This is now. Look here to see that Dusty Rhodes is still on the air in Cincinnati. http://www.oldies1160.com/page.php?page_id=9837Icangelp said:
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vibe said:
I can't even pick up WOWO in Chicago anymore because of WRTO.
radioman148 said:
Ah, but 1200 was dropped into Chicago several years before WOWO was downgraded. It sits neatly in the mutual nulls between WOWO and KEX, and is just far enough from San Antonio to get night power (albeit very directional, just like the former WAIT 820 night facility.)
As for the "neutered" WOWO, what's often forgotten is that it wasn't really cut down all that much. The power reduction from 50 kW to 9.8 kW, by itself, reduced WOWO's coverage only slightly. The addition of WLIB's 30 kW at night on the channel affected WOWO's coverage only slightly, too, unless you happen to be inside WLIB's very narrowly directional nighttime lobe that beams eastward from northern NJ over NYC and out to sea.
In a sense, the real downgrade of WOWO still hasn't happened. While WOWO was reduced on paper from a class A to a class B signal, it's still being protected de facto, if not de jure, because of a long-running legal battle among other occupants of 1190 (Kansas City, Atlanta, and a few others) that has prevented any of those stations from increasing their power and causing new interference to WOWO.
Which is to say...what matters much more than a 50 kW output power is the amount of interference protection a station receives. I vividly remember when the expanded AM band opened in the mid-90s, and it was common, briefly, to be able to hear KXBT from Vallejo, California almost every night in the Boston area. KXBT was running just 1000 watts - but it had 1640 all to itself.
At least for now, WOWO still enjoys the same interference protection (except in and east of NYC) that it had as a class A station. If and when the other stations on 1190 resolve their disputes and power up, that will change dramatically.
WPPA Pottsville PA is another unusual directional signal.
When I used to work in Pottsville, I 'd occasionally tune in Phillies night games while back and forth to various errands and commutes, on 1360 WPPA.
They're 5000 watts day but cut it back at night to 500 plus pull it toward Hartford and Cincinnati. As a result, at night you cannot listen to this station either in Minersville (to the west) and in Port Carbon (to the east). And if their five-on-a-die array was lit at night, you'd be able to see this dazzling display of radio engineering from either of those two towns.
I don't know which is the bigger punchline :
1) During the day, the station actually has a pronounced LOBE both to the east and west, or,
2) One night in Minersville, I got a nice ID with them on -- from WDRC, one of the stations they protect at night.
When I used to work in Pottsville, I 'd occasionally tune in Phillies night games while back and forth to various errands and commutes, on 1360 WPPA.
They're 5000 watts day but cut it back at night to 500 plus pull it toward Hartford and Cincinnati. As a result, at night you cannot listen to this station either in Minersville (to the west) and in Port Carbon (to the east). And if their five-on-a-die array was lit at night, you'd be able to see this dazzling display of radio engineering from either of those two towns.
I don't know which is the bigger punchline :
1) During the day, the station actually has a pronounced LOBE both to the east and west, or,
2) One night in Minersville, I got a nice ID with them on -- from WDRC, one of the stations they protect at night.
Scott Fybush said:
I presume then from what you're saying that WOWO is still heard up & down the east coast except in and around the NYC area.
I haven't been east since the WOWO downgrade.
schmave said:
That's what I was thinking. It doesn't appear that it's sending anywhere near the signal to the east that it used to even if you're away from NYC.
I believe Scott was pointing out that the other 1190ers and adjacents haven't 'moved in' to claim any more of WOWO's nighttime coverage by loosening their signals toward Fort Wayne.
Which often leaves WOWO atop many, if not most, of the nighttime dials where it used to bomb in. It won't be the huge 'third' station it used to be along that 1170/1180/1190 corridor at night, but it'll be there.
I'd speculate that if our aforementioned WPPA 1360 managed to buy WDRC, or come to some agreement, and make them run 890 watts at night so WPPA could expand more of its signal East after dark, that WDRC still would be heard in many places. Yet, WSAI Cincinnati wouldn't easily be able to loosen their own signal east. Nor would 1360 McKeesport PA. Nor would Binghmapton, Sioux City, Green Bay, et al. They'd all be blocked.
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Odd. Speaking of 1190 here during the day : For the longest while here, on 1190, normal reception -- car radio -- was from WANN Annapolis - Bay Country. But WLIB is discernably louder than it now. The loop and radio is about 150 miles west of NYC.
Which often leaves WOWO atop many, if not most, of the nighttime dials where it used to bomb in. It won't be the huge 'third' station it used to be along that 1170/1180/1190 corridor at night, but it'll be there.
