DFW Sat. Nov. 15 1958

[stevezodiac]

Source: TV Guide - Note that only 2 shows are listed in COLOR!
4-KRLD-CBS
5-WBAP-NBC
8-WFAA-ABC
11-KFJZ-Ind.

Saturday Morning November 15, 1958

7:15a
(8) Agriculture on Parade

7:30
(8) Through the Porthole

7:45
(8) Movie "Alias, Billy the Kid"

8:00
(4) Cartoons
(5) Christian Answers

8:15
(5) Cartoons

8:30
(4) Captain Kangaroo
(5) Texas Curriculum

9:00
(5) Howdy Doody

9:30
(4) Mighty Mouse
(5) Ruff and Reddy
(8) Laurel and Hardy

10:00
(4) Heckle and Jeckle
(5) Fury
(8) Cartoons

10:30
(4) Robin Hood
(5) Circus Boy
(8) Farmer Al Falfa

11:00
(4) Sky King
(5) True Story
(8) Uncle Al

11:30
(4) Magic Circus-Mark Wilson
(5) Detective's Diary

12:00p
(4) Movie "Along the Oregon Trail"
(5) Farm Editor
(8) Foreign Legionnaire
(11) Jo Jo's Funhouse

12:15
(5) Cartoons

12:30
(5) Hawkeye
(8) Stairway to Fame-Talent

1:00
(4) Cartoons
(5) Movie "That's Right-You're Wrong"
(8) U.S. Army Chorus (Special)
(11) Movie "Crazy House"

1:30
(4) Hockey (Canadiens vs. Back Hawks)
(8) Orient Express-Adventure

2:00
(8) I Led Three Lives

2:30
(8) Charlie Chan
(11) Teen Hop-Rudy Garrett at the Majestic Theatre

3:00
(8) Mr. Distict Attorney

3:30
(8) Science Fiction Theater
(11) Star Performance-Drama

3:45
(4) News-Bob Brock

4:00
(4) Travelog (COLOR)
(5) Steve Donovan-Western
(8) Dallas Bandstand (w Jerry Haynes?)
(11) Early Show-Cartoons

4:30
(4) Lone Ranger
(5) O. Henry Playhouse-Drama
(11) Movie "Wee Willie Winkie"

5:00
(4) Command Performance
(5) Movie "Walk Softly Stranger"
(8) All Star Golf-Boca Raton

5:30
(4) Johnny Hicks-Variety

6:00p
(4) Farm Newsreel-Andrews
(8) White Hunter
(11) Football Scoreboard

6:15
(4) News-Reid Collins

6:25
(4) Police Report

6:30
(4) Perry Mason
(5) People are Funny
(8) American Bandstand
(11) Movie "Harrigan's Kid"

7:00
(5) Perry Como (COLOR)
(8) Jubilee USA

7:30
(4) Wanted Dead or Alive

8:00
(4) Gale Storm
(5) Steve Canyon-Adventure
(8) Dancing Party-Welk
(11) Movie "Dead Man's Eye's"

8:30
(4) Have Gun, Will Travel
(5) Cimmaron City

9:00
(4) Gunsmoke
(8) Sammy Kaye

9:30
(4) Death Valley Days
(5) Brains and Brawns
(8) Confession-Interview
(11) Movie "Mad at the World"

10:00p
(4) News
(5) News
(8) News-Dick Wheeler

10:10
(8) Weather-George Milner

10:15
(4) Week in Review

10:30
(4) Gourmet-David Wade
(5) Sports-Tom Mullarkey
(8) Movie "Sebaka"

10:45
(5) Movie "Two O'Clock Courage"

11:00
(4) City Detective-Police

11:10
(11) Movie "Notorious"

11:30
(4) Waterfront-Adventure
-----Listings end for the day--------

 

[Joseph_Gallant]

Longtime Listener, in presenting Dalls/Fort Worth TV listings for November 15th, 1958 noted:

> Note that only 2 shows are listed in COLOR!

I think the TV Guide may have overlooked two other shows on NBC/WBAP-5 which I thought were in color: "Howdy Doody" and "Ruff and Reddy".

