Well, Dennis and Callahan are still at it. After the Metco mess, they started targeting gays. Now, they have switched over to transgender people. Spent a good half hour downing Chaz this morning. I'm getting a little tired of them not talking sports and taking time to put down groups of people instead. Guess if I get a ratings services diary, WEEI will not be an entry.
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Increasingly....D&C are reminding me of the two grumpy old men from "The Muppet Show"...Statler & Waldorf...constantly carping and generally miserable.
Maybe this is partly why Toucher & Rich are doing pretty well in the morning drive slot.
Maybe this is partly why Toucher & Rich are doing pretty well in the morning drive slot.
dhoule said:
Uhh...never mind.
Tuned in for a bit yesterday morning around 6:30, and Callahan was trying to convince anyone listening that there is not a single person rooting against the Red Sox next season more than Theo. Dennis pointed out (correctly in my opinion) that was a crazy idea b/c next year's team will still be a reflection of Theo's reign as GM. Gerry wouldn't budge an inch, and Curt Schilling ended up calling him out on it via Twitter and appearing on the show.
Honestly, I can't think of anyone more obsessed with the idea of revenge than Callahan. Guy must watch Braveheart six times a week.
Curt's tweet:
Honestly, I can't think of anyone more obsessed with the idea of revenge than Callahan. Guy must watch Braveheart six times a week.
Curt's tweet:
http://twitter.com/#!/gehrig38
thank god for T&R...
Theo's ad also ran in Gerry's paper, the Herald (a day later).
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ArtSpooner
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I know how you feel. I can't stand Felger or Mustard & Johnson. So I don't listen to them. Actually, I guess maybe I don't know how you feel.dhoule said:
ArtSpooner said:
You know, ordinarily when a morning show on a sports station does non sports talk of some sort it's about something the audience CARES about or would pique their interest usually that's women, sex, drinking, gambling, that sort of thing.
NO ONE listens to a sports talk station for political commentary, NO ONE!
It has nothing to do with disagreeing with the views they express but rather what is going to keep the audience listening, if you're not talking about sports than you better be talking about something the men who listen and who are your target demographic will be engaged by, interested in.
I don't know how management at WEEI allows these 2 to go on and on politically, if they want to do that go hang with Howie Carr on WRKO or go over to WTKK but doing political talk is just not going to win or keep listeners.
T&R over at the hub are not the strongest sports show in sports radio in the country but they stick to the things that GUYS want to hear & talk about.
I worked for years in sports radio in other markets and the ONLY time we ever talked about politics is if there was a stadium finance issue on a ballot and even then we didn't get partisan at all but we did share what we thought should be done voting wise other than that we were always told NO POLITICAL TALK!!!!
We were told that because that's NOT what people tune into the station for!
The idea is that they want to try something different in mornings and perhaps bring in an audience
that might be interested in politics, current events, etc. They did this years ago with having Imus on
then Jason Wolfe figured he could lose Imus and move D&C (who had been on at 10 am I think)
into morning drive. Local not national. Some sports talk, some other talk. For many years it has worked
though the competition from Sports Hub has affected them.
>>NO ONE listens to a sports talk station for political commentary, NO ONE!
For many ratings periods, they did draw quite a few listeners with just that. Some people, again,
might be interested in politics AND sports, etc. Otherwise their ratings would have stunk and they
would have either tried someone else or had them talk strictly sports. AM and PM drive are
important. Hence, for all the talk about D&C's politics or people screaming over each other on
Glenn & Holley--as long as they draw ratings, and in a good demo, you will keep hearing it.
The politics has worked in Boston. The old saying is the two favorite pastimes in Boston are
politics, and revenge. If D&C's ratings get down to what Jeff Santos does on WWZN, or if they
find more people listen to pirate stations, it will change. So far D&C hold their own when it comes
to ratings and billing. If T&R are getting great ratings with what they do, great! More power to em.
