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Digital Conflict Resolutions -- AKA The End of Round One (WARNING: VERY LONG POST)

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Well, earlier this week, elections for final digital channels ended. At least, the conflict resolutions for round one did. Any stations that were shown to be conflicting with each other and were NOT on their current digital station had to file to show that they would either:

A- Pick their current digital
B- Accept any interference
C- Tell the FCC that they would go to reduced power
D- Give up both elections and go to round 2

And a good number of each happened.

These stations chose A (the first number is the analog and the second is the digital; these stations had elected the analog and reverted to the digital to resolve the conflict):

WHDF-15/14 Florence/Huntsville, AL (UPN)
WAAY-31/32 Huntsville, AL (ABC)
KBWB-20/19 San Francisco, CA (WB)
KQED-9/30 San Francisco, CA (PBS) -- NOTE: Originally arranged for KRON to move to 30. KRON will now participate in Round Two.
KTBN-40/23 Santa Ana/Los Angeles, CA (TBN)
KFCT-22/21 Fort Collins/Denver, CO (Fox // KDVR-31)
WDCA-20/35 Washington, DC (UPN)
WCLF-22/21 Clearwater/Tampa, FL (CTN Religious)
WOFL-35/22 Orlando, FL (Fox)
WCLP-18/33 Chatsworth, GA/Chattanooga, TN (PBS // WGTV-8)
WJSP-28/23 Columbus, GA (PBS // WGTV-8)
WPXA-14/51 Rome/Atlanta, GA (Pax... and I refuse to call it 'i' because that's far too confusing)
WNEG-32/24 Toccoa, GA (CBS)
WICD-15/41 Champaign, IL (NBC; flips to ABC next summer)
WICS-20/42 Springfield, IL (NBC // WICD-15 most of the time; flips to ABC next summer)
WNKY-40/16 Bowling Green, KY (NBC)
WHNO-20/21 New Orleans, LA (LeSea Religious)
WFXT-25/31 Boston, MA (Fox)
WBFF-45/46 Baltimore, MD (Fox)
WUTB-24/41 Baltimore, MD (UPN)
WPXT-51/43 Portland, ME (WB)
KETC-9/39 St. Louis, MO (PBS)
WITN-7/32 Washington/Greenville, NC (NBC)
WWOR-9/38 Secaucus, NJ/New York, NY (UPN)
KREN-27/26 Reno, NV (WB)
WUTV-29/14 Buffalo, NY (Fox)
WNYO-49/34 Buffalo, NY (WB)
WABC-7/45 New York, NY (ABC) -- NOTE: WABC has asked the FCC for a waiver of their interference rules as WNJB-DT 8 refuses to accept interference from WABC. WABC requests that the FCC not open up channel 7 in Round Two until the FCC makes a decision on the waiver. If the rule is waived, WABC instead elects channel 7.
WBNS-10/21 Columbus, OH (CBS)
WKEF-22/51 Dayton, OH (ABC)
WRGT-45/30 Dayton, OH (Fox)
WKBN-27/41 Youngstown, OH (CBS) -- NOTE: I believe this station had been hoping to flash-cut to digital on channel 27 due to financial difficulties (they are trying the same elsewhere it seems), however I believe this election now requires them to get on the air by July of next year.
KSWO-7/11 Lawton, OH (ABC)
WTAJ-10/32 Altoona, PA (CBS)
WITF-33/36 Harrisburg, PA (PBS)
WBSC-40/14 Anderson/Greenville, SC (WB)
WHTN-39/38 Murfreesboro/Nashville, TN (CTN Religious)
KPXB-49/5 Conroe/Houston, TX (PAX) -- NOTE: I think that KPXB may attempt to get a different election in Round Three, as PAX is not keeping any of its other stations on low-VHF.
KDFI-27/36 Dallas, TX (Ind.)
KERA-13/14 Dallas, TX (PBS)
KTXS-12/20 Sweetwater/Abilene, TX (ABC)
KVCT-19/11 Victoria, TX (Fox)
KXXV-25/26 Waco, TX (ABC)
WSLS-10/30 Roanoke, VA (NBC)
KVOS-12/35 Bellingham, WA/Vancouver, Canada (Ind.)
WGBA-26/41 Green Bay, WI (NBC)
WXOW-19/14 La Crosse, WI (ABC)
WMSN-47/11 Madison, WI (Fox)
WMTV-15/19 Madison, WI (NBC)

I will not list the other stations that opted to keep their current elections either by accepting interference or dropping power, as that is a much longer list. However, unless there's a mistake on the FCC site, it seems that KTRK-13/32 in Houston (an ABC O&O) did not file an interference resolution and is the only station not to do so.

