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> And you thought payola didn't exist:
> http://www.lisawood.blogspot.com
>
I liked the Payola era and have enthusiastically stated so on this board. When music people, interested in promoting music people, and there art, can freely access this ultra-capitalist society we live in, I say go for it. Don Henly, of all people, should know that.
I'm not GOP. Pay-for-Play goes on in every form of media, except it's a dirty concept in Rap and Rock. Then again we got another Bush from Texas pushing the agenda so we have to follow the rules now huh!
I'll say it again. The payola days were fueled by.. money, capitalism and.. most importantly people who beleived in music! Don't beleive me! Compare the artists from today to 20-30-40 years ago..Henley is just trying to protect his right to charge you 200 bucks a ticket..
Todays payola is regulated by Viacom, Clear Channel and the FCC. Go ahead call me a radical...
> http://www.lisawood.blogspot.com
>
I liked the Payola era and have enthusiastically stated so on this board. When music people, interested in promoting music people, and there art, can freely access this ultra-capitalist society we live in, I say go for it. Don Henly, of all people, should know that.
I'm not GOP. Pay-for-Play goes on in every form of media, except it's a dirty concept in Rap and Rock. Then again we got another Bush from Texas pushing the agenda so we have to follow the rules now huh!
I'll say it again. The payola days were fueled by.. money, capitalism and.. most importantly people who beleived in music! Don't beleive me! Compare the artists from today to 20-30-40 years ago..Henley is just trying to protect his right to charge you 200 bucks a ticket..
Todays payola is regulated by Viacom, Clear Channel and the FCC. Go ahead call me a radical...
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> And you thought payola didn't exist:
Where was that said?
Where was that said?
Do record companies pay for play in the form of commercial time? Sure they do...and what's wrong with that?
Hear the live feed on Howard Stern on KISW and you'll hear a feature called "CD Preview" which plays a new artist's song in its entirety. At the end the announcer expressly says, "This has been brought to you by (name of record company)."
It's essentially a 3-4 minute commercial. I'm sure it is logged as such and paid for accordingly out of the record company's promotion budget.
I was the PD/MD at an R&R reporting station and worked with several independent promotion companies. Did they practice payola? You decide. Here's how it worked:
The independent promotion rep would call me and tell me which songs he was "working". Each song would have a promotional budget attached to it...for our size market it was usually $200 a song.
If I reported the song that week as an "add" (it had to be the week they were "going for adds" though) they would put that amount of money into our promotional budget. This was NOT a direct cash payment to the station.
When we were ready to redeem the promotional budget we'd "banked" we needed to submit an invoice for a third party vendor for a promotional item. We bought things like T-shirts, airfare for trip giveaways, equipment for the station, etc. The promotion company would cut a check either directly to the vendor or to the station to reimburse the expense.
Could a station feasibly fake a vendor invoice? Sure. But checks were never made payable to individuals (jocks)...ONLY to the radio station.
This is not a secret or hidden practice.
OK, is that payola? Or just a promotional expense?
Hear the live feed on Howard Stern on KISW and you'll hear a feature called "CD Preview" which plays a new artist's song in its entirety. At the end the announcer expressly says, "This has been brought to you by (name of record company)."
It's essentially a 3-4 minute commercial. I'm sure it is logged as such and paid for accordingly out of the record company's promotion budget.
I was the PD/MD at an R&R reporting station and worked with several independent promotion companies. Did they practice payola? You decide. Here's how it worked:
The independent promotion rep would call me and tell me which songs he was "working". Each song would have a promotional budget attached to it...for our size market it was usually $200 a song.
If I reported the song that week as an "add" (it had to be the week they were "going for adds" though) they would put that amount of money into our promotional budget. This was NOT a direct cash payment to the station.
When we were ready to redeem the promotional budget we'd "banked" we needed to submit an invoice for a third party vendor for a promotional item. We bought things like T-shirts, airfare for trip giveaways, equipment for the station, etc. The promotion company would cut a check either directly to the vendor or to the station to reimburse the expense.
Could a station feasibly fake a vendor invoice? Sure. But checks were never made payable to individuals (jocks)...ONLY to the radio station.
This is not a secret or hidden practice.
OK, is that payola? Or just a promotional expense?
> The independent promotion rep would call me and tell me
> which songs he was "working". Each song would have a
> promotional budget attached to it...for our size market it
> was usually $200 a song.
>
> If I reported the song that week as an "add" (it had to be
> the week they were "going for adds" though) they would put
> that amount of money into our promotional budget. This was
> NOT a direct cash payment to the station.
>
> When we were ready to redeem the promotional budget we'd
> "banked" we needed to submit an invoice for a third party
> vendor for a promotional item. We bought things like
> T-shirts, airfare for trip giveaways, equipment for the
> station, etc. The promotion company would cut a check either
> directly to the vendor or to the station to reimburse the
> expense.
>
> OK, is that payola? Or just a promotional expense?
That's how it worked for the longest time. You did nothing wrong, because if you did, we're all guilty.
Underground asks the question at the top of this thread that draws more than a chuckle from me. "And you thought Payola didn't exist..." No, underground, we all know Payola exists. Fortunately most of us are above it. I find it most amusing that you'd choose Lisa's blog to herald the announcement of Payola in the 21st Century.
> which songs he was "working". Each song would have a
> promotional budget attached to it...for our size market it
> was usually $200 a song.
>
> If I reported the song that week as an "add" (it had to be
> the week they were "going for adds" though) they would put
> that amount of money into our promotional budget. This was
> NOT a direct cash payment to the station.