But things at Entercom stay the same and they have their reasons for keeping it as is. Not that
Entercom always does the right decision--I maintain that when the Sports Hub was announced,
"coming in 3 weeks", they should have scooped them and put WEEI on 93.7 right then and there.
They are reactive not proactive. WBZ-FM is the prime reason they started the FM simulcast.
They took far too long to pull the string. As for D&C, they have their reasons...
that might be interested in politics, current events, etc. They did this years ago with having Imus on
then Jason Wolfe figured he could lose Imus and move D&C (who had been on at 10 am I think)
into morning drive. Local not national. Some sports talk, some other talk. For many years it has worked
though the competition from Sports Hub has affected them.
>>NO ONE listens to a sports talk station for political commentary, NO ONE!
For many ratings periods, they did draw quite a few listeners with just that. Some people, again,
might be interested in politics AND sports, etc. Otherwise their ratings would have stunk and they
would have either tried someone else or had them talk strictly sports. AM and PM drive are
important. Hence, for all the talk about D&C's politics or people screaming over each other on
Glenn & Holley--as long as they draw ratings, and in a good demo, you will keep hearing it.
The politics has worked in Boston. The old saying is the two favorite pastimes in Boston are
politics, and revenge. If D&C's ratings get down to what Jeff Santos does on WWZN, or if they
find more people listen to pirate stations, it will change. So far D&C hold their own when it comes
to ratings and billing. If T&R are getting great ratings with what they do, great! More power to em.
But things at Entercom stay the same and they have their reasons for keeping it as is. Not that
Entercom always does the right decision--I maintain that when the Sports Hub was announced,
"coming in 3 weeks", they should have scooped them and put WEEI on 93.7 right then and there.
They are reactive not proactive. WBZ-FM is the prime reason they started the FM simulcast.
They took far too long to pull the string. As for D&C, they have their reasons...
Raccoon do you HONESTLY think that people who listen to a sports station want to hear about politics?
Or at least hear nothing but a right wing point of view?
Now I know you're a Herald reader and conservative based upon the postings you put on this board but really think about what your demographic for WEEI is - men 25-54 who want to listen for sports, now if you wanted to expand that audience to casual sports fans or women politics is NOT the way to go, just isn't.
If someone wants to hear political talk they'll go to a station that broadcasts that, when I was living back home in Boston the minute D&C started talking politics I would switch the station to something, ANYTHING else! I did so because I wanted to hear sports on a SPORTS station - novel idea eh? Sure once I flipped the dial I wasn't going to get sports on another station but I figured if I wasn't going to get sports talk at that moment anything would be better than political talk.
Now, I'm more politically active but I STILL wouldn't want to hear politics being talked about on the station I tune to for SPORTS talk!!!!! Now granted I also don't like the entertainment stuff too but I realize they have to do it attract casual sports fans and women too but I firmly believe no matter what city you're in that politics is not going to attract listeners to a sports station.
If anything I think it narrows the audience because those who don't share that political view aren't going to want to stick around and listen, sure you'll get the conservatives sticking around (in the case of D&C) but other than that you're going to get people flipping the dial.
I would say this even if D&C took the liberal side of any political argument, I just don't think it wins and or keeps listeners on a sports station.
Or at least hear nothing but a right wing point of view?
Now I know you're a Herald reader and conservative based upon the postings you put on this board but really think about what your demographic for WEEI is - men 25-54 who want to listen for sports, now if you wanted to expand that audience to casual sports fans or women politics is NOT the way to go, just isn't.
If someone wants to hear political talk they'll go to a station that broadcasts that, when I was living back home in Boston the minute D&C started talking politics I would switch the station to something, ANYTHING else! I did so because I wanted to hear sports on a SPORTS station - novel idea eh? Sure once I flipped the dial I wasn't going to get sports on another station but I figured if I wasn't going to get sports talk at that moment anything would be better than political talk.
