DHOOM FM using ReelWorld

[d21ofnj]

I thought CHR's would finance their jingles on ReelWorld, but 89.3 baked the cake here. I couldn't help but to laugh at the way in general DHOOM FM sounds, and to just throw in ReelWorld jingles in there. Are they converting themselves as a Hindu CHR?

 

[Deeman1710]

Those jingles were made by the late great Ed Beck. May he rest in peace. Yes the station is improving it's sound with the help of there traffic person. It's hard to find the right recipe with so much variation and sound quality of the Hindu music. You can always listen to 1170 AM

 

[nd2023]

Dhoom FM shouldn't even be heard past Sayreville.

Only in New Jersey I can get 3 stations that play Indian music 24/7. 89.3, 1170, and 98.7 HD2.
There are more fans of dance music than there are Indians in this area, yet there are no dance stations, something isn't right...

 

[Deeman1710]

89.3 is Dhoom FM. 100.7 is the translator and should be heard in Sayreville and it is. :

 

[nd2023]

Looking at the Radio-Locator coverage map, the 40 dBu contour of WDDM ends in Sayreville. Technically, the 89.3 signal shouldn't even reach the translator site in Edison, but it does. The translator doesn't fill in any gap in the protected contour. 100.7 can only be heard well for a mile or two before WLEV chops it up. I am able to hear Dhoom 89.3 all the way from Princeton, to all of Staten Island, and southern Brooklyn (if there's no pirate on 89.3). To the south, it reaches all the way to Belmar.

How is the supposedly 8 watt station able to be heard so far?

 

[Deeman1710]

Height my friend on top of telegraph hill behind the Garden State Art Center. Learn about how FM works.... ;D

 

[Radio411]

How is the supposedly 8 watt station able to be heard so far?

Nick-

I feel the need to state the obvious...but have you ever noticed that Radio-Locator has a disclaimer that notes that it is to be used as a reference and is not 100% accurate... atleast that's how I understand it. For someone that clearly is not a fan of the format, you apparently tune in in great frequency to know the precise reaches of their signal. It's really a shame that they don't have PPM encoding in their audio chain and you don't have a monitor...damn! I mean there are a surplus of AC stations in Monmouth/Ocean county now and I'm not a fan personally, but does that mean they SHOULDN'T be on the airwaves either because there is no "Dance Station" in the market?? OR are we just taking an unwarranted jab at an Ethnic Broadcaster of which you clearly aren't in the Target Audience??? Truth be told, atleast their programming IS something different than the rest of the cookie-cutter crap lining the entire dial in the CNJ area... Also to it's credit it does something that MANY stations DO NOT do... Actually Serve It's Audience... Imagine that!

I would concur... learn the proper logistics and propagations of FM signals before you bring a topic to the table in an attempt to NOT look foolish... just some advice!

care to respond?? :

 

[d21ofnj]

Only in New Jersey I can get 3 stations that play Indian music 24/7. 89.3, 1170, and 98.7 HD2.
There are more fans of dance music than there are Indians in this area, yet there are no dance stations, something isn't right...

Alright, this I have to step in....I apoligize for hijacking this to a dance thread, but I need to reply to this.

Nick, I don't know if you got the memo, but there's a new focus for us now.  But based on your response, I have to let you know about 89.3's coverage area.  More people enjoy Dhoom FM in the Hazlet area than dance music, believe me, I should know.  There's a better chance for 96.7 to simulcast Pride Radio than for 89.3 to flip to dance.  Look, when I ran 967party.com, I wanted to start out local, and eventually to have it grow to run it pro.  Yes, I did get e-mails from fans saying this station should be on the FM dial, but say if it did go on FM.  In reality, I would only have 2,000 people compared to the 1 million who are residents of the shore tuning in, and the "benny" comments won't really help in the local area either.  My highest peak was always in the summer, because I attracted the tourist who live in somewhere in the middle of nowhere, and adjusted those casual listeners to become dance fans, with the help of a handful of pop remixes and then throw in Deadmaus, Tiesto, Guetta, Lasgo, Cascada, etc. and by that pissed off a few locals in a certain group saying I'm catering to "bennies" and not locals because I wasn't "their format", since there is also a rock/alternative night scene here as well.  If that was true, then I would only broadcast from Memorial Day to Labor Day, but I was on 24/7 365.  How do you think Party felt with the die hard Pulse fans saying to bring back Pulse, or they suck, when in reality, hip-hop on Party was tradition.  Now, over the weekend, I had a good talk with Tony, and we met someone who is in the industry saturday night, and I had my education.  Everything made sense in terms of running a station, and watching it grow when programmed right.  That's why we are now focusing on Internet radio, because Internet and terrestrial are two different ball games.  Right now, just be happy you're able to hear Z88.9, because the 88.9 I hear where I live is WMCX from Monmouth U.  Enjoy the 92.9 pirate until it last, even though that is a bad route to support.  You have HD radio, tune in to Pride Radio.  Be happy that you're allowed airtime to play dance music on your station.  If you feel there is not enough being done for dance, could you ask for more airtime for dance programming?  NOW-FM started airing mixshows, and slowly they are adding more dance to rotation.  Let them grow, once they see more and more listeners are listening to a certain program i.e. PPM, then maybe down the road they can add more dance on rotation.  But for now, let's start with the pure dance stations first in a "no borders" enviornment.  I'm hoping to come back to the game by next month or so, but I'm not reviving 967party.com or branding Blaze anymore.  I'm going on a brand that's not involving a frequency on my station name. If we want this format to grow and be taken seriously, we need it to start naturally like how it is in Europe.

