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Did someone say colossal failure

I'd like to know how they are going to pay all the royalties or are they some how exempt?

jp
 
Re: On the contrary...

It's genius... pure genius!

MAC users understand the power of "widgets"... this single device will be the "killer app" that unleashes the power of online streaming. CBS has taken a bold and courageous step in the right direction.

This can be monetized in a big way... however, one major step remains. The widget has to be something that can be loaded onto cell phones, pda's, laptops, desktops, ipods, playstations, car radios and other portable audio/video units. It must be ubiquitous. The question is how?

One possible answer... "WiMAX" (google it).

Here's a tip... by CBS stock. They are on to something BIG.
 
I was playing around with the player last week. I like the idea of being able to move from station to station without having to jump in and out of websites. I wish more companies would do it.
 
Yeah, I agree. I really like CBS's streaming model. I stream quite a few online radio stations, and I will have to say that CBS has the best streaming player that works the best, has the fewest hiccups, and also has better sound quality than most others (most CBS streams are 64k). Also, I seem to like quite a few of CBS's stations and formats as well. So I'm hoping this does turn into something big.

And for those who haven't checked it out, you should check out the CBS streams and their player. Here's a great site from CBS with links to all of their stations and streams; www.cbsradio.com/streaming/index.html
 
I still rather have the streaming urls to put into WIndows Media Player or Winamp instead of having another window open. Guess for CBS Radio streams, this is the closest I can get.
 
Walter Graff said:
Starting June, 140 CBS stations, as well as the AOL Radio network will be available on the Web through a single media player.

Re: Did someone say colossal failure
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Why is it a colossal failure?
 
With long spot sets, stale playlists, and limited personality (sometimes no human on the air) why is this news? ???

yawn
 
Keith321 said:
Why is it a colossal failure?
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Outside of the fanboys that frequent this site and listen to internet radio the way a small group of folks listened to shortwave in the 70's, there are many reasons why it will not work the way they want it to. First content. Like radio it gets board real fast. Trying to make internet work simply because it is new and everyone is getting in to computers is not a reason. If a supermarket said they were going to sell milk differently by putting freezers in front of everyones house, it doesn't mean they'd sell more milk, just that it will be a different way for folks to get it. they'd soon find out that it cost them too much and they aren't increasing sales simply because of the milk. You have to sell something new. And those internet marketers predict all sorts of things such as that the internet would replace TV, and a bunch of other things that do not come true and never will. Some say internet radio will grow tremendously. I don't see that happening. The JACK radio format was a poor attempt by a public company to take a small successful Canadian internet idea and bring it to radio under the banner of corporate America. But crossing mediums doesn't often work. And public companies are into making money and lots of it because of the old-school radio income that says you should make lots. JACK did okay if you wanted to make money but corporations have goals that are often impossible to reach. Like satellite radio that has a lot of overhead, a big public corporation trying to do an internet thing means a lot of expense and waste. In the end shareholders want money, lots of it, and the idea that internet radio can be anywhere near as profitable overall as radio was in its heyday is ludicrous. That is what corporations still expect although the model died with WABC. The company will bleed and while it will have success at a mom and pop level, it ain't a mom and pop running CBS. AOL and CBS are desperate for a new revenue model. Figures they'd get together and try it. But once again they will set the bar high, too high. And being big and trying to narrow cast isn't always a success, especially with the quirky habits of internet radio listeners. CBS is out of touch with grass roots success of such a medium. It ain't an Ipod. When Ipods came out everyone had one. It was great, but now it's just another part of your day and CBS internet radio with all its cool customizations and single players is fun but will loose its audience once the hype wears off. And even then the hype will be small and confined to the fanboys of the internet. You can't take it with you. Cell phone carriers are trying to make it easy to download and play music anywhere you go, ain't working. One model of success is itunes. Usually in most consumer scenarios one company holds the ball form finding a model that works and the others keep trying to make it work with no success. I could go on... Just give it a year or so and let's have this conversation again.
 