>
> When we were ready to redeem the promotional budget we'd
> "banked" we needed to submit an invoice for a third party
> vendor for a promotional item. We bought things like
> T-shirts, airfare for trip giveaways, equipment for the
> station, etc. The promotion company would cut a check either
> directly to the vendor or to the station to reimburse the
> expense.
>
> OK, is that payola? Or just a promotional expense?
That's how it worked for the longest time. You did nothing wrong, because if you did, we're all guilty.
Underground asks the question at the top of this thread that draws more than a chuckle from me. "And you thought Payola didn't exist..." No, underground, we all know Payola exists. Fortunately most of us are above it. I find it most amusing that you'd choose Lisa's blog to herald the announcement of Payola in the 21st Century.
> Do record companies pay for play in the form of commercial>
> OK, is that payola? Or just a promotional expense?
Car dealerships, furniture hacks and loan sharks pay for air. On any given Saturday you can find a whole slew of cable channels and talk radio selling half hour, or full hour, slots of time to serious scumbags and yet the record industry shells out 10 million just to keep Elliott Spitzer,the future Governor of New York, off there back. What gives!
And that promotional budget that the indies supposedly greased was nothing more than adding to the coffers so that a pair of listeners could win a trip to Disney World or something.
The recording industry makes there money on huge stars. Most of these acts have legs, like your Springsteens, Mariah Carey, Sting, Usher, U-2 etc. and by and large, with obvious exceptions, they spend promotional dollars on acts they beleive will sell records for 10-30 years. It's a crapshoot and most fail while others, like Eminem, are like hitting the lottery. Right now in Rock there's a push to promote The Killers, Franz Ferdinand and..Coldplay. All of these acts are A.) Pretty Good and B.) May sell records for years. Why wouldn't you want to spend money to promote them? Could SONY get a half-hour on the big Rock station without inviting the wrath of the local DA/AG?
Everyone can shove there dollars all over the media except Rock/Rap artists. When GOP stooges show up on FOX they're being paid. When movie stars show up on Leno they're being paid. When 50 Cent shows up at the local R and B outlet he's being WATCHED! Just part corporate media America.
> OK, is that payola? Or just a promotional expense?
Car dealerships, furniture hacks and loan sharks pay for air. On any given Saturday you can find a whole slew of cable channels and talk radio selling half hour, or full hour, slots of time to serious scumbags and yet the record industry shells out 10 million just to keep Elliott Spitzer,the future Governor of New York, off there back. What gives!
And that promotional budget that the indies supposedly greased was nothing more than adding to the coffers so that a pair of listeners could win a trip to Disney World or something.
The recording industry makes there money on huge stars. Most of these acts have legs, like your Springsteens, Mariah Carey, Sting, Usher, U-2 etc. and by and large, with obvious exceptions, they spend promotional dollars on acts they beleive will sell records for 10-30 years. It's a crapshoot and most fail while others, like Eminem, are like hitting the lottery. Right now in Rock there's a push to promote The Killers, Franz Ferdinand and..Coldplay. All of these acts are A.) Pretty Good and B.) May sell records for years. Why wouldn't you want to spend money to promote them? Could SONY get a half-hour on the big Rock station without inviting the wrath of the local DA/AG?
Everyone can shove there dollars all over the media except Rock/Rap artists. When GOP stooges show up on FOX they're being paid. When movie stars show up on Leno they're being paid. When 50 Cent shows up at the local R and B outlet he's being WATCHED! Just part corporate media America.
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> Underground asks the question at the top of this thread that
> draws more than a chuckle from me. "And you thought Payola
> didn't exist..." No, underground, we all know Payola
> exists. Fortunately most of us are above it. I find it
> most amusing that you'd choose Lisa's blog to herald the
> announcement of Payola in the 21st Century.
>
Yes, I read her blog and actually found the news before I saw that link, but hers was the most thorough overview of the Sony situation. Posters like robojock have said many times that it doesn't exist. Here and on her blog. Hence my title. I find it amusing how many people defend the actions of payola, it's crazy!
> draws more than a chuckle from me. "And you thought Payola
> didn't exist..." No, underground, we all know Payola
> exists. Fortunately most of us are above it. I find it
> most amusing that you'd choose Lisa's blog to herald the
> announcement of Payola in the 21st Century.
>
Yes, I read her blog and actually found the news before I saw that link, but hers was the most thorough overview of the Sony situation. Posters like robojock have said many times that it doesn't exist. Here and on her blog. Hence my title. I find it amusing how many people defend the actions of payola, it's crazy!
Lisa has a great home, and venue, at KEXP. I listen and I'm a former PD at my college station. I like her blog as well. But the record industry, in todays environment, is getting killed.
Don Henley is the wrong spokesman. This is a guy who got his career rolling being managed by some of the best arm-twisters in biz history. His band put out an accapella lame ass video, told radio you can't get the perks unless you play this tune and then went out and did what the Eagles always do, charge exhorbitant prices for there latest reunion tour.
Henley has issues, like underage groupies. I'd rather have the late, great Frank Zappa arguing on Capitol Hill as compared to a guy whose former rep, Irving Azoff, was often ridiculed as "The Poison Dwarf".
Some great tunes those guys put out but Henley turns my stomach.
Don Henley is the wrong spokesman. This is a guy who got his career rolling being managed by some of the best arm-twisters in biz history. His band put out an accapella lame ass video, told radio you can't get the perks unless you play this tune and then went out and did what the Eagles always do, charge exhorbitant prices for there latest reunion tour.
Henley has issues, like underage groupies. I'd rather have the late, great Frank Zappa arguing on Capitol Hill as compared to a guy whose former rep, Irving Azoff, was often ridiculed as "The Poison Dwarf".
Some great tunes those guys put out but Henley turns my stomach.
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