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Did It Wrong,...and Left An Unforgiving Stain!

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Scooter Lesley

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I was waiting in the lobby for one of my Engineering buds to go to lunch...a higher primate, meeting of the minds, and caveman eat-it-all at Mutt's Barbeque. One of his philisophical interns said/blurted, yeah...80's don't work in this market. They tried it with Star 103, and it failed. Much to the shiver of his boney little ass, I loudly spoke, as I backed him to the wall,...Star 103 failed because in wasn't done correctly. They compromise their original formula to the whims of some hired Selector Monkey, and it cost them their ship. That compromise, and a staff of some of the worst Air Talent droids that I have ever heard...fatally doomed a promising idea. Today, no GM will try it because of the stain left behind.
 
All 80s was an interesting format. I don't know if there are any even left around. All 90s is struggling, too. The all-80s hour on Magic must do well, since they've done it for years.

You gotta admit, though, Star 103 was better than The Walk on 103.3 and 103.9. Then after The Walk went to 106.3 we had female talk there.

I think a classic hits station that played mostly 70s/80s would work here. One station that is never mentioned here is Oldies 106.3 (although they were mostly 60s/70s). That was a pretty good little station.
 
On some other board somewhere, maybe boneyinterns.com, today there's a post about a really mean old man who verbally assaulted an intern and backed him to the wall about an 80s format that is dead EVERYwhere it's been tried.
 
It's my belief that era-based stations always have a shelf-life. Some more limited than others. However, if you build a station around a certain era as your core and go out from there with psychographically compatible titles, you'll be fine because the pool of music is much broader.

When yes.com comes back online, look at WLTY. It is clearly a 1980's rock based station. But with the Variety Hits angle, it can draw from a much broader pool and shift around as conditions warrant.

All 80's isn't a format, its a nostaglic music collection.
 
As a teenager of the 80s and a potential listener to an all-80s format (never had it really tried here), what I heard wrong with all-80s formats was two-fold:

#1 - The format was always, ALWAYS slanted. That's great if you hit the "angle" I'm listening for; but how do you know if I want MTV-based playlists or the classic love songs of the 80s, or hairbands, or new-wave, or early 80s / urban cowboy crossovers, or... if you're going to be "80s" and appeal to a generic "80s" audience, you're going to have to go mass-appeal... and that means playing a bunch of records that don't test well, but people sing along with when they play. How do you test songs people deny they like but obviously DO when they are within earshot? I've never been able to figure that out; if you do, you'll likely make a mint! :D

#2 - The rotations are closer to current top-40 rotations. The "Oh, WOW!" becomes "oh... wow..." after hearing the same "lost oldie" day after day after day. (P.S. all-90s formats: you have the same problem!!!) You can pull the top 100 songs for each year 1980 - 1989 and have ONE THOUSAND songs that were big enough to not just chart but make the best of the entire year lists. Too big for you? Only take the top 50 and you're down to a (still large by today's standards) 500 song playlist. That still runs the risk of the same songs every day depending on your "hot" category size, but it's workable. Top 40 from each year = 400 songs... you get the idea. Please, though... if you're going to appeal to an oldies audience, DON'T only play 250 songs unless you're going to play them all in a row before you repeat each time, or maybe only have two categories. ;)

#2.5 - If you're going to call yourself "80s," DON'T play 70s and 90s songs, please! If I tune in to the "80s" station (and I don't care that you call yourself "80s and more," you're "80s" to me and my target demo friends) and I hear something from '76 or '94, I'm gone and not coming back... EVEN IF I LIKE THE SONG. Why? Because you didn't deliver what you promised, and now I don't know what to expect from you... so I never crave you and never come back.

TIP: Take a hint from the syndicated "Retro Pop Reunion" and call yourselves "The biggest hits of the video music era"... OK, maybe choose a variation so you don't get a trademark infringement notice... but you get this idea.

I still think an 80s format can be successful, just like I think a 90s format can be successful (although trickier). I'm not convinced these formats will "plug-n-play" with traditional format layouts... although certainly experienced programmers can apply tricks of the trade to crafting a new production.

...It's ALSO not helped that many all-80s formats have been on rim-shot signals with minimal or no promotional $$$. :(

Two things make me think 80s radio can be a winner: #1, the tons and tons and TONS of online 80s stations being listened to by tons of listeners (especially at work). #2, so many other formats are filling their "gold" categories with 80s. Several stations locally which have lived in the 70s for a couple of decades have dropped much of that decade's hits and are replacing them with head-turning 80s hits. 80s music is used to sell all kinds of products on TV, and more than 50% of the retail establishments I enter are running an 80s-based or all-80s mix. If advertisers and retailers smell money in the 80s... why don't radio programmers?

One last thought: the 80s format is almost over; by that, I mean, the 80s target audience is getting ready to start moving OUT of the money demos. If 80s is going to be a big success, it's going to have to happen now, or it will end up being the 55+ audience relegated to failing AMs in not too many years.