However, these stations will be entering Round Two in addition to those that elected to do so and KRON as mentioned above:

KTNC-42/63 Concord/San Francisco/Sacramento, CA (Azteca America)
KESQ-42/52 Palm Springs, CA (ABC)
WWSB-40/52 Sarasota, FL (ABC)
WHAG-25/55 Hagerstown, MD (NBC)
WKAR-23/55 East Lansing, MI (PBS)
WTVA-9/57 Tupelo, MS (NBC)
WSWP-9/53 Grandview/Beckley, WV (PBS)

In addition, these two stations had their initial elections of their digitals ACCEPTED but filed to enter Round Two anyway:

WIPB-49/52 Muncie/Indianapolis, IN (PBS)
WCFN-49/53 Springfield, IL (UPN)

--

So now it's WILD PREDICTION TIME. This is the part of the post where I make predictions about the elections of stations participating in Round Two. This may not be a complete list, but it's most of them.

WLGA-66/31 Opelika, AL/Columbus, GA (UPN) -- I predict them looking at maybe channel 47 which is being abandoned by WTVM-9. Perhaps they have a deal to move to 47 now that their tower has collapsed?

WAKA-8/55 Selma, AL (CBS) -- Since they didn't go after 8, they must not be looking at VHF frequencies. I wonder if they might try for channel 14, however, as it was used by WSFA, the NBC station in the area...

WLDM-23/0 Tuscaloosa/Birmingham, AL (Ind.) -- I'm not predicting this one. They could go after channel 5, which is being abandoned by ABC WCFT. That would be a bad move, but I'm not prepared to make a prediction here.

KETS-2/5 Little Rock, AR (PBS) -- Channel 7 or 11, whichever gives them more coverage. I know it. They objected to the arrangement that KATV had with KVTN that said KATV would stay on 22 and KVTN would get to move to their abandoned 7 and therefore had it thrown out. No one else in Arkansas is in Round Two.

KFTU-3/0 Douglas/Tucson, AZ (TeleFutura) -- No prediction, since I honestly have no idea what stations are available on the Mexican border.

KAJB-50/54 Calipatria/El Centro, CA (TeleFutura) -- Channel 7. Univision KVYE elected 22 instead of their channel 7, so I expect this station to jump on it.

KTNC-42/63 Concord, CA (Azteca America) and KTFK-64/62 Stockton, CA (TeleFutura) -- These two are together because I think they will wind up side-by-side on the band. They are on the same mountain targetting the same two areas (San Francisco and Sacramento). It's possible that they could wind up on 14 and 15.

KTVU-2/56 Oakland, CA (Fox) and KRON-4/57 San Francisco, CA (Ind.) -- These two are together because they are from the same place and are therefore interchangable. KGO-DT is releasing 24 in favor of 7, and since it's already there, it'll more than likely be open. KBHK is surrendering their analog on 44 in favor of 45, and there's KCSM-DT on 43, so channel 44 is practically wide open also.

KESQ-42/52 Palm Springs, CA (ABC) -- I think they might wind up on channel 25, which was released by KGTV in San Diego, assuming it's far enough from KGET-DT 25 in Bakersfield.

KRCA-62/68 Riverside/Los Angeles, CA (Spanish) -- My guess is 22, but it could be anywhere really.

KVIE-6/53 Sacramento, CA (PBS) -- Channels 26 and 42 both look open to me, but I'm leaning more toward 42, simply because it's being surrendered by KTNC. I imagine KTNC gave it up because they'd have to protect KCSM-DT and KKPX-DT in San Francisco, thus killing their coverage there. That means that 42 is likely wide open east of the mountains.