 

[myke25]

89.3 is Dhoom FM. 100.7 is the translator and should be heard in Sayreville and it is. :

i don't hear 100.7 in sayreville. in fact, 100.7's mixed with static on 27 within blocks of their transmitter. with weather conditions permitting, i'd hear it occasionally while going over the route 9 bridge.

for 89.3, i know it's at telegraph hill, 139 meters HAAT. now, which tower they're on, i don't know exactly. however i, too, have to question their range due to the fact that according to the STA granted by the FCC, they should be at 3.5 , not at 8. (wasn't their stick at one point before the STA was granted again, over on 34 in marlboro?) for a station putting out little power, it should not be heard clearly south brunswick or in piscataway. i find it interesting that the CP for the 104.7 translator (W284BW) on top of the magic stick for 10 watts and 100.7 W264BT (8 watts) are both pumping out more power than their primary station...

89.3's app to move to 104.7 is still pending and the PM Pregnancy nutjobs on Newman Springs Road are supposed to sign on this year with WSFS. I wonder if WDDM, if the 104.7 is granted, will then request a power increase despite 104.3 and 105.1 nearby and do away with 100.7 once W84BW goes live.

 

[nd2023]

How is the supposedly 8 watt station able to be heard so far?

Nick-

I feel the need to state the obvious...but have you ever noticed that Radio-Locator has a disclaimer that notes that it is to be used as a reference and is not 100% accurate... atleast that's how I understand it. For someone that clearly is not a fan of the format, you apparently tune in in great frequency to know the precise reaches of their signal. It's really a shame that they don't have PPM encoding in their audio chain and you don't have a monitor...damn! I mean there are a surplus of AC stations in Monmouth/Ocean county now and I'm not a fan personally, but does that mean they SHOULDN'T be on the airwaves either because there is no "Dance Station" in the market?? OR are we just taking an unwarranted jab at an Ethnic Broadcaster of which you clearly aren't in the Target Audience??? Truth be told, atleast their programming IS something different than the rest of the cookie-cutter crap lining the entire dial in the CNJ area... Also to it's credit it does something that MANY stations DO NOT do... Actually Serve It's Audience... Imagine that!

I would concur... learn the proper logistics and propagations of FM signals before you bring a topic to the table in an attempt to NOT look foolish... just some advice!

care to respond?? :

I'm not saying that Indian music shouldn't be on in the market, I was pointing out that it is on 3 different stations, 2 of them non-HD. It's just interesting to see that the market can support 2 Indian stations. And 89.3 has an oversized coverage area. I am able to get it clear in the New Brunswick area.
So I just plugged in the station's information, 125 feet HAAT, 10 watts into FM Curves, http://www.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/fmtvcur?units=2&dbkkw=1&dbumv=1&svc=1&curv=1&output=1&nor=1#START
The field strength should be 33 dBu 10 miles from the transmitter, and 26 dBu 15 miles away. Even if it were off by 10 dB, a 36 dBu signal should not be nearly static free on my car radio. For comparison, the furthest station I'm able to get with a lot of static is 93.7 WSTW, 75 miles away. That has a 33 dBu signal here. Yet, it sounds weaker than WDDM, I could barely make out the audio through the static. I have no gripe about the format of 89.3, even if it was dance I would be questioning the large coverage I have been noticing.
This large coverage area has been there since at least 2004, before the new CP. I am assuming it is broadcasting with the height and power stated on the license, not the CP application.
This is the only station that has a much larger coverage area than is predicted. In the summer, WFPG has a huge coverage area, but that's explained by tropo. Dhoom FM has this huge coverage all year.
Also, the 100.7 translator does not fill in any coverage holes within the 60 dBu service contour shown here http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM121864.html

