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Disney Radio???

I was on Rt 104 in Webster (just east of Rochester) the other day day and saw a street van with Radio Disney logos all over it. It said AM 1460.
Any idea where it was from?
Speaking of Radio Disney I wonder how they make $$. If AM is dead as far as music goes, who listens to it? From what I can tell there are very few FM Radio Disney stations. Also, how do they work? Do they sublet the stations they are on? I can't imagine that WOLF in Syracuse has any kind of a sales force. If they do sublet stations, I am surprised that Entercom hasn't made a deal with them for WROC & WWKB.
 
From the little bit I know, Disney owns most of the "Radio Disney" stations but does lease time on a few.

As to who listens to them I have never seen our local Radio Disney station WGFY <Goofy show up in the ratings, not even listed. Then again it's a horrible signal with muddy audio.

I knew someone who listened to the station. The FM was broken on her car radio and it was the only music station she could pick up.
 
The "1460" van in question belongs to WDDY in Albany. For reasons nobody (including the WDDY promotions crew) is quite clear on, they've been getting dispatched by Radio Disney HQ to do remotes in Rochester, 200 miles away and served by a completely different (VERY completely different!) 1460 station.

There's a picture in this week's NERW of the WDDY crew at the Seneca Park Zoo on Saturday.

Bizarre, indeed.
 
Bizarre, indeed.
I'll say. That's as bizarre as Ward LaFrance traveling all the way to do a remote in Cheektowaga :)
 
Reminds me of the earlier incarnation of what is now (last I checked) the Disney outlet in Pittsburgh, which was back then WARO, a daytimer on 540 in suburban Canonsburg. In the summer months they were "bedeviled" (so to speak) by the nearby Dependable Drive-In, a drive-in movie which featured porn flicks and which had an RF sound system which was operated approximately on 540 kHz. The Dependable's transmitter got out surprisingly well and interfered with WARO which at the time featured Christian programming, and the consternation of nearby 540 listeners was a frequent topic of op-ed media pieces at the time.
 
Disney has plenty of listeners even on AM. The problem is that it's the parents that fill out the diaries and they remember the times "they as parents" listened to what they wanted to hear.

The real problem and has always been is that the entire rating system is a farce.

The PP meter isn't going to help things. The stations that will do best are the stations you hear when you are at the doctor's office, local stores, etc... It isn't that you chose to listen but it's going to record the information as if that was your choice of stations.

I will tell you what is going to happen when PPM becomes the norm across the US : AC and generally mellow, Oldie stations are going to lead the ratings wars. Case closed.
 
A couple things occur to me...

1)Radio Disney streams on the Web nationally and may want to establish a statewide presence (beyond the contour of WQEW in New York) that they hope the kids with computers and smart phones will want to tune in and hear.

2)Maybe WHIC, the Catholic radio network affiliate on 1460 in Rochester (which used to be top-40 WAXC back in the day) is on the block. It wouldn't be the first religious station in town to change back to a secular format--such a flip is how Rochester got its current classic hits/oldies station, WLGZ, which Crawford started as a religious station and flipped quite successfully to oldies later. The Mouse wants a presence in every metro of a million or more, and Rochester and Buffalo are two of the few where they haven't yet made an appearance.
 
The Mouse was considered when Sinclair owned WBEN-WGR-WWKB-WWWS. Two proposals to the AMs were offered to corporate: Move the Solid Gold Soul format (an ABC network feed at the time) from 1400 to 1520; Leave the Solid Gold Format on 1400 and take 1520 Disney. The second proposal floated around the company pipeline, but never received final approval. The reason, most likely, is the Radio Disney affiliation agreement offers no lattitude for breaking format. It's All Disney-All the time or nothing at all. KB was the designated "stand-by" for WGR programming that had to be shifted when scheduling conflicts occured.
 
Jim--Was there ever any thought given by Sinclair to making 550 the Disney signal, leaving 1400 alone and moving WGR's sports talk and PBP programming, along with the WGR callsign, up to 1520 and that 50,000 watt East Coast blowtorch? We kept hearing rumors to that effect about 10-12 years back, before Entercom came into the picture, about WGR's lineup, intellectual property and callsign heading up the dial to 1520 to take advantage of the much better nighttime and early morning coverage. Was it all just speculation or was there ever anything to it?
 
Bob1370 said:
Jim--Was there ever any thought given by Sinclair to making 550 the Disney signal, leaving 1400 alone and moving WGR's sports talk and PBP programming, along with the WGR callsign, up to 1520 and that 50,000 watt East Coast blowtorch? We kept hearing rumors to that effect about 10-12 years back, before Entercom came into the picture, about WGR's lineup, intellectual property and callsign heading up the dial to 1520 to take advantage of the much better nighttime and early morning coverage. Was it all just speculation or was there ever anything to it?

As it's ancient history, I guess posting on a message board doesn't violate any proprietary covenants.

During Daryl Parks' (outstanding PD who's been at WLW since leaving Buffalo) last month as PD of WGR (February 1995), Keymarket was preparing to LMA WGR and WWWS and ultimately buy the radio stations.

