Yes, the sirens could (and perhaps should) have been used. Unfortunately, sirens wouldn't have stopped the fire and destruction. A few lives could have possibly been spared, but we'll never know...
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Devastating wildfires on Maui kill 6, destroy Lahaina
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So, you're okay with activating tsunami sirens for a fire that was blocking the tsunami routes?
Not my call. Some of the residents are the ones who think the sirens should have sounded. Maybe they are wrong. I don't think the sirens would have helped much, but opinions differ...
My take on that is that the people needed something to wake them up at 3AM. As it was, the only warning they got was from smoke, and it was too late.
Death toll in Lahaina wildfire rises to 106 as county begins to release identities of victims
“We are heartsick that we’ve had such loss."
www.hawaiinewsnow.com
President Obama urges people to ‘malama’ and help Maui victims
As the search, recovery and assistance efforts on Maui continue, former President Barack Obama is urging Americans to help take care of the communities devastated by fires last week.
www.khon2.com
Unless Hawaii really had an alert system specific to wildfires and had training to watch out for dry brush leading up to the wildfires. But the search for the dead continues at this time. Also who knows what the State of Hawaii could have done to prevent/reduce risk to the fires prior to this one. Then again the state of Hawaii may not have known the risk of the Hawaiian version of Santa Ana Winds hitting their area.
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What type of foliage there is/was where the fire burned. Google Street October 2019 to the North of town.
No wonder it burned big and fast.
No wonder it burned big and fast.
Add Hurricane force winds and the results were grim. It had also been a relatively dry Summer for the island. Climate Change and Mother Nature have more firepower than any human preventative measures can match...
Yes this type of stuff is very common in California and sometimes there will be control burns in some places where this brush is located and sometimes cows and goats would be on the hills eating brush to reduce the wildfire risk in the state of California. But then again I'm not so sure if the State of Hawaii ever thought about these preventative methods.
Benefits of cattle grazing for reducing fire fuels and hazard
UC Cooperative Extension specialists in the Bartolome-Huntsinger lab collaborated on a new study.
nature.berkeley.edu
Using Goats to Prevent Wildfires
Communities worried about the ravages of wildfires are embracing a four-legged solution
www.smithsonianmag.com
Controlled fires could actually save forests and fight climate change
In Western forests prone to wildfire, thinning and burning treatments can help reduce wildfire risks and trap carbon in new plant growth.
www.pbs.org
Maui wildfires live updates: Death toll rises to 106
Live updates on the deadly wildfires on Maui.
abcnews.go.com
Here is an update.
The more that I read about how help didn't come for days, and that sirens/evacuations were not issued, and now I'm hearing the emergency director didn't even have experience in disaster preparedness, the more angry I get. These people in Maui who are suffering should feel this way. An entire ocean wasn't used to fight off the flames. Evacuations weren't sent out to phones NOR a route to get out that was safe from the flames.
Another thing that is angering the locals is how power wasn't shut off to the poles before they went down in the 80mph. winds. I wonder: had those lines been turned off during the heavy winds, would these homes and businesses be saved? Those same poles CAUSED the fire, similar to what happened in Paradise CA a few years ago.
Much of this reminds me of the Katrina 'response' in New Orleans. The Hawaiian government has failed Lahaina and West Maui and no one will ever forget this. RIP to all the victims, may God comfort their families, friends, and acquaintances. Death toll at 107 and only 30% of the town searched. I bet there's double that just waiting to be found.
Another thing that is angering the locals is how power wasn't shut off to the poles before they went down in the 80mph. winds. I wonder: had those lines been turned off during the heavy winds, would these homes and businesses be saved? Those same poles CAUSED the fire, similar to what happened in Paradise CA a few years ago.
Much of this reminds me of the Katrina 'response' in New Orleans. The Hawaiian government has failed Lahaina and West Maui and no one will ever forget this. RIP to all the victims, may God comfort their families, friends, and acquaintances. Death toll at 107 and only 30% of the town searched. I bet there's double that just waiting to be found.
Good thing too.
Sirens to tell people to take the tsunami evacuation routes which were closed by fires. Yeah, that would have done something okay.
Can't those sirens be overridden by the voice of the sheriff or emergency operator telling them to get away from the fires a certain direction? Doubt it, but I'm not sure.
They're electronic sirens, not a PA system. You activate them all at the same time.
What's your beef? The comments are coming from people who live there. Some of them are angry that the sirens weren't used. That's not coming from me. I said it likely would have made no difference. It's already been established that some died trying to use the route that was in the path of the fire. Others here are saying Radio should have told them that they were about to die. It's a horrific event and unfortunately won't be the last...
People who haven't even visited the area speculating on what people experienced or placing blame with no clue of the situation.
You'll note that those who are complaining are not the natives.
The Blame Game is inevitable. The ambulance chasing attorneys are going to swoop in like buzzards. Some relatives of the dead will be looking for a big payday. That's always the ugly side of these disasters.
On a positive note, some of the native Islanders are trying to help as many people as possible. Some lost everything...
Highway Fire: Nevada County wildfire holding at 25 acres
Officials said the fire started around Washington Road at Highway 20 in Nevada County in the Washington Overlook area.
www.abc10.com
Highway Fire sees small overnight growth, containment remains at 5%
Update 7 a.m., Thursday: The fire has grown to 30.9 acres and containment has remained at 5%. There are currently over 300 fire staff working the fire with more on the way Thursday, according to US…
fox40.com
Some of us cannot criticize Hawaii's response to the Maui fires when we have to deal with our own fires in our states.
HFD battles brush fire near historical site in Wahiawa
HONOLULU (KHON2) — The Honolulu Fire Department is battling a wildland fire in Wahiawa near the area of the historical Kukaniloko Birth Site. HFD responded to the incident just shor…
www.khon2.com
Wahiawa brush fire now 50% contained
A large brush fire that broke out in Wahiawa Wednesday afternoon is now 50% contained. Around 540 acres have been burned so far near the Kulaniloko birthing stones area.
Another wildfire is reported in Hawaii this time on Oahu.
Large city vs small coastal town.
https://www.npr.org/sections/pictur...fire-lahaina-maui-wildfires-death-toll-hawaii
NPR aired an interview with a Lahaina survivor. He described in detail his harrowing ordeal of jumping into the water at the harbour. Drowning or burning were the choices many had to make...
NPR aired an interview with a Lahaina survivor. He described in detail his harrowing ordeal of jumping into the water at the harbour. Drowning or burning were the choices many had to make...