 

[MickeyD]

89.3 is Dhoom FM. 100.7 is the translator and should be heard in Sayreville and it is. :

Dhoom has a CP to move to 104.7.

 

[nd2023]

Where will 104.7 be? A translator in New Brunswick on the Magic tower, the 100.7 translator in Edison will change to 104.7, or 89.3 will transmit on 104.7?

89.3 is Dhoom FM. 100.7 is the translator and should be heard in Sayreville and it is. :

Dhoom has a CP to move to 104.7.

 

[myke25]

Where will 104.7 be? A translator in New Brunswick on the Magic tower, the 100.7 translator in Edison will change to 104.7, or 89.3 will transmit on 104.7?

89.3 is Dhoom FM. 100.7 is the translator and should be heard in Sayreville and it is. :

Dhoom has a CP to move to 104.7.

89.3 has a CP to move to 104.7

 

[Deeman1710]

104.7 will be on the tower opposite WMGQ's on Jersey ave. It will not be Dhoom programming. Touchdown Media will own it and is in the process of trying to find someone to be on it. If you know of anyone the owner will give you a finders fee. As far as Dhoom they are trying to obtain WKMB 1070 since WKMB is in big financial trouble. If they do they will simulcast WKMB on 100.7 since 1070 is only daytime and run there allowed nightime power on 1070 of 50 watts from Stirling to have a translator. Yes Dhoom has also applied for 104.7, but not as a translator asa LPFM to be located in Edison. Since the CP has already been granted to Touchdown Media they will most likely get it. But you never know. Also the engineer for WHWH and WIBG applied for it too. The 104.7 war is on... to bad that was a good pirate frequency. (WENJ)

WDDM TPO is 25 watts with a ERP of 8 watts calcaluting the hard line loss off the big tower directly behind the Art Center. It is directional towards the North.

100.7 translator TPO is 35 watts with ERP of 8 watts calculating hard line loss off the tower behind the Pines directional towards the North also.

 

[nd2023]

104.7 will be on the tower opposite WMGQ's on Jersey ave. It will not be Dhoom programming. Touchdown Media will own it and is in the process of trying to find someone to be on it. If you know of anyone the owner will give you a finders fee. As far as Dhoom they are trying to obtain WKMB 1070 since WKMB is in big financial trouble. If they do they will simulcast WKMB on 100.7 since 1070 is only daytime and run there allowed nightime power on 1070 of 50 watts from Stirling to have a translator. Yes Dhoom has also applied for 104.7, but not as a translator asa LPFM to be located in Edison. Since the CP has already been granted to Touchdown Media they will most likely get it. But you never know. Also the engineer for WHWH and WIBG applied for it too. The 104.7 war is on... to bad that was a good pirate frequency. (WENJ)

WDDM TPO is 25 watts with a ERP of 8 watts calcaluting the hard line loss off the big tower directly behind the Art Center. It is directional towards the North.

100.7 translator TPO is 35 watts with ERP of 8 watts calculating hard line loss off the tower behind the Pines directional towards the North also.

The 104.7 translator location would be great for WQXR. Or perhaps a new station could be put on the air in, via an HD2 from New York City.
Of course, I would love it if it translated WRDW-HD2 or WBZC or WPTY, but that'll never happen. It most likely will become a religious station, as most translators are. Perhaps it could complement the 87.7 signal that will soon relay the Christian Satellite Network if 104.7 translates KAWZ (notice the K).

If the powers are low enough, there could be a 104.7 in New Brunswick and Edison. The Magic tower is at the southwestern part of New Brunswick, and Edison is huge, the northeastern part of Edison is 8 miles away from there.

Guess I'll have to find a new frequency for my iPod transmitter :-(

 

[myke25]

try 87.7 lol.