KFTY-50/54 Santa Rosa, CA (Ind.) -- Watch for them to go for channel 13 if it's available. KOVR in Sacramento surrendered it and Santa Rosa appears to be far enough away from KCBA-DT in Monterey/Salinas for it to work. If channel 13 is not available, then I don't know.

WEDY-65/6 New Haven, CT (PBS // WEDH) -- They've got less than a 10-mile coverage radius, so it's difficult to judge, but my guess would be channels 7 (if WABC loses their waiver request) or 8 (if WABC winds up on 7).

WKMG-6/58 Orlando, FL (CBS) -- They tried to do an arrangement with WCEU to move to channel 15 but it was rejected due to interference with WBBH in Fort Myers. I really don't know, since I don't think channel 9 (abandoned by WFTV) will be available due to channel 9 (WINK-DT) in Fort Myers.

WWSB-40/52 Sarasota, FL (ABC) -- My guess is channel 24, since WTSP-DT is moving back to 10, but they could really wind up with any open frequency in the area.

WEDU-3/54 Tampa, FL (PBS) -- If they don't jump on channel 8 if available, I will eat my shoe. Channel 8 is a wide-open VHF--the only other channel 8 in all of Florida is WGEM-DT in Key West, and they've got almost no power anyway. I doubt WWSB-DT will be able to go for it due to spacing issues with WINK-DT 9 in Fort Myers and WFLA-DT 7 in Tampa.

WPTV-5/55 West Palm Beach, FL -- I really can't say, but I don't think there are any VHFs open for them, so it's quite possible that they could wind up on channel 51, which is wide open.

WXFT-60/59 Aurora, IL (TeleFutura) and WGBO-66/53 Joliet, IL (Univision) -- I expect one of them to try and grab channel 9, abandoned by WGN, if the protection of WWTO isn't too severe. I also think channel 24's open, but this is a very congested area so anything's possible.

WCFN-49/53 Springfield, IL (UPN) -- I'm guessing they didn't want to risk self-interference (co-owned WCIA will be on digital 48 and has already been built out) so they chose to go elsewhere. Where that elsewhere is is anyone's guess at this point.

WIPB-49/52 Muncie, IN (PBS) -- I'm not sure why they opted to move at the last minute, so I don't know where they're going, unless they were concerned about issues with WTTV-DT on 48.

WWDP-46/52 Norwell, MA (ShopNBC) -- I imagine they couldn't go on 46 due to protection of WYDN-DT 47 in Worcester. My guess is that they'll look at channel 42 (along with a move-in to Boston) or maybe channel 23.

WNYA-51/0 Pittsfield, MA (UPN) -- Channel 4. They've already applied for it.

WMAR-2/52 Baltimore, MD (ABC) -- Expect some money to change hands and WMAR to wind up on WJZ's abandoned 38. Unless WMAR wants to re-build out a channel 38 that's already there, or can find a better channel (39?).

WHAG-25/55 Hagerstown, MD (NBC) -- Unless interference with WFDC-DT on 15 is an issue (which I don't think it will be) look for WHAG to end up on channel 16. It'll be open and low on the band.

WJAL-68/16 Silver Spring [Hagerstown for the moment], MD (Ind. - probably becoming Univision eventually) -- At first I thought we could expect to see them on channel 39 or 34, but perhaps they want channel 14, which is being abandoned by WFDC. I feel pretty confident about channel 14.

WCML-6/58 Alpena, MI (PBS // WCMU) -- Channel 13. WBKB is opening it up and I don't see why they wouldn't go for it, unless they decide against high-VHF.

WJBK-2/58 Detroit, MI (Fox) -- Don't know. At first I thought about channel 7, which WXYZ is leaving open, and it's a possibility if they're willing to do something to deal with WOOD-DT. But they might go for something more open. What that is... no idea.

WKAR-23/55 East Lansing, MI (PBS) -- I'm fairly confident that channel 26 is going to be open after this (unless there's a Canadian station I forgot to take into account) and I think WKAR could wind up there.

WCMU-14/56 Mount Pleasant, MI (PBS) -- WJRT in Flint is leaving 36 open, and I don't see anything that could interfere with it there.

