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DFW talk show ratings.

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Redeye/blackeye

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Where can i get access to local radio show ratings. I know where to get ratings for stations but not for the shows. I would like to see The "DOMINATOR" russ martin, hehe against Kraddick, and other jocks. IU also would like to access old books. Thanks
 
Are you kidding? Comparing Martin against Kraddick is pointless, because they don't work the same time of day!

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Nor:

1. ...speak to the same audience (local v. national)
2. ...speak to the same demo
3. ...speak the same language ;D
 
You can't get access to them. I'm curious, do you do promotions or are you a board op? Or just someone who thinks they have a lot of talent, but the "corporate mentality" doesn't see it, so you can't get a job.
 
radio_insider said:
You can't get access to them. I'm curious, do you do promotions or are you a board op? Or just someone who thinks they have a lot of talent, but the "corporate mentality" doesn't see it, so you can't get a job.

Neither. I am actually a janitor at CBS radio but blog on here because I have heard enough jocks, PDs and CONsultants deliver so much drivel that I thought I would chime in with their sage nuggets of wisdom. But hey, thanks for the shout out. ;D
 
Neither. I am actually a janitor at CBS radio but blog on here because I have heard enough jocks, PDs and CONsultants deliver so much drivel that I thought I would chime in with their sage nuggets of wisdom. But hey, thanks for the shout out. ;D

HILARIOUS. Author! Author!
 
radio_insider said:
You can't get access to them. I'm curious, do you do promotions or are you a board op? Or just someone who thinks they have a lot of talent, but the "corporate mentality" doesn't see it, so you can't get a job.
Ah ------ Im not in radio at all, Im actually an Assistant D.A in town, so probably smatter than you. besides the point, I don't know how radio ratings work, that's why i ask. The main reason is Russ has a [EDIT] for Kraddick, Tormented him on the air, but Kraddick seems to be doing better than him. So i just wanted to see how Russ compares to Kraddick and other Jocks in town. So does he get rated with other afternoon Jocks in, from music stations and all.

[EDIT-vulgarity]
 
Oh Redeye...fyi- detailed ratings information can only be utilized by subscribing stations. General rankers are publically released, but are very limited.

I am sorry you received the reply to your question above. At the same time, your reaction could have been better, too. I read a lot here, too, and am not in the biz.
 
Redeye/blackeye said:
Ah ------ Im not in radio at all, Im actually an Assistant D.A in town, so probably smatter than you. besides the point, I don't know how radio ratings work, that's why i ask. The main reason is Russ has a [EDIT] for Kraddick, Tormented him on the air, but Kraddick seems to be doing better than him. So i just wanted to see how Russ compares to Kraddick and other Jocks in town. So does he get rated with other afternoon Jocks in, from music stations and all.
I wouldn't assume that you're smarter than 'us' radio types (or at least me) just because you went to law school. I know some lawyers and half of them are idiots.

But to try and give you an answer...
I can't give you specifics because I'm at home and don't have access to it, but generally speaking Russ does really well among his target demo, men 18-34 and men 25-44. And some advertisers (like beer makers) crave those demos.

The general rankings you see are for "12 plus". That's everybody surveyed by Arbitron 12 years and older. He doesn't do near as well in those numbers because he doesn't appear to women as much, doesn't appeal to kids, old folks, some minorities, etc etc... (and when I say doesn't appeal, he may appeal to them, but not as much as other options)

In the 12+ ratings Kidd kicks Russ's (edit vulgarity) :D But since they don't compete head on, and don't compete for the same demographics, it's hard to say who is doing better. Russ does well in his field (Men 18-44), Kidd does well in his (teens, young women, soccer moms)...

In The demo that is most highly coveted by advertisers (adults 25-54) russ is usually in the top 3, IIRC. Off the top of my head, I do believe it's a competition between him, Hannity on WBAP and the Hardline on KTCK. And who wins in any given month is just a factor of where the diaries land

(And that's how ratings work- Arbitron sends out diaries that are filled out by listeners. Each diary represents some proportion of the audience, i.e. one 12 year old girl might be representing 50K OTHER 12 year olds in the ratings- etc.Ratings are done on a monthly basis (called trends) with a quarterly report ("the book") every 3 months. )

So it's hard to say who is kicking who's butt- think of it this way- you might be a great DA, but can you get me a decent bankruptcy settlement or win my divorce? You might do okay, but it's not your specialty, right? Kidd's speciality is teen and family friendly banter- Russ's is dirty jokes, innuendo, practical jokes on his staff, etc...Far far different, so hard to compare.

