Did Pulse 87 block WPLJ's flip to Rhythmic? WPLJ doesn't seem to have many options. WCBS-FM is Oldies, so Citadel can't pull the Washington,DC (WJZW) thing here in New York. Z-100 is strong and would be hard to take down. Country seems like the only way to go. Don't know how many Cowboys are here in the sophisticated New York Metro area.
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Did Pulse 87 block WPLJ's flip to Rhythmic?
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No. If PLJ wanted to go rhythmic as a dance station, they could and would kill Pulse with a much larger signal.
Was there talk about 'PLJ possibly flipping to rhythmic? And I have to agree with K-Tel, if 'PLJ did do the flip, Pulse couldn't compete with the stronger signal and wider reach. But with 'PLJ run by corporate (Citadel) something tells me it would be another Mix 102.7 to a 'KTU and not do anything NEAR to what Pulse 87 is doing.
Tony,
I was kinda thinking the same way. Citadel would probably play Donna Summer and Gloria Gaynor louder and faster than KT-Get A Clue. Citadel would give New York another crappy Rhythmic Adult/Movin' or Top/Rhythmic B96 Chicago/Rhianna to death format. Nevermind.
I was kinda thinking the same way. Citadel would probably play Donna Summer and Gloria Gaynor louder and faster than KT-Get A Clue. Citadel would give New York another crappy Rhythmic Adult/Movin' or Top/Rhythmic B96 Chicago/Rhianna to death format. Nevermind.
Movin' is really not a bad format if executed well. Movin' 100.7 in Jacksonville, FL (technically Brunswick, GA rimshotting to Jacksonville) is one station that stands out from the rest. It sounds like the old 102.7 Blink used to sound like. KTU is not Movin'. If KTU were Movin' 103.5, then 87.7 probably wouldn't be dance.
What happened to not burning our bridges?
If Pulse can't make money because of a crappy signal and fails or clear channel tweaks KTU newer again (after all, they have changed several times over the last decade + of dance) with their signal, would bury Pulse, as they are familar and now heritage and could use clear channel billboards to let NY know of any change.
I don't know about the rest of you, but the constant, nearly unchanging beat of most of these songs over and over and over some of the same songs 3x a work day is beginning to bore me to death, I can only take so much in moderation. It's probably why I don't go clubbing as much, the same boring beats on the dance floors. So, I find myself flipping back and forth all the time now between my radio fin full stereo for KTU and the pulse webstream.
If Pulse can't make money because of a crappy signal and fails or clear channel tweaks KTU newer again (after all, they have changed several times over the last decade + of dance) with their signal, would bury Pulse, as they are familar and now heritage and could use clear channel billboards to let NY know of any change.
I don't know about the rest of you, but the constant, nearly unchanging beat of most of these songs over and over and over some of the same songs 3x a work day is beginning to bore me to death, I can only take so much in moderation. It's probably why I don't go clubbing as much, the same boring beats on the dance floors. So, I find myself flipping back and forth all the time now between my radio fin full stereo for KTU and the pulse webstream.
Justin,
A few questions:
1) If KT-Doesn't Have A Clue goes new, would that hurt sister Z-100?
2) How could KT-Peeww play new music? It's owned by coporate giant CC (means only the top 10 songs).
A few questions:
1) If KT-Doesn't Have A Clue goes new, would that hurt sister Z-100?
2) How could KT-Peeww play new music? It's owned by coporate giant CC (means only the top 10 songs).
You hit the nail on the head. KTU can't really go new. They would eat in to Z100 *and* Power. They also have to be careful even with the older stuff that they play, because they might eat in to Lite's numbers. That's why they've ended up playing a handful of new songs, tons of Abba and Donna Summer, and Duran Duran and OMD, who absolutely don't fit in to the format, even if they were heard in clubs in the 80s. KTU is boxed in, due to CC's other stations in the market.
As for the point about the repetition of songs on Pulse, that's no different from the repetition of songs on Z100, Hot 97, Power, or KTU or almost any other station. That said, Pulse seems to have added a significant amount of songs to their playlist this week and seems to have laid off some of the songs in its heavy rotation just a bit. Now, if you're just not into that kind of music, well...there's other stations, satellite radio, mp3's and the internet for you
As for the point about the repetition of songs on Pulse, that's no different from the repetition of songs on Z100, Hot 97, Power, or KTU or almost any other station. That said, Pulse seems to have added a significant amount of songs to their playlist this week and seems to have laid off some of the songs in its heavy rotation just a bit. Now, if you're just not into that kind of music, well...there's other stations, satellite radio, mp3's and the internet for you
I'm shocked that WKTU doesn't play the new dance punk. This music is outside of both z-100 and power's target.
And that's why in the age of multiple station ownership/deregulation.....why "cluster programming" prevents any given station from exploring deeper into a format.