KQTV-2/53 St. Joseph, MO (ABC) -- With KETV in Omaha dropping channel 7, expect to see KQTV go the VHF route on this one if they want to save some money (which isn't a bad idea in such a small market). Channel 7 will likely be available for them.

KMOV-4/56 St. Louis, MO (CBS) -- I don't see anything wrong with channel 11, and Belo isn't afraid to accept interference to keep its VHFs from what I've seen. Channel 9 won't work though.

WKDH-45 Houston, MS (ABC) and WTVA-9/57 Tupelo, MS (NBC) -- Even though channel 9 is troublesome, it looks like both 7 and 8 will be open in this area. Look for these two to nab one each.

WEPX-38 Greenville, NC (PAX) -- They had their NCA to move to channel 51 rejected due to failing to make the proper agreements. If channel 51 shows up, expect them to take it.

KCPM-27 (UPN) and KGFE-2/56 Grand Forks, ND (PBS) -- Look for KGFE to try to get channel 23, as they already own a channel 23 transmitter down in Fargo (it would make good $en$e). KCPM could show up on any number of channels.

KTUW-16 Scottsbluff, NE (CP--not yet built) -- If channel 10 shows up, expect KTUW to grab it. I just don't know if KHSD in Lead, SD is too close or not.

KTFQ-14 Albuquerque, NM (TeleFutura) -- If they like VHFs, we'll see KTFQ on channel 11. If not, could be any number of channels.

KOBG-6 Silver City, NM (NBC // KOB) -- I'd guess 12, as it's already allocated there.

KBNY-6 Ely, NV (???) -- Why bother? There's a whole band open, VHF and UHF.

KTVY-7 Goldfield, NV (Imagin-Asia, according to Equity's site) -- They tried to get assigned digital 31 a few years back, so they could go for that, or go for a VHF they could move closer to Vegas.

WPXJ-51 Batavia, NY (Pax) -- Despite electing to go to Round Two, I think a recent letter granting them permission to flash-cut on channel 51 trumps the election. Not sure though.

WCBS-2/56 New York, NY (CBS) -- Channel 30. Pax is abandoning it and it's open for miles in all directions. I don't know WHY Pax gave it up, unless CBS paid them off.

WKYC-3/2 Cleveland, OH (NBC) -- I don't think any VHFs are open, so look for them to look at open UHFs, like channel 31 (currently Fox WJW, which is returning to 8).

KOTV-2/56 (NBC), KJRH-6/55 Tulsa, OK (CBS), and KWBT-19 Muskogee, OK (WB) -- I don't know how the elections will be decided, but channel 10 is going to be open and I'm expecting a fight over it, unless Scripps doesn't want a VHF (and being that all of their stations have elected UHFs I think, and WXYZ probably faced issues) in which case I'm guessing that KJRH will wind up on 10. The others could appear on any number of others, especially 38. Look for one to go for 38, since KOED will be moving off of 38 in favor of 11. The other... dunno.

KPOU-16 LaGrande, OR (Univision) -- They're in the middle of nowhere 200+ miles from Portland, but are must-carry on Portland's systems I think. I'm almost expecting them to go VHF just to save money, but they could try to find a channel that's open in Portland also so as to move in at a later time.

WPVI-6/64 (ABC) and WCAU-10/67 Philadelphia, PA (NBC) -- WCAU did have an arrangement to move to channel 34 with WYBE moving back to 35, but WPVI objected and the FCC threw it out, putting both in election area and WYBE back on 34. Channel 35 still looks workable, and I think 33 will also be open. If WCAU winds up on 35 again, I wonder if we'll see them try to deal with WYBE again to get 34 instead.

WYFF-4/59 Greenville, SC (NBC) -- Channel 35 will be open in multiple directions and may be the best available frequency. I expect someone in this region to wind up here, as it's open across Virginia and the Carolinas.

KNBN-21 Rapid City, SD (NBC) -- The two upper-VHF stations opted to stay, so I imagine KNBN will elect channel 7, as channel 9 may have problems with KHSD in Lead.