 

[Joseph_Gallant]

Back to Dallas/Fort Worth on November 15th, 1958:

> 11:00 (8) Uncle Al

Wasn't this actually produced in Cincinnati and syndicated??

> 1:00 (5) Movie "That's Right-You're Wrong"

Sounds like Kay Kyser was starring in this movie. He was a bandleader who also hosted a radio (and later TV) musical quiz show called "College Of Musical Knowledge", and sometimes contestants had to answer a question in a way that Kyser would say "That's Right, You're Wrong!" in order to win cash or prizes.

NOTE: The college football season was still underway, but I see no listing for a network game in Dallas/Fort Worth that day. Could the network's college football game that day have been played in the Dallas/Fort Worth area (maybe at SMU??) and had to be blacked-out?? I'd be very surprised if network college football telecasts were blacked-out in the market where the games were being played in.

> 1:30 (4) Hockey (Canadiens vs. Back Hawks)

This was over 35 years before Dallas for an NHL team, but I believe both Dallas and Fort Worth had successful (in terms of attendance) minor-league hockey teams as far back as the 1950's. I do know that from 1957 through 1975, network NHL games were not "cleared" in quite a few cities. My guess is the CBS/NHL games in 1958/59 got shown by the then-KRLD-4 because Dallas and Fort Worth already had minor league clubs.

> 6:15 (4) News-Reid Collins

KRLD was a CBS station, and Collins later went on to CBS News. If my memory servces me correct, he anchored CBS radio's live coverage of America's early space flights, starting in the Mercury days and going up through the ill-fated 1986 launch of Challenger. Collins eventually went on to CNN, but I don't think he did any space coverage for them.

> 6:30 (8) American Bandstand

Actually "The Dick Clark (Beechnut) Show". There was a short-live prime-time version of "Bandstand" on Monday nights in the Fall of 1957, but was cancelled after thirteen weeks, so this show could go on the air instead.

> 8:00 (8) Dancing Party-Welk

> 9:00 (8) Sammy Kaye

Interesting programing strategy for ABC in the Fall of 1958: Filling-up Saturday nights with music programs, and two somewhat similar shows (Lawrence Welk and Sammy Kaye) back-to-back.

> 9:30 (5) Brains and Brawns

A short-lived game show, supposedely with two-person teams (an "egghead" and an athlete, with the athelete performing physical tasks and the "egghead" answering tough questions). I wonder if this show's early cancellation (if was gone after three-and-a-half months on the air) had anything to do with the emerging quiz-show scandals that were exploding during the second half of 1958 and would result in the cancellation of nearly all big-money game shows by the end of November.

 

[stevezodiac]

You know your stuff!

Mr. Gallant writes:
Wasn't this (Uncle Al) actually produced in Cincinnati and syndicated??

Answer: Yes, you are correct. The Show originally started on WCPO in Cincinnati in 1950 as "Al's Drug Store", and went to ABC in 1958.

And then Mr. Gallant writes:

I think the TV Guide may have overlooked two other shows on
NBC/WBAP-5 which I thought were in color: "Howdy Doody" and
"Ruff and Reddy".

Answer: Hard to say about either show. A web site says that although they weren't shown in color the first two seasons, Hanna/Barbera made "Ruff and Ready" in color anyway.
"Howdy Doody" went color in 1955, maybe Ch. 5 chose not to show either in color. Would it be more expensive? Or maybe TV Guide DID mess up. I don't know.

 

[bhayes1016]

> > 1:30 (4) Hockey (Canadiens vs. Back Hawks)
>
> This was over 35 years before Dallas for an NHL team, but I
> believe both Dallas and Fort Worth had successful (in terms
> of attendance) minor-league hockey teams as far back as the
> 1950's. I do know that from 1957 through 1975, network NHL
> games were not "cleared" in quite a few cities. My guess is
> the CBS/NHL games in 1958/59 got shown by the then-KRLD-4
> because Dallas and Fort Worth already had minor league
> clubs.