Now, I'm more politically active but I STILL wouldn't want to hear politics being talked about on the station I tune to for SPORTS talk!!!!! Now granted I also don't like the entertainment stuff too but I realize they have to do it attract casual sports fans and women too but I firmly believe no matter what city you're in that politics is not going to attract listeners to a sports station.
If anything I think it narrows the audience because those who don't share that political view aren't going to want to stick around and listen, sure you'll get the conservatives sticking around (in the case of D&C) but other than that you're going to get people flipping the dial.
I would say this even if D&C took the liberal side of any political argument, I just don't think it wins and or keeps listeners on a sports station.
.......do you HONESTLY think that people who listen to a sports station want to hear about politics?...
Yes, he does.
And he's right, of course. It's a question that answers itself.
You have people who listen to a sports station confused with folks who listen to D&C, whose show happens to be carried on a sports station Radio is a 'habit medium.' None of D&Cs listeners are tuning in and saying to themselves "what, they're going to talk about sports plus politics and current events? WTF ? I'm going to give them another 5 or 6 years to knock it off, or I'm switching to Mike & Mike"
This ain't exactly rocket science.
Regards,
TSB
Yes, he does.
And he's right, of course. It's a question that answers itself.
You have people who listen to a sports station confused with folks who listen to D&C, whose show happens to be carried on a sports station Radio is a 'habit medium.' None of D&Cs listeners are tuning in and saying to themselves "what, they're going to talk about sports plus politics and current events? WTF ? I'm going to give them another 5 or 6 years to knock it off, or I'm switching to Mike & Mike"
This ain't exactly rocket science.
Regards,
TSB
And if you don't want to hear them discuss politics, there are other choices for talk, music, etc. I am simply saying that this is what they've done and they've found success with it and once they don't have
success, then you will see a change. WEEI and WBZ-FM will have various successes and failures in
different time slots and with different demos (one 6+ rating had Sports Hub getting ratings over
14 times higher than EEI!). Each team has 2 major sports (well, Sports Hub also has the one where
people run up and down the field over and over and once in a great while someone scores a gooooooooooooooooal, too) teams, their own hosts, etc. and while the Herald and Globe articles
about the "great sports radio war" will inevitably have comments by people complaining about
various hosts, etc., there still will be a considerable amount of people who will tune in even
if you think they'd be crazy to listen to a show that delves into politics. "Who in the world would
want to listen to that crap on WEEI?" ---Some people do.
Judith Crist of the NY Times once said, "Nixon won? I don't know anybody who voted for him!" Well,
sure, nobody SHE knew did, but SOME folks did. Similarly, you might think nobody would want to
hear D&C mix in the politics but clearly some do.
Perhaps WWZN could have Santos do a morning show where he talks about sports and mixes
in left wing politics. ("Today's topic: Why should we keep score? Isn't it unfair for one team to win?"
...Don't laugh. In some schools they DON'T keep score because it might hurt the widdle
kids' feelings....)
And if you do what to hear poli-talk, there is indeed WRKO, WWZN, WTKK, etc. But WEEI--and
this is their decision, not mine--chooses to mix in the politics on WEEI.
As one line of an ad for Accountemps once put it, "We do things that way because...this is
the way we do things." Exactly. It has worked for WEEI over the years and if the ratings
got lower than whale excrement (some say they already are), perhaps there would be a change.
Talk to Mr Wolfe about it, I've said my piece. And hey, wasn't that a heck of a game tonight?
I was able to actually hear it because WEEI is now on FM and I could hear it at work!
You see, they finally discovered there's this new broadcast band called FM with signals
that won't be obliterated by interference.