I'd speculate that if our aforementioned WPPA 1360 managed to buy WDRC, or come to some agreement, and make them run 890 watts at night so WPPA could expand more of its signal East after dark, that WDRC still would be heard in many places. Yet, WSAI Cincinnati wouldn't easily be able to loosen their own signal east. Nor would 1360 McKeesport PA. Nor would Binghmapton, Sioux City, Green Bay, et al. They'd all be blocked.
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Odd. Speaking of 1190 here during the day : For the longest while here, on 1190, normal reception -- car radio -- was from WANN Annapolis - Bay Country. But WLIB is discernably louder than it now. The loop and radio is about 150 miles west of NYC.
Steve Green NEPA said:
Can you get WOWO at all at night?
I now live in greater Cincinnati and WDJO blasts into my west side neighborhood day and night, but I'm boycotting Dusty until he reduces my real estate evaluation next year.KyDXIn said:
For out of towners, Dusty is both Auditor of Hamilton County and a DJ (and part owner?) of WDJO here in Cincy. Some people never grow up.
radioman148 said:
WLIB's 30 kW night signal definitely causes significant interference to WOWO in New England. The WLIB night pattern is rather complex; there's a major lobe to the east-southeast, over New York City and out Long Island, and a smaller lobe to the north, up the Hudson Valley. There's a null between them, "protecting" the former facilities of CHTN 1190 on Prince Edward Island, and that null falls over parts of New England - but there's still enough WLIB signal going up that way to wreak havoc with WLIB.
The recent power increase of WKOX 1200 in the Boston market doesn't help matters any, and neither does WHAM's IBOC slop from 1180.
There was also a change in WOWO's night directional pattern that created a shallow null toward New York.
Icangelp said:I now live in greater Cincinnati and WDJO blasts into my west side neighborhood day and night, but I'm boycotting Dusty until he reduces my real estate evaluation next year.KyDXIn said:
I don't blame you. I'd do the same thing if one of my local politicians was on the radio.
Icangelp said:
It appears from these posts that WOWO still gets out some into the southeast, but not so much the northeast anymore.
radioman148 said:
Although now only 9800 watts nighttime now, WOWO's main lobes are North and SSE (right at Florida!), so it's not surprising they can sometimes be heard there. Neither Dallas or New York put much signal that way. WOWO does have a shallow null (effective power about 3 kw) toward New York's WLIB, so they are considerably weaker to the East than before the downgrade. I think they used to have a night pattern with a broad lobe to the N - NE - E- and SE, much like WKBW or WMVP. WOWO certainly used to blast into the New York and New England area after WLIB signed off for the night. The other night I tuned to 1190 here in Poughkeepsie, NY, and found WLIB dominant, but messed up enough by WOWO that it was hard to listen to. As has been said, I suspect that WLIB ruins WOWO throughout the Northeast.... but once you go South far enough to get away from WLIB and also out of WOWO's null, WOWO is probably still quite receivable.
I believe what Scott was hinting at, was that with WOWO's downgrade to a Class B from Class A, it's skywave signal is no longer required to be protected, just the local ground wave coveage around Ft. Wayne. So far, no stations have increased interference to the former nighttime WOWO coverage area (except WLIB of course), but you could likely see daytimers like WBIS-1190 Annapolis or 1190-Orlando get full time authority, or Dallas get power boosts to 50kw full time, with more signal going into WOWO's skywave territory.
dx1ng said:
I remember WOWO having a great signal into the northeast years ago. I am surprised that the other stations on 1190 haven't yet applied for greater coverage.
Upgrading an AM station can be very costly. I know of an educational FM that won't be adding horizontal power to it's vertical power once channel 6 goes away. And that cost is a drop in the bucket compared to most AM upgrades, which can easily run into 6 figures.radioman148 said:
radioman148 said:
Yes, I can personally attest to the fact that WOWO boomed in to New England and the mid Atlantic states at night before the "readjustments" were made. With respect to how WOWO does in New England now, I have actually checked out that frequency more than once from different sections of New England at various times. From Concord, NH, Nashua, NH, mid-coast ME, central MA and central CT - WLIB is definitely dominant. In fact, I have yet to hear WOWO under WLIB from that area; though I suppose it's theoretically possible. Despite the lobe of decreased power directed toward PEI, WLIB's new signal still dominates the frequency in New England.
Around Philadelphia, you still seem to get WLIB better at night. However, with WPHT's IBOC jammer on, it's tough to hear a lot on 1190 around there anymore.
BobOnTheJob said:
I'm sure you're right. With the economy the way it is now is not the time to worry about an upgrade.
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