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DirecTV in South Jersey

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MikeD

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I live in Burlington County, and am looking at DirecTV. I know they don't carry CSN-Philly, and couldn't care less. However, they do claim to broadcast YES, FSN-NY, and MSG. Can anyone confirm this? If so, it would be perfect for me since I am a NY Sports fan. Anyone know why they don't have Sportsnet NY in South Jersey?
 
They can only carry the designated regional sports channel for that specific market. In South Jersey, that's CSN Philadelphia. However, Comcast has seen fit to use a legal technicality to withhold CSN Philly from DirecTV and Dish (but not from other cable companies and not from Verizon FIOS). So satellite TV subscribers in the TV markets CSN Philly covers get no regional sports channel. DirecTV and Dish made a token effort at first to fight this but they seem to be doing little now. Maybe because Philly area subscribers pay the same price as everybody else but DirecTV and Dish save the per-subscriber fee sports channels charge. Given Comcast's lousy picture and worse customer service, the satellite providers are still signing up customers around here - and making a bigger profit on each one.

You can get out of market sports channels (including the New York channels you mentioned) as part of the sports channel package (about $10.00 more per month). And you can get out of market games as part of the Season Pass packages (although Philadelphia teams are usually blacked out for subscribers in the region).
 
Here's the text of what the DirecTV site tells me...

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageIF.jsp?assetId=P3000004



The 08060 ZIP Code is in the home team territory for the following pro team(s):

SD: Standard Definition
HD: High Definition

With any TOTAL CHOICE® package:

Madison Square Garden (Ch. 621)
New Jersey Devils (SD Only)

New York Islanders (SD Only)

New York Knicks (SD Only)

New York Knicks (SD Only)

New York Liberty (SD Only)

New York Rangers (SD Only)

New York Red Bulls (SD Only)

New York Red Bulls (SD Only)


Yankee Ent. & Sports (YES) (Ch. 622)
New Jersey Nets (SD Only)


FSN New York (Ch. 624)
New Jersey Devils (SD Only)

New York Islanders (SD Only)

New York Knicks (SD Only)

New York Knicks (SD Only)

New York Rangers (SD Only)

New York Red Bulls (SD Only)

New York Red Bulls (SD Only)



With any TOTAL CHOICE® Premier package or any TOTAL CHOICE® package plus SPORTS Pack, you also get:
Madison Square Garden (Ch. 621)
New Jersey Devils (SD Only)

New York Islanders (SD Only)

New York Knicks (SD Only)

New York Knicks (SD Only)

New York Liberty (SD Only)

New York Rangers (SD Only)

New York Red Bulls (SD Only)

New York Red Bulls (SD Only)


Yankee Ent. & Sports (YES) (Ch. 622)
New Jersey Nets (SD Only)


FSN New York (Ch. 624)
New Jersey Devils (SD Only)

New York Islanders (SD Only)

New York Knicks (SD Only)

New York Knicks (SD Only)

New York Rangers (SD Only)

New York Red Bulls (SD Only)

New York Red Bulls (SD Only)





Teams and ZIP Codes are subject to change. Blackout restrictions apply to regional sports networks. To view games of other pro teams (out-of-market) requires the purchase of professional sports packages sold separately.
 
Something's wrong here.

The zip code you listed is Mount Holly, Burlington County, NJ and it's well within the Philadelphia TV (and radio) market.

The New York market includes: Bergen, Essex, Hudson, Hunterdon, Middlesex, Monmouth, Ocean, Morris, Ocean, Passaic, Somerset, Sussex, Union and Warren counties.
 
fredflintstone said:
Something's wrong here.

The zip code you listed is Mount Holly, Burlington County, NJ and it's well within the Philadelphia TV (and radio) market.

The New York market includes: Bergen, Essex, Hudson, Hunterdon, Middlesex, Monmouth, Ocean, Morris, Ocean, Passaic, Somerset, Sussex, Union and Warren counties.
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What you are saying is correct, that Southern NJ is within Philadelphia DMA boundaries.

However, DirecTV DOES offer the NY/NJ sports (minus the baseball) to South Jersey customers without the NBA League Pass or NHL Center Ice purchased. The NY/NJ NHL and NBA teams claim zip codes in the Southern NJ as well.

I used to have DirecTV and could see Knicks games. However back then, one needed to get the Sports Pack which was $10 extra. When I first signed with DirecTV, they gave me all the premiums and the sports package as a 3 month promotion.

But, I knew about this unusual NY sports in Southern NJ, when I visited an electronics store in Kings Highway, Maple Shade (right before the ACME and BJ's warehouse area), about 8 years ago, and saw a Knicks game in clear televised on MSG. I don't think that store is still around.

About 5 years ago, I used to have Dish Network. With Dish Network, they gave MSG and FSNY with their TOP 100 package (now that's equivalent to A TOP 200), but the actual live sports programming (like Knicks games) was all blacked out. So, I'd just get the FSN filler stuff.

DirecTV charged $10 for one in South Jersey to see MSG and FSNY's filler programming, but one would get NY NHL and NBA. Now, their website is indicating with TOTAL CHOICE (and apparently without SPORTS pack).
 
Mike D said:
Anyone know why they don't have Sportsnet NY in South Jersey?
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The NY baseball teams don't claim Southern NJ.

One thing to note is that the Baltimore/Wash Nationals claim Wilmington and Delaware, even on cable, meaning the Phillies aren't the exclusive home baseball team in Delaware.