WOAI-4/58 (NBC) and KENS-5 San Antonio, TX (CBS) -- KWEX is abandoning 38 for their analog 41 and KSAT is abandoning 48 for 12. I think we'll see at least one these stations on at least one of those frequencies.

KUPT-22 Wolfforth, TX (UPN) -- They might go for channel 13, which KLBK is abandoning. Otherwise, the band is very open.

KCBU-3 Price, UT (TeleFutura) and KBCJ-6 Vernal, UT (???) -- No clue. Both bands are relatively open, so I don't really know, but I'd look for KCBU in particular to look very hard at an upper VHF to try and get some kind of signal into Salt Lake City.

WNVC-56/57 Fairfax, VA (Ethnic) and WPXW-66/43 Manassas, VA (PAX) -- At first I'd thought that 34 and 39 would fit, but I'm starting to lean toward the idea that WPXW might end up on channel 31, making a chain of PAX stations on 31 from New York to Philly to DC. WNVC in that case would most likely show up on channel 34, as channel 39 might not be available to due trouble with channel 38 in Baltimore.

WCAX-3/53 Burlington, VT (CBS) -- I'm not familiar with Canadian stations, so I'm not sure about what's open, but they might look at channel 16, which was WVNY's original election before they changed it to 13.

WSWP-9/53 Grandview, WV (PBS // WPBY) -- I think they want to keep a VHF if possible, but may be having trouble not only with WSLS (which I think was the reason for their interference notice) but also with WVNS on 8. If WVNS is not as big of an issue as I think it is, then expect WSWP to either reapply for 9 or to try and see if they can grab 7.

KCWY-13 Casper, WY (NBC) -- Based on their other stations, it looks like they want to keep VHFs where possible, so look for KCWY to investigate channel 12 or any others that are open.

DISCLAIMER: These are just my guesses based on what I've seen so far. None of the information in my predictions is guaranteed fact, simply predictions.

Thoughts?

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A request for ALL replies! (PLEASE READ) & My Responses

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> WEDY-65/6 New Haven, CT (PBS // WEDH) -- They've got less
> than a 10-mile coverage radius, so it's difficult to judge,
> but my guess would be channels 7 (if WABC loses their waiver
> request) or 8 (if WABC winds up on 7).

The plan for WEDY is, that if WEDH can get 45 (Depends on if WEDN gets 9 or not), WEDH will operate 45 at a location that will completley encompass the land area of WEDY, thus they will surrender the license of WEDY.

> WNYA-51/0 Pittsfield, MA (UPN) -- Channel 4. They've
> already applied for it.

WNYA has other plans as well that I won't discuss here, but I know that 4 is not the final answer for them.

> WCAX-3/53 Burlington, VT (CBS) -- I'm not familiar with
> Canadian stations, so I'm not sure about what's open, but
> they might look at channel 16, which was WVNY's original
> election before they changed it to 13.

WCAX is going after 22 once WVNY is on 13, is the latest I've heard at a recent SBE event.
 
Re: A request for ALL replies! (PLEASE READ) & My Responses

> The plan for WEDY is, that if WEDH can get 45 (Depends on if
> WEDN gets 9 or not), WEDH will operate 45 at a location that
> will completley encompass the land area of WEDY, thus they
> will surrender the license of WEDY.

Can they do that, though, what with WABC-DT on channel 45 (assuming they don't get 7)?

> WNYA has other plans as well that I won't discuss here, but
> I know that 4 is not the final answer for them.

Do you know if WRGB and their channel 6 election has other plans also?

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Low-V elections

I remember posting a little while back how relatively few stations have opted for low-V channels. How many stations are opting for low-V now?

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Digital Conflict Resolutions -- Arizona (long response)

In El Centro/Calipatria CA (Yuma AZ), KVYE and KAJB are co-owned and I'm pretty certain that an NCA between the two stations was accepted by the FCC whereby KVYE will use their DTV allocation, channel 22, and KAJB will set up on channel 7.

Depending on FCC allocation rules, KFTU may or may not have many options in Douglas. The question is, will they be able to select any channel they wish, as long as they don't interfere with other full-power or Mexican channels, or are they limited to the current DTV and analog allocations that will be vacated within the Tucson market?