It's really...groovy.
success, then you will see a change. WEEI and WBZ-FM will have various successes and failures in
different time slots and with different demos (one 6+ rating had Sports Hub getting ratings over
14 times higher than EEI!). Each team has 2 major sports (well, Sports Hub also has the one where
people run up and down the field over and over and once in a great while someone scores a gooooooooooooooooal, too) teams, their own hosts, etc. and while the Herald and Globe articles
about the "great sports radio war" will inevitably have comments by people complaining about
various hosts, etc., there still will be a considerable amount of people who will tune in even
if you think they'd be crazy to listen to a show that delves into politics. "Who in the world would
want to listen to that crap on WEEI?" ---Some people do.
Judith Crist of the NY Times once said, "Nixon won? I don't know anybody who voted for him!" Well,
sure, nobody SHE knew did, but SOME folks did. Similarly, you might think nobody would want to
hear D&C mix in the politics but clearly some do.
Perhaps WWZN could have Santos do a morning show where he talks about sports and mixes
in left wing politics. ("Today's topic: Why should we keep score? Isn't it unfair for one team to win?"
...Don't laugh. In some schools they DON'T keep score because it might hurt the widdle
kids' feelings....)
And if you do what to hear poli-talk, there is indeed WRKO, WWZN, WTKK, etc. But WEEI--and
this is their decision, not mine--chooses to mix in the politics on WEEI.
As one line of an ad for Accountemps once put it, "We do things that way because...this is
the way we do things." Exactly. It has worked for WEEI over the years and if the ratings
got lower than whale excrement (some say they already are), perhaps there would be a change.
Talk to Mr Wolfe about it, I've said my piece. And hey, wasn't that a heck of a game tonight?
I was able to actually hear it because WEEI is now on FM and I could hear it at work!
You see, they finally discovered there's this new broadcast band called FM with signals
that won't be obliterated by interference.
It's really...groovy.
For the record, someone was attacking John Dennis on twitter a couple weeks ago about being a political show and Dennis's comeback was "pay attention, haven't talked politics in 6 months!".
Which as far as tossing out the occasional one liner, seems true.
Which as far as tossing out the occasional one liner, seems true.
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ArtSpooner
Guest
In Susan Sontag's world NO ONE voted for Nixon in 1972 either. The fact remains that D&C have been at or near the top of the heap for over a decade. If you actually listen to the show you'll hear that most of the content is sports. They veer off on Callahan's rants every so often, but the show is primarily sports. People scream about the politics because here in the bluest of blue states their views are unpopular. At one point they had a segment called "Headlines" that deliberatly steered them into political discussion, so they must have felt that SOMEONE wanted to hear it.
As some congressman once said about pornography, "I know it when I see it", I know a sports show when I hear it. D&C is a sports show, T&R is an entertainment show. I haven't listened to them much but T&R seem to be a couple of funny and talented guys who put together a lot of entertaining bits, but very little sports. I know that D&C have extensive sports backgrounds. Conversely, I know that T&R have no sports background. Just because Callahan is a Republican, don't say it isn't a sports show.
Ask yourself this, if Opie and Anthony or Stern were to come back into the Boston market, whose listeners would they take?
As some congressman once said about pornography, "I know it when I see it", I know a sports show when I hear it. D&C is a sports show, T&R is an entertainment show. I haven't listened to them much but T&R seem to be a couple of funny and talented guys who put together a lot of entertaining bits, but very little sports. I know that D&C have extensive sports backgrounds. Conversely, I know that T&R have no sports background. Just because Callahan is a Republican, don't say it isn't a sports show.
Ask yourself this, if Opie and Anthony or Stern were to come back into the Boston market, whose listeners would they take?
Certainly fans of O&A and Stern who want to hear them and are willing to pay a few bucks are
hearing them now via sat-radio.
hearing them now via sat-radio.
Sheesh.
Entercom doesn't let two talk show hosts decide the direction of one of its properties. If they did sports mixed with politics, it's because the research told them they should do sports mixed with politics. Yes, from time to time they had to be reigned in, but then again sometimes beautiful music jocks get a little blabby and need to be reigned in.
