as an insult.

"Sloppy speculation" (played as news)? You do believe in killing messengers! Bad news = somebody with an axe to grind. However, my speculation was not sloppy and it turned about to be an accurate reading of what was - in fact - happening. My speculation was three days ahead of the announcement.

I listened to Alan Colmes last week, just to see what all the put-downs were about. Not exactly my cup of tea, but I did not see him as as tepid as you do. Your complaint now seems to be the company which syndicates his show, not the show itself.

Yes, Steph is better known than Bill Press. She got royally screwed when AAR latched onto Jerry Springer to replace the DOA "Unfiltered" (just as Steph was starting to build momentum). Possibly she has no love-lost for AAR and would not be in a hurry to sign with them.

AAR must have really paid Jerry off last winter to land the show (he was also starting to do OK without AAR). Then again, maybe AAR was the only option:
* Tom Athans was already inactive.
* Jones was/is in-bed with AAR and maybe did not compete for syndication rights to the show.
* Premiere (the logical choice to syndicate Springer and Hartmann) has stayed out of progressive talk syndication. Maybe they are just waiting for AAR to run out of money again, so they can pick up all the marbles dirt cheap.

I didn't say anything about Franken running for anything. That's your line. I said Franken might be leaving. People leave radio jobs without running for public office. Happens all the time. Look at Mark Maron (good riddance). Please stop adding you stuff to what I post and then claiming I said it.
 
The Six-Hour Stephanie Miller Show? Not Quite...

> As OA pointed out, there is lots of doubt Stephanie Miller
> would move into mornings at AAR. She has a show produced by
> another company and distributed by Jones Radio, and NO DOUBT
> she has contracts with both them.

Not only that, she also has a contract with Clear Channel/Los Angeles, where her existing show is also the live/local morning show on libtalker KTLK/1150. I'll presume that this contract is similar to the local contract TRN's Michael Savage has with KNEW/910 in his home market of San Francisco, though Savage's is probably somewhat larger, financially. :)

And unless Steph, Jim Ward and Chris Lavoie are willing to do six straight hours of talk radio each and every day, the show won't be replacing "Morning Sedition" anywhere in ET.

Of course, right now, AAR Syndication's Thom Hartmann does much the same, doing a three-hour live/local only show for KPOJ/Portland, then his three-hour national show immediately thereafter (9-noon PT/12-3 ET). One wonders how long THAT will last, before Thom says "enough!"...

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: Democracy Radio: Out of Business!

> Franken isn't running for a few more years and Hartmann is
> not the best replacement choice for him. He needs some more
> grooming. I like Hartmann (especially after getting Dick
> Morris to hang up on him during an interview), but he needs
> more time in the oven.
>

I often agree with you, but this is one exception.

Hartmann's been around a very long time. He was one of the I.E. America Network hosts (along with Malloy). I like his show, but it is a bit more cerebral than others. I like it better than Franken, but I'm not really a fan of Franken's show.

And Hartmann syndicated his show on his own prior to coming under the AAR umbrella and following the demise of I.E. America. He made it available to commercial outlets, public radio and even webcasters on a barter basis (for commercial outlets, anyways). Even built up a few affiliates this way before moving to Portland.<P ID="signature">______________
The Liberal Talk Radio Update</P>
 
Experience

>
> Franken isn't running for a few more years and Hartmann is
> not the best replacement choice for him. He needs some more
> grooming. I like Hartmann (especially after getting Dick
> Morris to hang up on him during an interview), but he needs
> more time in the oven.
>

Finally! You acknowledge "time in the oven" (aka experience) is necessary to do good talk radio at the major market or national level. But you keep banging the drum for AAR and their staff of mostly "ungroomed" amateurs, qualified only because they dabbled on the edges of liberal politics and some of minor league name recognition.

If Hartmann needs "time in the oven," that makes Franken the unbaked Pillsbury Doughboy (with glasses), who had never been near an oven. Not only is there some resemblence between the Doughboy and Franken, both are from Minnesota.

In addition to grooming, Franken needed speech therapy to correct his pronounced nasal resonance before he even considered a career in radio. And he says he is from Minnesota but he doesn't talk like he's from Minnesota.
 
The "Deep" Stephanie Miller Show

> Stephanie is first rate talent. I was a big fan of hers
> when she had a show on KFI about eight years ago. I am
> troubled about her current show. Aside from the syndication
> problem she faces (i.e. how are they going to fit her in if
> Jerry Springer is getting the first bite of the apple.) he
> show is not very deep.

Well, I actually LIKE the fact it is not very "heavy", frankly.

You and I come, likely, from different viewpoints here. I'm not really a fan of ANY talk show that gets a little too deep into party politics and "newsy" information. If I want news, I'll tune to news broadcasts.

I primarily tune to talk radio for entertainment. That's really what their primary goal is...all of 'em, from Steph to Randi Rhodes to Rush Limbaugh to even O'Reilly.

Since I'm not an activist, and am there solely for the entertainment, Steph delivers for me when it comes to the left side of the radio talk equation. Randi does at times as well, though there are times she gets a bit too heavy into the "red meat for libtalk listeners" category for this moderate who's only listening to smile and laugh.

As "light" as her approach is, Steph's probably the best bet to aim at a broader audience. If only the Trash TV King weren't in her way, time slot wise...

Just FYI, on the right, I dip into and out of Glenn Beck depending on how "serious, patriotic American" he gets. But conservative talk wise, local midday host Howie Chizek (WNIR/Akron) and his "zingers" are more likely to get me than Beck. Howie's made a 30-plus-year career out of saying outrageous things to callers, some of which he says seriously, some of which he throws out there to have fun, and it works.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Thom Hartmann

> Hartmann's been around a very long time. He was one of the
> I.E. America Network hosts (along with Malloy). I like his
> show, but it is a bit more cerebral than others. I like it
> better than Franken, but I'm not really a fan of Franken's
> show.

I certainly recognize that, but Hartmann's experience is kind of low-end, IMHO. He did a show out of his home in Vermont for a tiny talk radio network with a handful of mostly small market affiliates. His two biggest markets before moving to Portland to do the local show were Pittsburgh and Grand Rapids - both fairly recent additions. All the others, you could barely find on a map.

His former i.e. Network stablemate, Mike Malloy, had experience at big stations like WSB/Atlanta and WLS/Chicago.

Libtalk is a different ballgame now. Hartmann was in the low minor leagues, basically, before the format caught on nationwide, and before he took the KPOJ morning gig. (The willingness to "sell" the show to Internet webmasters was a good sign of what level his national show was playing on.)

Hartmann is a bit too cerebral for the current state of the format, as you note, but (bleep) it, the first thing AAR Syndication should have done was revamp his theme music, and change the cheesy, small market "deep voice" announcer who introduces his show. Yipes. That combination SCREAMS "we're doing this show on a shoestring!"...

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: Experience

> Finally! You acknowledge "time in the oven" (aka
> experience) is necessary to do good talk radio at the major
> market or national level.

You don't read my messages then. I've never been very impressed with Franken or the Morning Sedition or Springer or even Majority Report. The shows I enjoy the most from AAR are Randi Rhodes and Mike Malloy. I don't need to bash the network because I don't worship all of the talent.
 
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