Walter Graff said:
The JACK radio format was a poor attempt by a public company to take a small successful Canadian internet idea and bring it to radio under the banner of corporate America.
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Actually, it (and its guy's-first-name clones) was a successful Canadian radio idea...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_FM

Ironically, I tend to think of the Jack-FM concept as more of a reflection of the kinds of historically, culturally ignorant backwoods rubes and Cletuses that mainstream music radio's been left with in the age of the internet....
 
adma said:
Walter Graff said:
The JACK radio format was a poor attempt by a public company to take a small successful Canadian internet idea and bring it to radio under the banner of corporate America.
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Actually, it (and its guy's-first-name clones) was a successful Canadian radio idea...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_FM

Ironically, I tend to think of the Jack-FM concept as more of a reflection of the kinds of historically, culturally ignorant backwoods rubes and Cletuses that mainstream music radio's been left with in the age of the internet....
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Thats what I said. Jack was a successful Canadian niche internet station that CBS tried to make into a radio station. Big mistake. They didn't know Jack Sh#t about internet radio and why Jack was a success on the internet. They just thought making a xerox of a dollar bill meant you had two dollars.
 
Walter Graff said:
adma said:
Walter Graff said:
The JACK radio format was a poor attempt by a public company to take a small successful Canadian internet idea and bring it to radio under the banner of corporate America.
Click to expand...

Actually, it (and its guy's-first-name clones) was a successful Canadian radio idea...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_FM

Ironically, I tend to think of the Jack-FM concept as more of a reflection of the kinds of historically, culturally ignorant backwoods rubes and Cletuses that mainstream music radio's been left with in the age of the internet....
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Thats what I said. Jack was a successful Canadian niche internet station that CBS tried to make into a radio station. Big mistake. They didn't know Jack Sh#t about internet radio and why Jack was a success on the internet. They just thought making a xerox of a dollar bill meant you had two dollars.
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Read my link and my point, nitwit. It wasn't a "niche internet station". It was an actual terrestrial radio concept, which started in Vancouver and spread elsewhere...
 
And the idea came form an internet station. All I am saying is that while it was a success in Canada, didn't mean CBS would have a success on a natioanl scale as they tried. Sometimes time and place are what makes a station work, not format or former success somewhere else. As we know differnt markets show they have personal tastes, it si not one size fits all.

As for name calling, please don't do it around me. It is against the terms of service to make personal attacks.
 
Walter Graff said:
And the idea came form an internet station.
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Sorta, but if you notice from the link (and note my emphasis)...

One of the early originators of this format was radio programmer Bob Perry, on an American Internet radio stream in 2000. However, according to Rogers Communications, the only thing taken for the first JACK-FM radio station, in Vancouver, was the name and the tagline (both trademarked by Perry). The first JACK program director, Pat Cardinal says that he was unaware of the type of music on the American website and that "JACK" was one of several names that were considered for the format.
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Re: Walter Graff you are wrong

Like I suggested in my previous post, you should google WiMAX. This or something like it will take internet radio to the next level. And we are a lot closer than you realize.

The only downside to the CBS model is it's easy to duplicate. But that does not make it a bad model. What it does is it forces radio PD's to take their game to a whole new level. Which station will produce the next Howard Stern? Which urban/hip-hop mixer will make people want to to tune in and listen? Which morning show will be so compelling that people from across the country will actively seek them out. It's content that will make CBS's new flash player the success that it is destined to be. Content remains king. Once you give the people a reason to listen, they will.

And as for WiMAX... it will be this or some other method of making internet streaming available anywhere and at anytime. It's only a matter of time. The issue isn't really debatable. It's happening right now!
 
Walter Graff said:
Thats what I said. Jack was a successful Canadian niche internet station that CBS tried to make into a radio station. Big mistake.
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After you posted the wicked and bogus data about Hispanic radio format preferences, I thought I would look at what you had posted on other sibjects. I was not terribly surprised to find this post.

Jack was Bob Perry's internet startup out of the New York area. The name and slogan were licensed in Canada to use on a number of stations, around '02 or '03.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_FM for a reasonably accurate history of Jack, from the Internet in the US to real FMs in Canada to stations in the US.

In other words, in case it is not clear, Jack was not a successful Canadian niche internet station which in turn CBS tried to make into a radio station.

CBS simply bought a licence from the US radio syndicator of the Canadian radio format.

They didn't know Jack Sh#t about internet radio and why Jack was a success on the internet. They just thought making a xerox of a dollar bill meant you had two dollars.
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Jack was and still is a successful Canadian on air FM format. It is also a successful on air FM format in the US, with KCBS FM in LA currently being the top non-Hispanic station in LA and among the top 5 billers in the market. It's owned by CBS, too. There are about 40 Jack licencees in the US, who adopted the format based on its success in the largest Canadian markets, not on the internet stream.

You really ought to check the facts before you post this kind of stuff.
 
Don't forget that Bob FM in Winnipeg was on several months before the first Jack FM - and a wost-to-first ratings story to go with it. Not sure Howard Kroeger was even aware of the internet Jack thing...
 
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