The 90s format, however...
 
NightAire said:
...It's ALSO not helped that many all-80s formats have been on rim-shot signals with minimal or no promotional $$$. :(

One last thought: the 80s format is almost over; by that, I mean, the 80s target audience is getting ready to start moving OUT of the money demos.

The 90s format, however...

NightAire, I think you're right on the money. All excellent observations, but especially these two. Don't get me wrong, rimshots have to put something on those sticks. But when they do, they have to promote the living hell out of them to attract their targeted audience. Listeners generally will not simply stumble over them. At the same time, broadcasters should be careful not to dismiss a format idea until it is done on a fully competitive signal and properly supported by competitive programming & promotional investment.

And, yeah, the 90s format can still work, if-and-when done correctly. Right now it's a 40-49 demo (35-54 on the outside edges). Solid money demos.
 
amfmxm said:
And, yeah, the 90s format can still work, if-and-when done correctly. Right now it's a 40-49 demo (35-54 on the outside edges). Solid money demos.

I was born in 1988 and lots of the music I like the most was made between 1991-2001 (lots of focus on the late 90s).
 
When I started this topic, my main point was that Entercom, Cox, and Clear Channel would never consider an 80's format because of that farse labeled "Star 103". With that said, everyone chimmed in with some great discusion. However, a majority of what I read was still shaded under the shadow of failure. Yes,...the stain is still there, and no one with any vision has surfaced. Presently, a format restricted to that decade alone would pull single digits, but to me, that is not success. Now, an 80's type music format is a horse of a different color. Aside from all the Corporate Radio Horseshit, the business is stil R&R, Ratings & Revenue. There are three ways to program 80's type music: Retro-repeat CHR chart, New Wave style AOR, or a hybrid mix of the two, with spins of new product. In the last six months, The Cars, Human League, and Devo all have new product. 80's music preception has always been wrong anyway. Regarding "New Wave" here in America, both The Cars, and Blondie started in 1976, and were over, and done by '82. Most "Ham & Eggers" believe that both were neatly seated in the middle of the 80's. To me, #2, the New Wave AOR, with a large rotation of "Power Pop" would pull double digits ratings, but the PD would really have to know his/her Shit!!
 
Scooter Lesley said:
I was waiting in the lobby for one of my Engineering buds to go to lunch...a higher primate, meeting of the minds, and caveman eat-it-all at Mutt's Barbeque. One of his philisophical interns said/blurted, yeah...80's don't work in this market.

Hey Scooter, I'm much too old to listen to an all 80's format, although I do enjoy a lot of the music from that memorable decade. What I really want to know is how good is the bbq at Mutt's and are the waitresses pretty? Where is Mutt's and is it easy to get to from the Grand Strand, Columbia, or I-85 as I visit your beautiful state on my occasional outings?
 
Traid if you happen to come down to the lower midlands/upper low country area I would try Sweatman's BBQ or Lonestar BBQ if you want a good mustard base BBQ. Also Scooter you haven't noticed that when you start something that most of the time it ends up being completely different than what you expect it to be.
 
If ya'll want good barbeque meet me at Dukes on Whitman in Orangeburg (across from the old Pepsi plant.) I'm there almost every Thursday morning when they open at 11.
When one gets up at 3:30, lunch is at 11...
 
Stu I have eaten at Dukes many times there are very good. I found out that after over 50 years Sweatman's BBQ has sold to new owners, I hope they don't change too much.
 
The last time I ate at Sweatman's was about one year ago and it was still as good as ever, and if they have been sold, I hope that they will stick with what made them so good in the first place.
 
Back to the original topic...

The best all-80s station in my opinion was the late WXXY in Chicago. Their format was very 80s Hit Radio based and although they were handicapped on 2 rimshots like many 80s stations, they've managed to score a top 10 in the 18-34 demos. Sadly, the company that owned them (Big City Radio) had run into financial difficulties and wound up LMAing them to another group which took them Spanish in early 2001.

Here are a few airchecks of the station:

http://aircheckdownloads.com/wxxy_DonaMullen_250899.mp3

http://aircheckdownloads.com/WXY_FinalHour_FredWinston_290101.mp3 (This includes the format change to Spanish CHR.)

Also, there is a tribute site for the station (This has the station sign-on as well as airchecks of the staff):

http://wxxychicago.com/

The only over-the-air station that comes close to WXXY is WAMS-Ocean City, MD, although they had diversified their playlist in the last few months to include some 70s and 90s hits.

http://wams.fm

Robyn
 
sadly, those that post never took the time to document the station they worked for's heritage. this board, wiki, which is changeable will be a blog spot of those who did it and those who question it. in the end it fun to talk about the good ol days but trying to apply those memories to today's radio is ludicrous.
 
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