If the former, then I would imagine that only stations in Tucson, Sierra Vista, Nogales SO, and Agua Prieta SO would be an issue. From Tucson, channels 9, 19, 23, 25, 28, 30, 32, 40 and 46 are selected for DTV. From Sierra Vista, channel 44. From Nogales SO, channels 2, 7, 22, 38 and 50 will still operate in analog. Agua Prieta SO has low-power analog stations on channels 12 and 17, and I don't imagine that the Mexican gov't would allow those to be used. Given the interference problems encountered in the selection process, I doubt that channels 8 and 10 would be available, and I doubt that the Mexican gov't would allow use of channels 11 or 13 due to channel 12 in Agua Prieta, even though the latter is extremely low-power and its transmitter close enough to KFTU's to allow adjacent channel operation. It's likely then that KFTU would opt for a UHF channel assignment, but I don't see them operating on channels 16 or 18 either, again, due to an adjacent Mexican station in the area. The rest of the in-core UHF spectrum is wide open.

If the latter, then their choices would be much more limited. Channels 4 and 6 are low-VHF, channel 58 is out-of-core, and channels 11, 13 and 18 would probably not be allowed by Mexico, leaving channels 27, 35, 42 and 47. KFTU is Telefutura and KUVE ch. 46 in Tucson is Univision, currently using 47 as their DTV station (assuming their DTV signal is on.) Does that make ch. 47 the favorite for KFTU, or would they tweak the Telemundo translator on 28 (not likely) by opting for 27? I believe that there is ample distance and terrain shielding between Tucson and Douglas to allow adjacent-channel operations on 27 or 47, but if not, that would limit their choices further. My prediction: channel 47.

There's still the question of KNAZ in Flagstaff. For whatever reason, they chose 2 instead of going to their allocated DTV channel, 22. Trip, I know you think they're angling for channel 9, which KCFG is vacating, but if that's the case, then why did they not do as KAJB did and reject their DTV allocation in favor of participating in round 2? Since they elected channel 2, will they even be allowed to participate in round 2?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by dhett on 08/19/05 05:21 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Digital Conflict Resolutions -- AKA The End of Round One (WARNING: VERY LONG POST)

One correction-WICD/Champaign and WICS/Springfield will in fact flip to ABC THIS summer. Specifically, September 5th.

>>>KUPT-22 Wolfforth, TX (UPN) -- They might go for channel 13, which KLBK is abandoning. Otherwise, the band is very open.<<<

KLBK abandoning it's analog 13 seems to be part of the owner's plan to drop all original analog assignments. Unless I've misread, all Nexstar stations have opted for the digital assignment. It's one of the reasons the analog channel numbers have been dropped from the branding of quite a few of their properties, placing emphasis on the call letters instead, which can be seen at their website.
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Re: Digital Conflict Resolutions -- Arizona (long response)

> In El Centro/Calipatria CA (Yuma AZ), KVYE and KAJB are
> co-owned and I'm pretty certain that an NCA between the two
> stations was accepted by the FCC whereby KVYE will use their
> DTV allocation, channel 22, and KAJB will set up on channel
> 7.

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/...xt=25&appn=101043354&formid=382&fac_num=40517

It says Round Two. But KVYE did stick with 22, so since there are no other channels in the area, they should have no competition for the channel 7 anyway.