A competitor means the results of the research may well have changed. But if politics mixed in with the sports, it's because there was an empirical reason for doing it, and it undeniably worked for a long time. It might not work in a changed marketplace but it was successful for a long time.
Entercom doesn't let two talk show hosts decide the direction of one of its properties. If they did sports mixed with politics, it's because the research told them they should do sports mixed with politics. Yes, from time to time they had to be reigned in, but then again sometimes beautiful music jocks get a little blabby and need to be reigned in.
A competitor means the results of the research may well have changed. But if politics mixed in with the sports, it's because there was an empirical reason for doing it, and it undeniably worked for a long time. It might not work in a changed marketplace but it was successful for a long time.
Then perhaps during D&C's broadcasts WEEI should drop any ID's identifying themselves as "Sports radio 850 WEEI".
I would also like to point out that not EVERY sports fan who tunes into a sports station & doesn't want to hear political talk is a "meathead" but rather at that point in the day he or she would like to hear SPORTS on a "Sports talk station" really, is that so difficult to understand?'
I understand that WFAN had Imus but aparently Imus isn't on WFAN anymore and it wasn't just because of the
"Nappy headed Hoes" comment either it was because his ratings were dropping because of competition by WEPN which was getting a head start on WFAN in the mornings on the days sports news and that is what sports fans wanted to hear - sports!
If they wanted political talk there were lots of other choices but anyone who said they go to Don Imus for actual political talk/insight or to hear "funny bits" was just fooling themselves, they were listening because he was well known and was a name not because he had compelling, interesting or funny programming.
I'm sure Raccoon and some of the rest of the right wingers on here will defend Imus because that's what right wingers do, they fall in line & that's all well and good if that's what you want to do but for me when I tune into a sports station that's what I want to hear - sports talk.
I'll also say this, even when D&C DO talk sports it's not particularly stimulating, it's usually them ripping on athlete for something foolish or Gerry going on one of his nonsensical rants.
Deno hasn't been a "credible" sports caster since he left channel 7 which is too bad because he used to be my choice for sports when he was on TV and when he first joined WEEI but I just grew tired of the direction of the show and would listen to other things until the mid day show started.
I would also like to point out that not EVERY sports fan who tunes into a sports station & doesn't want to hear political talk is a "meathead" but rather at that point in the day he or she would like to hear SPORTS on a "Sports talk station" really, is that so difficult to understand?'
I understand that WFAN had Imus but aparently Imus isn't on WFAN anymore and it wasn't just because of the
"Nappy headed Hoes" comment either it was because his ratings were dropping because of competition by WEPN which was getting a head start on WFAN in the mornings on the days sports news and that is what sports fans wanted to hear - sports!
If they wanted political talk there were lots of other choices but anyone who said they go to Don Imus for actual political talk/insight or to hear "funny bits" was just fooling themselves, they were listening because he was well known and was a name not because he had compelling, interesting or funny programming.
I'm sure Raccoon and some of the rest of the right wingers on here will defend Imus because that's what right wingers do, they fall in line & that's all well and good if that's what you want to do but for me when I tune into a sports station that's what I want to hear - sports talk.
I'll also say this, even when D&C DO talk sports it's not particularly stimulating, it's usually them ripping on athlete for something foolish or Gerry going on one of his nonsensical rants.
Deno hasn't been a "credible" sports caster since he left channel 7 which is too bad because he used to be my choice for sports when he was on TV and when he first joined WEEI but I just grew tired of the direction of the show and would listen to other things until the mid day show started.
GenXRadio said:
Really?? If Greg Hill or Mistress Carrie talks about Brittney Spears' antics, WAAF shouldn't refer to themselves as Boston's Rock Station? If Matty or Jackson Blue talks about something crazy Axl Rose may do, they shouldn't call themselves Boston's Hit Music Station?
By your rant, it's easy to tell you're not a fan of D&C and those who fall right on the political spectrum, but that comment about not calling themselves Sports Radio because they may talk about something else is laughable.
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