Remember than back then there were still only the "original six" NHL teams...not sure what minor league teams there were. I remember the Dallas Black Hawks and the Ft. Worth Wings? of the old CHL in the 70s..

 

[KMRichards]

> > 1:00 (5) Movie "That's Right-You're Wrong"
>
> Sounds like Kay Kyser was starring in this movie. He was a
> bandleader who also hosted a radio (and later TV) musical
> quiz show called "College Of Musical Knowledge", and
> sometimes contestants had to answer a question in a way that
> Kyser would say "That's Right, You're Wrong!" in order to
> win cash or prizes.

Yes, that was the case. TCM just ran that movie several weeks ago. The plot is that a movie producer brings Kay and the band out to Hollywood to make a movie, which of course gets all mucked up and they go back to radio.

There is a sequence in the movie showing the radio show as you describe (a recreation of it, actually).<P ID="signature">______________


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[stevezodiac]

Re: DFW '58 re: football

> You know your stuff!
>
> Mr. Gallant writes:
> Wasn't this (Uncle Al) actually produced in Cincinnati and
> syndicated??
>
> Answer: Yes, you are correct. The Show originally started on
> WCPO in Cincinnati in 1950 as "Al's Drug Store", and went to
> ABC in 1958.
>
> And then Mr. Gallant writes:
>
> I think the TV Guide may have overlooked two other shows on
> NBC/WBAP-5 which I thought were in color: "Howdy Doody" and
> "Ruff and Reddy".
>
> Answer: Hard to say about either show. A web site says that
> although they weren't shown in color the first two seasons,
> Hanna/Barbera made "Ruff and Ready" in color anyway.
> "Howdy Doody" went color in 1955, maybe Ch. 5 chose not to
> show either in color. Would it be more expensive? Or maybe
> TV Guide DID mess up. I don't know.
>

***Also, concerning football, this TV guide also has Waco Texas included, which I excluded, because I thought, lack of interest.
Here is what the Waco portion stated concerning football:

1:45
(6) KECN-NBC
(10) KWTX-CBC
College Football-Texas vs. TCU
The Texas Longhorns meet the Texas Horned Frogs at Fort Worth.
The Longhorns are coached by Darrell Royal and the Horned Frogs are coached by Abe Martin.
At press time, the viewing of this game in the Dallas-Fort Worth area was pending. If the game is a sellout, Ch.5 (WBAP) will telecast the game.

This is wierd isn't it, a CBS and NBC affiliate playing the same game?

 

[bpatrick]

> Back to Dallas/Fort Worth on November 15th, 1958:
>
> >
>
> > 1:00 (5) Movie "That's Right-You're Wrong"
>
> Sounds like Kay Kyser was starring in this movie. He was a
> bandleader who also hosted a radio (and later TV) musical
> quiz show called "College Of Musical Knowledge", and
> sometimes contestants had to answer a question in a way that
> Kyser would say "That's Right, You're Wrong!" in order to
> win cash or prizes.

About a week after TCM aired this movie I had a posting from
1957 showing Channel 11 in Atlanta running this same movie
on a Saturday afternoon.
>
>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
> >
>
>
> > 9:30 (5) Brains and Brawns
>
> A short-lived game show, supposedely with two-person teams
> (an "egghead" and an athlete, with the athelete performing
> physical tasks and the "egghead" answering tough questions).
> I wonder if this show's early cancellation (if was gone
> after three-and-a-half months on the air) had anything to do
> with the emerging quiz-show scandals that were exploding
> during the second half of 1958 and would result in the
> cancellation of nearly all big-money game shows by the end
> of November.
>
NBC actually revived this show for its Saturday-morning schedule
in the '90s. Mark-Paul Gosselaar (sp?) of Saved By The Bell
was host, IIRC.

Nobody here has mentioned Magic Circus with Mark Wilson, about
three years before The Magic Land Of Allakazam debuted on CBS
(it moved to ABC in '63, IIRC). In the '70s he did some
syndicated specials using the Magic Circus title. He also
taught Bill Bixby magic for Bixby's short-lived '70s series
The Magician; Bixby became such an enthusiast that he even hosted
a syndicated show, Wonderful World Of Magic, around 1976.