> Depending on FCC allocation rules, KFTU may or may not have
> many options in Douglas. The question is, will they be able
> to select any channel they wish, as long as they don't
> interfere with other full-power or Mexican channels, or are
> they limited to the current DTV and analog allocations that
> will be vacated within the Tucson market?
>
> If the former, then I would imagine that only stations in
> Tucson, Sierra Vista, Nogales SO, and Agua Prieta SO would
> be an issue. From Tucson, channels 9, 19, 23, 25, 28, 30,
> 32, 40 and 46 are selected for DTV. From Sierra Vista,
> channel 44. From Nogales SO, channels 2, 7, 22, 38 and 50
> will still operate in analog. Agua Prieta SO has low-power
> analog stations on channels 12 and 17, and I don't imagine
> that the Mexican gov't would allow those to be used. Given
> the interference problems encountered in the selection
> process, I doubt that channels 8 and 10 would be available,
> and I doubt that the Mexican gov't would allow use of
> channels 11 or 13 due to channel 12 in Agua Prieta, even
> though the latter is extremely low-power and its transmitter
> close enough to KFTU's to allow adjacent channel operation.
> It's likely then that KFTU would opt for a UHF channel
> assignment, but I don't see them operating on channels 16 or
> 18 either, again, due to an adjacent Mexican station in the
> area. The rest of the in-core UHF spectrum is wide open.
>
> If the latter, then their choices would be much more
> limited. Channels 4 and 6 are low-VHF, channel 58 is
> out-of-core, and channels 11, 13 and 18 would probably not
> be allowed by Mexico, leaving channels 27, 35, 42 and 47.
> KFTU is Telefutura and KUVE ch. 46 in Tucson is Univision,
> currently using 47 as their DTV station (assuming their DTV
> signal is on.) Does that make ch. 47 the favorite for KFTU,
> or would they tweak the Telemundo translator on 28 (not
> likely) by opting for 27? I believe that there is ample
> distance and terrain shielding between Tucson and Douglas to
> allow adjacent-channel operations on 27 or 47, but if not,
> that would limit their choices further. My prediction:
> channel 47.

I imagine that KFTU will try really hard to get channel 11 or something, possibly trying to move it north in the process.

> There's still the question of KNAZ in Flagstaff. For
> whatever reason, they chose 2 instead of going to their
> allocated DTV channel, 22. Trip, I know you think they're
> angling for channel 9, which KCFG is vacating, but if that's
> the case, then why did they not do as KAJB did and reject
> their DTV allocation in favor of participating in round 2?
> Since they elected channel 2, will they even be allowed to
> participate in round 2?

No, but they will get to participate in Round Three where "any station that does not have a final allocation, or any station with a low-VHF allocation, will be allowed to make a selection." I think this will be the case not only with KNAZ, but also WLBZ Bangor ME and many of the other low-VHF elections we've seen (KIEM-3 in Eureka, for example, going after 13).

I'm just hoping that my local PBS takes the opportunity to get SOMETHING other than channel 3 (their engineer tells me that they intend to STAY on channel 3), and with WOAY in Oak Hill WV choosing 4 and having to agree to accept interference from them, I don't think my PBS station can boost power on 3 like the engineer had said they could (they're running at 1/4 power which is all the FCC would let them run).

I'm expecting most of the stations that made low-VHF elections to try to get high-VHFs in Round Three.

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Re: Digital Conflict Resolutions -- AKA The End of Round One (WARNING: VERY LONG POST)

KLBK abandoning it's analog 13 seems to be part of the owner's plan to drop all original analog assignments. Unless I've misread, all Nexstar stations have opted for the digital assignment. It's one of the reasons the analog channel numbers have been dropped from the branding of quite a few of their properties, placing emphasis on the call letters instead, which can be seen at their website.

No, I think it's a money thing. Nexstar appears to be sticking with whatever their digital assignment was since they're in such bad financial trouble that they can barely afford to build them out in the first place.

Example: WYOU-22/13 and WBRE-28/11 will be keeping the VHFs that they were assigned by the FCC for digital.

The only one that I can think of that's NOT keeping its digital is WCFN-DT 53 in Springfield, which it can't keep anyway, so maybe they'll go for an upper-VHF if it's available.

Though why they'd be dropping their channel-branding when they can continue to remap is beyond me.

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Re: Low-V elections

> I remember posting a little while back how relatively few
> stations have opted for low-V channels. How many stations
> are opting for low-V now?
>
> I still have the suspicion that either (a) the FCC will see
> so few stations on low-V they will force them to channel 7
> or higher; or (b) those stations will discover how terrible
> low-V is for DTV and want to change channels soon after the
> cut off of analog ...

After Round Three, I'm expecting for many of the low-VHF elections that did happen to disappear... in which case the FCC probably will abolish 2-6, since the number of stations in the whole band would likely be somewhere between 2 and 6. =P

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Question for Trip

> I will not list the other stations that opted to keep their
> current elections either by accepting interference or
> dropping power, as that is a much longer list. However,
> unless there's a mistake on the FCC site, it seems that
> KTRK-13/32 in Houston (an ABC O&O) did not file an
> interference resolution and is the only station not to do
> so.