But I'll leave you with this. Ever heard the phrase "when you're the lead dog, everybody's trying to bite you in the a**?". Ponder why Russ is going after Kidd and Kidd isn't returning serve. Kidd's been succesful in the market for decades, has a well-syndicated show in other markets, etc... Russ is plodding along with his one other station syndication deal, doing okay in his demo, but not drawing the attention, renown or salary that Kidd is.

If RUss was the lead dog, he wouldnt feel the need to bite Kidd or the Hardline or anyone else's a**...
But he's not, so he does...My psych degree tells me jealousy and envy issues, but that's just my unofficial opinion...
 
little1 said:
Redeye/blackeye said:
Ah ------ Im not in radio at all, Im actually an Assistant D.A in town, so probably smatter than you. besides the point, I don't know how radio ratings work, that's why i ask. The main reason is Russ has a [EDIT] for Kraddick, Tormented him on the air, but Kraddick seems to be doing better than him. So i just wanted to see how Russ compares to Kraddick and other Jocks in town. So does he get rated with other afternoon Jocks in, from music stations and all.
I wouldn't assume that you're smarter than 'us' radio types (or at least me) just because you went to law school. I know some lawyers and half of them are idiots.

But to try and give you an answer...
I can't give you specifics because I'm at home and don't have access to it, but generally speaking Russ does really well among his target demo, men 18-34 and men 25-44. And some advertisers (like beer makers) crave those demos.

The general rankings you see are for "12 plus". That's everybody surveyed by Arbitron 12 years and older. He doesn't do near as well in those numbers because he doesn't appear to women as much, doesn't appeal to kids, old folks, some minorities, etc etc... (and when I say doesn't appeal, he may appeal to them, but not as much as other options)

In the 12+ ratings Kidd kicks Russ's (edit vulgarity) :D But since they don't compete head on, and don't compete for the same demographics, it's hard to say who is doing better. Russ does well in his field (Men 18-44), Kidd does well in his (teens, young women, soccer moms)...

In The demo that is most highly coveted by advertisers (adults 25-54) russ is usually in the top 3, IIRC. Off the top of my head, I do believe it's a competition between him, Hannity on WBAP and the Hardline on KTCK. And who wins in any given month is just a factor of where the diaries land

(And that's how ratings work- Arbitron sends out diaries that are filled out by listeners. Each diary represents some proportion of the audience, i.e. one 12 year old girl might be representing 50K OTHER 12 year olds in the ratings- etc.Ratings are done on a monthly basis (called trends) with a quarterly report ("the book") every 3 months. )

So it's hard to say who is kicking who's butt- think of it this way- you might be a great DA, but can you get me a decent bankruptcy settlement or win my divorce? You might do okay, but it's not your specialty, right? Kidd's speciality is teen and family friendly banter- Russ's is dirty jokes, innuendo, practical jokes on his staff, etc...Far far different, so hard to compare.

But I'll leave you with this. Ever heard the phrase "when you're the lead dog, everybody's trying to bite you in the a**?". Ponder why Russ is going after Kidd and Kidd isn't returning serve. Kidd's been succesful in the market for decades, has a well-syndicated show in other markets, etc... Russ is plodding along with his one other station syndication deal, doing okay in his demo, but not drawing the attention, renown or salary that Kidd is.

If RUss was the lead dog, he wouldnt feel the need to bite Kidd or the Hardline or anyone else's a**...
But he's not, so he does...My psych degree tells me jealousy and envy issues, but that's just my unofficial opinion...
C daye thank you and Little 1 this is the best answer yet and it explains a whole lot. You know your stuff. So that's why Russ has so many beer commercials and strip club spots, a lot that appeal to males. And also explains why Kraddick sticks to a clean show with a lot of unsual bits that mostly appeals to women, kids. This radio thing isn't as easy as people make it out to be. I could have a case that i'm 100% sure i nailed it, but our beautiful men and women of the Jury prove me wrong and i question my whole approach. by the way the whole monitor in this board is too tough. I didn't cuss on any of my posts, but apparantely my choice of words..not appropriate. And now Martin vs. Kraddick, it fits with your saying, he attacks Kraddick, kraddick knows he's established and doesn't retaliate. makes more money but ends up looking weak to the male audience. Thanks you all.
 
Redeye....

Just a tip for you.

If you're going to hang around this board (and by all means, welcome), you might want to make sure you have somewhat of a thick skin. It can get a bit nasty around here, at times.

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little1 said:
My psych degree tells me jealousy and envy issues, but that's just my unofficial opinion...

So that explains a lot, Little! ;D
 
VERITAS DE VOCE said:
little1 said:
My psych degree tells me jealousy and envy issues, but that's just my unofficial opinion...

So that explains a lot, Little! ;D

As opposed to "That explains a little, lot" ;)

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