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DISGRACE FROM MSNBC'S CHRIS HAYES and should be fired immediately!

I rarely watch MSNBC's programming and I have nothing against Chris Hayes, but I don't understand why he should be fired for doing his job in the role of commentator. I cannot interpret his comment about the word "hero" based on the clip uploaded; it should have been a longer clip.
 
Mario-500 said:
I rarely watch MSNBC's programming and I have nothing against Chris Hayes, but I don't understand why he should be fired for doing his job in the role of commentator. I cannot interpret his comment about the word "hero" based on the clip uploaded; it should have been a longer clip.
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...see the whole thing, without the misleading Newsbusters bullspit, at http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/origins-memorial-day and http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46979738/ns/msnbc_tv-up_with_chris_hayes/#47581631 Like Joe Goebbels, Newsbusters has an allergy to proper context...
 
kenwood101 said:
He has a problem with calling fallen soldiers hereo's....watch him say it for your self.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-f...-calling-fallen-military-heroes#ixzz1w6mBDLvo
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I am a Vietnam vet (2 years in theater) but I don't call a deceased fellow soldier a hero either - unless he was one. There is nothing "heroic" about being killed in the line of duty unless that person puts his or her life on the line for another person or performs some other act of unusual courage as generally accepted by the military.

That said, I am not familiar with Chris Hayes. If he is using something close to my reasoning I would have no fault with him. If he is attempting to be derogatory towards the military then I have a big problem with him. But.....

My understanding is that he is a commentator and commentator's tend to say outlandish things to garner ratings. In the end why does what he says matter? If you don't like his speech simply hit the off button or write a letter to MSNBC expressing your opinion.
 
Why would anyone who reads Newsbusters care who is or isn't employed by MSNBC? The two organizations appeal to two very different demographics. If you don't like what Chris Hayes has to say, continue not watching MSNBC.
 
landtuna said:
I am a Vietnam vet (2 years in theater) but I don't call a deceased fellow soldier a hero either - unless he was one. There is nothing "heroic" about being killed in the line of duty unless that person puts his or her life on the line for another person or performs some other act of unusual courage as generally accepted by the military.
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As a non military person who's brother was killed in Vietnam, I would say, at least to me, your definition fits the military in general.

Any solider at the front is putting his life on the line for ME. People like you and my brother fought so I didn't have to.

While I accept your opinion as 100% valid, I think it just depends. I can see your point, but just being in battle means you're putting your life on the line for the rest of us.
 
If ever there was a show that was ill-served by excerpting a short sound bite, it's "Up with Chris Hayes." The broadcast is about as far as it gets from the usual cable news shout-fest - it's Chris and a panel of four guests talking for two solid hours. The topics are serious - no "tanning-bed mom" fluff here - and it's not uncommon for a single topic to keep going for up to an hour of the show. There are certainly some voices on the show who are to the left even of the typical MSNBC guest - but Hayes makes sure there are opposing voices on the panel as well, and everyone tends to get a respectful hearing.

If all you know about the broadcast is this clip, you owe it to yourself to tune in some Saturday or Sunday morning (8-10 AM ET) and watch the show at greater length. It's not everyone's cup of tea, to be sure, but it's a much more nuanced, thoughtful show than you'd gather from just an excerpt.
 
Usually, military, police, firefighters or emergency-responese workers are uncomfortable with being called 'heroes', and will say it's 'just part of the job'. I imagine the 'fallen heroes' would feel the same way.

We can thank and respect them (and veterans) while reserving the word 'hero' for instances of actual heroism. The soldier who threw himself on a grenade and lost a limb protecting his buddies is more deserving than, say, the guy who delivered donuts to the PX. Thank the former for heroism, and the latter for service.
 
Yes, let's fire Chris Hayes so MSNBC can air even more "Lockup" reruns! ::)
 
onairb said:
Usually, military, police, firefighters or emergency-responese workers are uncomfortable with being called 'heroes', and will say it's 'just part of the job'. I imagine the 'fallen heroes' would feel the same way.

We can thank and respect them (and veterans) while reserving the word 'hero' for instances of actual heroism. The soldier who threw himself on a grenade and lost a limb protecting his buddies is more deserving than, say, the guy who delivered donuts to the PX. Thank the former for heroism, and the latter for service.
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I agree with the point of the second paragraph. Many broadcast news presenters and reporters use the word "hero" in describing past and present military servicemen in general no matter their acts. They should reserve use of that word to persons quoted for news stories because their frequent use of it does not help others learn how to use it properly.
 
onairb said:
Usually, military, police, firefighters or emergency-responese workers are uncomfortable with being called 'heroes', and will say it's 'just part of the job'. I imagine the 'fallen heroes' would feel the same way.

We can thank and respect them (and veterans) while reserving the word 'hero' for instances of actual heroism. The soldier who threw himself on a grenade and lost a limb protecting his buddies is more deserving than, say, the guy who delivered donuts to the PX. Thank the former for heroism, and the latter for service/
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+1 I agree. Generally, we tend to confuse excellent "service" vs. a true "hero". For example, a firefighter who is putting out a "normal" house fire is doing a terrific public "service" that I greatly appreciate. A firefighter who risks his/her life by going into a collapsing house to save a trapped child -- and greatly put his/her life in jeopardy -- deserves the "hero" status.
 
Sometimes, it's best to admit your mistake, take your medicine and move on. Such is the case here.

Chris' apology: up.msnbc.com. (you don't need a longer link).
 
as much as i DISLIKE MSNBC, i have to agree NOT Everyone is a HERO who dies in battle, LIKEWISE not every kid who plays on the school Soccer team deserves an MVP Medal, "Just For Playing"... i admire ANYONE who has served our country, and if they have fallen in battle, thats why we have Memorial Day to honor their service and sacrifice, but if EVERYONE is called a HERO, NO-ONE will stand out for being HEROIC. Thank God for all who serve and for those who performed Heroic acts.
 
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