Where did you find this on the FCC website?
Under the CDBS search page? or somewhere else?
 
Re: Question for Trip

> > I will not list the other stations that opted to keep
> their
> > current elections either by accepting interference or
> > dropping power, as that is a much longer list. However,
> > unless there's a mistake on the FCC site, it seems that
> > KTRK-13/32 in Houston (an ABC O&O) did not file an
> > interference resolution and is the only station not to do
> > so.
>
>
> Where did you find this on the FCC website?
> Under the CDBS search page? or somewhere else?

Directions:

1- Go here: http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_sear.htm
2- Under 'Application Type' choose 'First Round Conflict' and there's a list. You have to look at each one individually.
3- To see all the first round elections (not the conflicts) and whether or not they were approved, instead choose 'First Round Elections.'

If people search for particular stations, make sure you put a % after the call sign, so that if it's, say, WXXX-TV and not WXXX it'll still come up.

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Re: Low-V elections

> After Round Three, I'm expecting for many of the low-VHF
> elections that did happen to disappear... in which case the
> FCC probably will abolish 2-6, since the number of stations
> in the whole band would likely be somewhere between 2 and 6.
> =P

LOL ...

I still think someone should file a formal petition with the FCC to have channels 5 and 6 reallocated to an expansion of the FM band. There is a thread somewhere on R-I (Coast to Coast Radio, I think) that developed the thought of allowing AMs with lower powers and higher directional arrays to migrate to a new 76-88MHz FM assignment if they agreed to broadcast exclusively in digital and vacate the original AM frequency after a specified period of simulcasting. (Somewhat like the way the expansion of AM to 1700kHz was set up.)

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Re: Low-V elections

> After Round Three, I'm expecting for many of the low-VHF
> elections that did happen to disappear... in which case the
> FCC probably will abolish 2-6

That would be a nice present for TV-DXers, opening up the lowband V's for hauling in ionospheric skip from Latin American analog stations, especially around the next sunspot peak in 2011.
 
Re: Low-V elections

> I still think someone should file a formal petition with the
> FCC to have channels 5 and 6 reallocated to an expansion of
> the FM band. There is a thread somewhere on R-I (Coast to
> Coast Radio, I think) that developed the thought of allowing
> AMs with lower powers and higher directional arrays to
> migrate to a new 76-88MHz FM assignment if they agreed to
> broadcast exclusively in digital and vacate the original AM
> frequency after a specified period of simulcasting.
> (Somewhat like the way the expansion of AM to 1700kHz was
> set up.)

Sounds good to me, though I'd suggest reserving at least 86-88 to expand the non-comm part of the FM band under the condition that only existing stations can move there if they can prove they provide an important local service (local being the key word that would prevent the satellite-fed crap).

Example, WVTF Roanoke (WVTU and WVTW Charlottesville, WVTR Marion, and WISE-FM Wise) has started an all NPR/BBC talk service called 'Radio IQ' which is on an AM station in Christiansburg, WFFC 89.9 (which they bought from Ferrum college) and I think a translator in Roanoke. The band is so jammed with religious stations that there's nowhere for them to put another Class C FM station to do that with. I'd love to see Radio IQ get a C-class station to work with. WNRN/WNRS is another one, they are a very interesting modern rock station that has live DJs that are local and I love listening... except that I'm 40 miles out and am lucky their Class A signal is on a mountain or else I'd never receive the signal.

I have other opinions on uses, but I've tried to type it three times and I can't get it to come out right (summary of one: use channel 2 spectrum for digitals that "remap" to areas in the band via a narrow digital datastream IN the band to tell the radio where to tune; Ex: a datastream on 107.7 in tells it to tune to 55.1 or something).

> It's doubtful there is any potential for other uses of that
> band now anyway, unless the FCC made channels 2-6 a
> protected area for analog LPTV or some such thing.

Hmm... perhaps channels 3 and 4 could be reserved for people to hook their VCRs to antennas with...

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