During this period, there was some down-low talk of the WGR call letters and intellectual property moving to 1520. Being Production Director of WGR/WGRF/The Rock Network at the time, i was not in the loop. Brian Dickman was the outstanding Promotions Director of WGR at the time and had about a dozen T-Shirts printed with a logo that said "WGR Intellectual Property of 1520" blue stencil stamped logo on gray cotton. As I recall, the shirts were not distributed and within days were recalled by order of senior management on Niagara Street, "Inside Baseball" for Rich Products. The shirts reportedly were destroyed, although there may be others like me who "never got one" and so, never gave it back. Definitely a radio geek's collector's item.

After becoming PD/OM of WGR (March '95, as I said, "ancient history"), Keymarket flipped 1400 WWWS from Business News to ABC's Solid Gold Soul. I thought this was a better format for 1520 and made the case. Considered. Rejected by Keymarket because it could have adversely impacted 102.5.

Talk of WGR on 1520 took a different turn with the intellectual property of WGR moving to 1520 and the massive day/night 550 signal going Asian/Korean to serve the growing community in Toronto. Questions rose as to where the programming would originate, how would it be overseen and produced. To the best of my knowledge, nobody on the WGR staff was proficient in Korean or Mandarin. The Asian/Korean speculation lasted about two weeks before it was cast aside (to my relief) and life returned to abnormal.

770 WTOR Youngstown probably makes a good buck shooting Asian programing across Lake Ontario on its high power DA-1 signal.
 
I know Disney made offers to lease 990 AM in Rochester a few years back; Crawford didn't like the terms for one reason or another.

I've listened to WQEW with my kids after dark on occasion; they enjoy the format, and I don't mind it, either. We also usually listen when we head through NYC area. If there was a signal in Rochester, even on AM, my house would be tuned in.
 
WYSL likewise had Mouse Talks, but ours were back in 1997, when we first moved to 1040 and began 24-hour operation. They made a lowball offer to buy the station, then offered a lease deal. Suffice it to say we opted to program and operate the station ourselves, which has proved far more lucrative.

If our experience with The Mickey Mouse Outfit is typical, Disney AM station leaseouts are low-bucks deals, and you'd have to be starving and/or desperate to do that format.
 
"If our experience with The Mickey Mouse Outfit is typical, Disney AM station leaseouts are low-bucks deals, and you'd have to be starving and/or desperate to do that format"

Given how poorly they're doing today, you have to figure that one of the two sports stations in Rochester that are slicing each other to ribbons splitting a 1.6 share between them, is going to have to say uncle and say yes to the Mouse as an alternative to going dark. Face it, sports radio in Rochester, a market without either major league pro teams or bigtime Division I college athletics, is never going to draw more than a 2 share as a format--until/unless one of the colleges goes Division I in all major sports with a monster $$$ commitment, even bigger than SUNY Buffalo has made so far in its Division I program, and makes one of those radio stations a prime outlet and flagship. We know that isn't likely to happen anytime soon. So anyone want to lay odds on whether 950 or 1280 will be the one to give up, and leave the other one to soldier on with sports?

That means either 950 or 1280 (stations which are peripheral properties within their respective clusters) could be offered for sale to the Mouse. Rochester has to be the second-biggest radio market where Radio Disney has no affiliate, so I have to believe those stations are on the Mouse's radar. (Buffalo's got to be the biggest such market, and I'm sure the Mouse would love to get his hands on 1520...but Entercom surely wants too much cheese to make that happen...)
 
We know that isn't likely to happen anytime soon. So anyone want to lay odds on whether 950 or 1280 will be the one to give up, and leave the other one to soldier on with sports
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Mu guess is that it will be 950 AM since CC is already committed to the simulcast with 1280 AM and 107.3 FM.
 
I would think 950 would be the most likely, though I'm sure Disney has tried that before. Entercom may just be too stubborn to give in.
 
scooterodell said:
I would think 950 would be the most likely, though I'm sure Disney has tried that before. Entercom may just be too stubborn to give in.
WROC is running tight, if not on a shoestring. It doesn't need to get a 10 share to make money. WROC serves as an affiliate for WGR and a catch all for programming that Entercom can make some money on. Doyle would have to be Goofy to do a deal with Disney if the network-lease terms are as bad as Savage and other posters have noted. Doyle's not Goofy.
 
I do know, that several years ago Disney did make a pitch for 950. How far the talks went, I don't know. But obviously, not that far.
 
"CC is already committed to the simulcast with 1280 AM and 107.3 FM."

That might not rule out WHTK as an outlet for Disney, either through LMA or outright sale. It might even make the whole package more attractive for Disney to buy, and more lucrative for CC to sell, if it were sold as a unit, with 107.3 filling in the nighttime null in the expanding southeastern burbs.

Scooter's point is well taken that WROC does have a place in Entercom's overall regional strategy as essentially a partial extension of WGR. I don't know how much extra $$$ they get from selling the afternoon show and Sabres hockey as a two-station, two-market package, but there could be some regional and even national spot buys to be had. (They might do still better if they also added a simulcast of Howard Simon's WGR morning show to the WROC schedule, since many of the topics he and Jeremy White cover, especially Bills and Sabres talk, have regional appeal to both markets.)
 
Mike Sheridan said:
I knew someone who listened to the station. The FM was broken on her car radio and it was the only music station she could pick up.

That's funny :)
 
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