I would bet that the 30 additional miles in distance factor makes the difference. Wilmington and probably most of DE is 65 miles from Baltimore-- but most of Southern NJ is 80-90 miles from NY, so the Phillies can keep exclusivity of Southern NJ, but not Delaware.

Yet, Wilmington gets NO Baltimore OTA stations on cable. A lot of town cable systems that are within 60 miles from a major city, even if its not in the same DMA, carry the out of market stations. Like New Haven cable systems carrying NYC channels, and having a NY influence.

So aside from the distance proximity, I wonder how much the Delaware: the Baltimore media/market relationship really exists given that they don't really have anything else linking the two aside from the RSNs on cable.
 
Another thing to keep an eye out for is FIOS's lineup in Southern NJ vs. Delaware vs. Philadelphia. The lineup also reflects the regional sports net differences.
 
Regional sports networks and the teams associated with them do not necessarily follow market boundaries - they're based on the territory that the teams of a given city claim to be their "home" territory. It can be a pretty large area.

I'll provide the example of Connecticut. Most of CT is in a "gray" area between NY and Boston (except Fairfield County - where NY teams have exclusive rights). So, cable systems and satellite providers can offer NESN, YES and MSG. Mind you, this is in an area where some systems do not offer NY or Boston OTA channels (just Hartford). The Red Sox claim most CT counties as "home" territory where blackout rights apply, as do the Yankees/Mets.

I believe that YES/MSG are offered as the regional sports channels in much of upstate NY too. Places that are more than 150-200 miles from NYC - much farther than the NJ counties that you're talking about.

It all has to do with what territory can be claimed by the teams - and there can be some overlap (unlike market boundaries). In the case of southern NJ, the NY teams' carriage rights probably overlap the Philadelphia ones - so theoretically you'd be entitled to both. Or you would - if not for the [crooked] CSN exception.

At least you can get some regional sports channels - think how it is on the PA side of the river. With a Dish, you'd either have to buy the whole package (and get no Philly action) or skip the national package and get nothing.

Luckily (for me) I like the Red Sox, so I could watch them on NESN if and when I get a Dish. Phillies fans don't have that option when they're not on broadcast TV.
 
Well, I got DirecTV installed over the weekend, and its a strange combo of what's available.

FSNY/MSG - All programming including live games (Knicks/Hockey).

YES - Nets games only. Blacked out all other times (where's my Yankeeographies?)

SNY - All Baseball games (Classic, Current & Replays) blacked out. Everything else available.
 
BRNout said:
Regional sports networks and the teams associated with them do not necessarily follow market boundaries - they're based on the territory that the teams of a given city claim to be their "home" territory. It can be a pretty large area.

I'll provide the example of Connecticut. Most of CT is in a "gray" area between NY and Boston (except Fairfield County - where NY teams have exclusive rights). So, cable systems and satellite providers can offer NESN, YES and MSG. Mind you, this is in an area where some systems do not offer NY or Boston OTA channels (just Hartford). The Red Sox claim most CT counties as "home" territory where blackout rights apply, as do the Yankees/Mets.

I believe that YES/MSG are offered as the regional sports channels in much of upstate NY too. Places that are more than 150-200 miles from NYC - much farther than the NJ counties that you're talking about.

It all has to do with what territory can be claimed by the teams - and there can be some overlap (unlike market boundaries). In the case of southern NJ, the NY teams' carriage rights probably overlap the Philadelphia ones - so theoretically you'd be entitled to both. Or you would - if not for the [crooked] CSN exception.

At least you can get some regional sports channels - think how it is on the PA side of the river. With a Dish, you'd either have to buy the whole package (and get no Philly action) or skip the national package and get nothing.

Luckily (for me) I like the Red Sox, so I could watch them on NESN if and when I get a Dish. Phillies fans don't have that option when they're not on broadcast TV.
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From what I know, Dish Network's contract with MSG and FSNY, and certain other RSNs, isn't as extensive (as DirecTV's) to cover some of the outlying secondary areas very well; thus, Knicks are blacked out on Dish in Southern NJ.

A small part of the NY DMA (Ocean County) is considered part of Phillies territory, and shared with NY Yankees and Mets.

Although people in Burlington County and south of that, get the NY NBA/NHL teams, which is like a bonus, customers in Trenton and Mercer County don't get the NY baseball on DirecTV, while on cable they get everything, atleast Comcast and Cablevision customers. Patriot Media in Princeton doesn't carry CSN-Philly, even though they are entitled to strike a carriage deal.

According to DirecTV's site, some of the outlying areas in the Allentown, PA area will get Pittsburgh Penguins games with the SportsPack.

Easton, PA 18040 zip code pulls up

Madison Square Garden (Ch. 621)
New York Red Bulls (SD Only)

With any TOTAL CHOICE® Premier package or any TOTAL CHOICE® package plus SPORTS Pack, you also get:
Madison Square Garden (Ch. 621)
New York Red Bulls (SD Only)

FSN Pittsburgh (Ch. 628)
Pittsburgh Penguins (SD Only)

Most of Southeast PA that's within the Philadephia DMA will be considered as exclusive for the Phillies/Flyers/Sixers, while Delaware will get some baseball from Balt.DC and Southern NJ can get NBA/NHL from NY. Besides the CSN-Philly unavailability, Philadelphia is unique in that it has its own teams but out-of-market teams claim some (a significant amount) but not all parts of the market.
 
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