Even if 'KTU went BACK to how the station sounded around, let's say 2002, the damage may have already been done by the lost listeners from the tweak, and now add the flipping down to Pulse, a station that is much more musically exciting (I'd rather hear Sean Kingston 20 times a day than Donna Summer 2 times in a week). Plus they (CC) would be "chopping their nose" since the current based dance product, demographically, would now work better with Z-100 (and aside from playing Cascada and Enur......BUZZER..NO DANCE!) since 'KTU went much older anyway.
The only NEW listeners that 'KTU would attract by going back with a few "new" are the ones that can't catch Pulse's signal....and to that, 'KTU would still not do all that much anyway. They still would have to cater to the "soccer mom" audience since the station firmly planted themselves there. I doubt that CC would allow any radical changes to 'KTU with Pulse on the scene. 'KTU still gets respectable numbers.
Even if 'KTU went BACK to how the station sounded around, let's say 2002, the damage may have already been done by the lost listeners from the tweak, and now add the flipping down to Pulse, a station that is much more musically exciting (I'd rather hear Sean Kingston 20 times a day than Donna Summer 2 times in a week). Plus they (CC) would be "chopping their nose" since the current based dance product, demographically, would now work better with Z-100 (and aside from playing Cascada and Enur......BUZZER..NO DANCE!) since 'KTU went much older anyway.
The only NEW listeners that 'KTU would attract by going back with a few "new" are the ones that can't catch Pulse's signal....and to that, 'KTU would still not do all that much anyway. They still would have to cater to the "soccer mom" audience since the station firmly planted themselves there. I doubt that CC would allow any radical changes to 'KTU with Pulse on the scene. 'KTU still gets respectable numbers.
Well JerseyDude... the KTU names are what I'm talking about... grow up, we may not all like the direction they've had to take to remain on the air as a dance leaning station, but they dumped a lot of the current dance tracks after the ratings tanked, not the other way around.
Seeing as KTU already plays the same current pop dance tracks that Z-100 does I don't see a reason to ask that question, they are already playing all the dancier dance tracks off the top 40... there are plenty of pop songs that can add dance beats or newer recurrents that they can add to their playlist amongst fewer golds to be newer sounding. The biggest part of the gold tracks is opening up the playlist so that we aren't hearing the same tracks every two days, that would be a big start at making the station sound fresher... Its what keeps us from burning out on tracks... which I'm already doing on the repetition of Pulse.
In addition, especially at night, dropping in some breakout songs... jumping early on a track or two at night might be a saving grace or just the push dance music needs. Whether we diehards like them or not, KTU is still the most listened to dance leaning station in America and if they start breaking some of the few new dance tracks out there, people will notice.
If dance music is making its way back around to pop culture again, with its signal and familiarity, KTU would probably be best poised to make it work. If you ask most New Yorkers, average NY'ers, who plays dance I bet you most will say KTU, most don't distiguish new dance from old dance, music tests show us that, so if new dance breaks on TV or online and they like it, most of those people will turn to KTU to try and find it. Thats what branding has done... as a long time dance fan, I'm hesitant to jump ship when dance really isn't in the main stream for fear of a station not making it because of it's own limitations while possibly further changing the direction of one that has for the most part kept dance on-air and on a major stick supporting our clubs and outtings for more than a decade.
Seeing as KTU already plays the same current pop dance tracks that Z-100 does I don't see a reason to ask that question, they are already playing all the dancier dance tracks off the top 40... there are plenty of pop songs that can add dance beats or newer recurrents that they can add to their playlist amongst fewer golds to be newer sounding. The biggest part of the gold tracks is opening up the playlist so that we aren't hearing the same tracks every two days, that would be a big start at making the station sound fresher... Its what keeps us from burning out on tracks... which I'm already doing on the repetition of Pulse.
In addition, especially at night, dropping in some breakout songs... jumping early on a track or two at night might be a saving grace or just the push dance music needs. Whether we diehards like them or not, KTU is still the most listened to dance leaning station in America and if they start breaking some of the few new dance tracks out there, people will notice.
If dance music is making its way back around to pop culture again, with its signal and familiarity, KTU would probably be best poised to make it work. If you ask most New Yorkers, average NY'ers, who plays dance I bet you most will say KTU, most don't distiguish new dance from old dance, music tests show us that, so if new dance breaks on TV or online and they like it, most of those people will turn to KTU to try and find it. Thats what branding has done... as a long time dance fan, I'm hesitant to jump ship when dance really isn't in the main stream for fear of a station not making it because of it's own limitations while possibly further changing the direction of one that has for the most part kept dance on-air and on a major stick supporting our clubs and outtings for more than a decade.
Tony Santiago said:
Let's be honest, that is a sizeable group... and the own limitation I refered to in the previous post is their signal, which is weak in midtown and lower Manhattan, most of the densely populated areas of jersey, even people who want to listen can't or if they can, don't like that it gets fuzzy or comes in mono.
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