I also see that David Wade was doing his gourmet-cooking shows
that far back. We used to get him on Sunday afternoons in
Birmingham in the late '60s; on weekdays we had Graham Kerr.
And both were on WBMG (WIAT)/42.

One last note: I noticed a program on Channel 8 called Confession.
ABC ran this show (I think it was in the summer of 1958); it
consisted of criminals "confessing" their crimes and getting
help in trying to go straight. Each show was a session between
a criminal and a psychologist. Some people probably felt that
these sessions should have been kept private, but the people
involved had to have agreed to go on the air, just like people
on the courtroom shows and some of the talk shows today.

 

[Joseph_Gallant]

Re: DFW '58 re: football

I had wondered why there was no televised college football game listed in the TV Guide for Dallas/Fort Worth on November 15th, 1958.

Longtime Listener was kind enough to post a listing for that day from Waco:

> 1:45
> (6) KECN-NBC
> (10) KWTX-CBS
> College Football-Texas vs. TCU
> The Texas Longhorns meet the Texas Horned Frogs at Fort
> Worth.
> The Longhorns are coached by Darrell Royal and the Horned
> Frogs are coached by Abe Martin.
> At press time, the viewing of this game in the Dallas-Fort
> Worth area was pending. If the game is a sellout, Ch.5
> (WBAP) will telecast the game.
>
> This is weird isn't it, a CBS and NBC affiliate playing the
> same game?

It is, unless back then one of the two stations was licensed to Waco and the other to Temple, with perhaps 30-40 miles separating their transmitter sites, especially if their signals didn't have that mcuh overlap (i.e. transmitting from relatively short towers or one or both stations' ERP nowhere near the maximum levels allowed by the FCC).

Also note that this was an in-state battle, which is why KECN and KWTX both carried it, although it was officially an NBC presentation.

If there was minimum overlap between the signals of KECN and KWTX (for the reasons I outlined above), it's possible that some other network programs (maybe other college football games, the World Series, or top-rated network shows) may also have been broadcast by both stations.

Given that it was a game between two Texas teams, I suspect it was sold-out and indeed get televised in Dallas/Fort Worth. I do know that NBC had one color mobile unit in the late 1950's, which during the Fall (except for World Seriues time) would usually get driven to the site of their weekly college-football telecast (or if regional games, their "lead" regional telecast). IIRC, I believe NBC got it's second color TV mobile unit in time for the 1959 World Series, so one truck was at (Old) Comiskey Park in Chicago and the other at (the Dodgers' temporary home in) the Los Angeles Coliseum.

 

[bpatrick]

Re: DFW '58 re: football

> I had wondered why there was no televised college football
> game listed in the TV Guide for Dallas/Fort Worth on
> November 15th, 1958.
>
> Longtime Listener was kind enough to post a listing for that
> day from Waco:
>
> > 1:45
> > (6) KECN-NBC
> > (10) KWTX-CBS
> > College Football-Texas vs. TCU
> > The Texas Longhorns meet the Texas Horned Frogs at Fort
> > Worth.
> > The Longhorns are coached by Darrell Royal and the Horned
> > Frogs are coached by Abe Martin.
> > At press time, the viewing of this game in the Dallas-Fort
>
> > Worth area was pending. If the game is a sellout, Ch.5
> > (WBAP) will telecast the game.
> >
> > This is weird isn't it, a CBS and NBC affiliate playing
> the
> > same game?
>
> It is, unless back then one of the two stations was licensed
> to Waco and the other to Temple, with perhaps 30-40 miles
> separating their transmitter sites, especially if their
> signals didn't have that mcuh overlap (i.e. transmitting
> from relatively short towers or one or both stations' ERP
> nowhere near the maximum levels allowed by the FCC).
>
> KCEN was, and is, licensed to Temple; KWTX to Waco.
I don't know what the situation was in 1958, but today
it's one market.
>
>