 

[Neal]

104.7 will be on the tower opposite WMGQ's on Jersey ave. It will not be Dhoom programming. Touchdown Media will own it and is in the process of trying to find someone to be on it. If you know of anyone the owner will give you a finders fee. As far as Dhoom they are trying to obtain WKMB 1070 since WKMB is in big financial trouble. If they do they will simulcast WKMB on 100.7 since 1070 is only daytime and run there allowed nightime power on 1070 of 50 watts from Stirling to have a translator. Yes Dhoom has also applied for 104.7, but not as a translator asa LPFM to be located in Edison. Since the CP has already been granted to Touchdown Media they will most likely get it. But you never know. Also the engineer for WHWH and WIBG applied for it too. The 104.7 war is on... to bad that was a good pirate frequency. (WENJ)

WDDM TPO is 25 watts with a ERP of 8 watts calcaluting the hard line loss off the big tower directly behind the Art Center. It is directional towards the North.

100.7 translator TPO is 35 watts with ERP of 8 watts calculating hard line loss off the tower behind the Pines directional towards the North also.

Interesting WDDM is directional to the North...... they are not licensed as a directional station.

Another interesting fact.. 25 watts with hardline loss.. did they change their Feedline? make it longer? change it from 7/8 to half inch?
Last I remember.. 19 watts TPO had been required for them to operate when they were licensed for 10 watts ERP from that location.

 

[Deeman1710]

Unless your antenna is at the top of a tower it will be directional pending on where it's mounted on a tower. This goes for any FM station

The loss is in the 1/2 nch pig tail leading to the 7/8" hardine.

I should know I'm the contract engineer for both stations.

Everybody on this board thinks they know everything. Study you facts before you post or maybe get a life is better. ;D

 

[Neal]

Unless your antenna is at the top of a tower it will be directional pending on where it's mounted on a tower. This goes for any FM station

The loss is in the 1/2 nch pig tail leading to the 7/8" hardine.

I should know I'm the contract engineer for both stations.

Everybody on this board thinks they know everything. Study you facts before you post or maybe get a life is better. ;D

Funny you should mention that....
A) unless they changed the antenna. I do own the Armstrong 707 antenna that they have never paid me for.
B) the Antenna

 

[Neal]

Last Message posted before I was finished.. I was going to make this Private, But Everyone should know the FACTS...

Unless your antenna is at the top of a tower it will be directional pending on where it's mounted on a tower. This goes for any FM station

The loss is in the 1/2 nch pig tail leading to the 7/8" hardine.

I should know I'm the contract engineer for both stations.

Everybody on this board thinks they know everything. Study you facts before you post or maybe get a life is better. ;D

Funny you should mention all of the above...

A.) unless they changed the antenna. The Armstrong 707 thats on the tower I Do Own.. They Never Paid me for it.
B.) The Antenna was Moved from its original height, ( not by me) and mounted at the Very Top and should Be Onmi. no Directional.
C.) the total of the 2 6-8 foot 1/2" pigtails between the TX and 7/8 and the antenna and 7/8" hardline Do NOT give that much Insertion loss..
Much less than 1db of loss.. more like .5 db maybe even less..

Im not getting into a pissing match with you, because I consider you a friend , Just beginning to wonder if its mutual. , However Rod C, and I were both the Contract Engineers For WCNJ. Before you were.
,and I Do know how much power TPO it took to make the 10 watts ERP. It was not 25 watts... even though Paul Pushed it to 30watts.
Just Before Paul and Raul took over the station the Old RVR 20 watt trasnmitter died and it was replaced with my 30 watt armstrong exciter.
Paul and Raul changed if from 19 watts and pushed it to the Max.
FACT:
When Paul took over. I was still the Contract Engineer. I found that they Changed the Power settings Until I told him . "If he wanted me to stay the Engineer He Must run this station 100% legal..."
He and his Buddy Raul said " YEAH RIGHT" and pulled the Im sorry I dont have my wallet to pay you now game. That was my last day They would not let me remove MY transmitter, and a few weeks later YOU became the New Contract Engineer.
You too wanted them to operate legally ,and we swapped out my Armstrong for MY loaner 20 watt QEI exciter. and Set at 19 watts. So he was Legal.
I was never paid for Either transmitter. and YES I had the Balls to Go ,and repossess my property...
I dont Claim to know Everything. But I Do know the FACTS about 89.3 hazlet.
I Dont calim to know the facts about the translators nor have I ever mentioned them. The Only translator I have knowledge of was 91.9 W220AA.