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DJ Bass on an Optimod 8400
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The DJ bass control allows you to control band 1 behavior under gated condition. When it is OFF and the Gate is activated, GR in band 1 will move to the amount of GR in band 2 (I'm not particularly fond of these gating schemes in digital Orbans, but that's another topic). When you set the control to some other value, you set the difference in gain reductions between band 1 and band 2 when Gate is activated. If you were to set the DJ bass control to 2, that would mean that when Gate is activated and GR in band 2 is say 6dB, the GR of band 1 would be set to 4dB. With talk this would give you low bass boost on voice, but only if it's dry voice (no music bed underneath).
With music, I find that moving the DJ bass control away from the off position gives more heaviness to the bass...
Regards,
Goran Tomas
With music, I find that moving the DJ bass control away from the off position gives more heaviness to the bass...
Regards,
Goran Tomas
It also depends on how you've set the bass coupling of B1 and B2. If you have it set to 100% (probably not) the you won't actually notice any difference at all. But near 0%, gating during music will reduce the rumbly bass. Your bassline will be slightly more consistant if you turn DJ bass on.
Well I haven't had a chance to check on that but I definitely will. We're running the "Rock-Medium" preset at my station right now (Hot AC), and we just came out of a month-long "all-Christmas" format. I can already tell we're going to need to find a new preset or do some serious tweaking....and we're less than 1 hour back into Hot AC music.
whit979 said:
What are you trying to achieve? Have you tried the rock-general preset. I believe it is one of the best for most formats.
Hmm...I haven't seen the Rock-General preset. We're using the latest set of Orban presets for the 8400, and there are a TON of Rock presets. Just not one called General. Unfortunately the Rock-Medium preset is just missing something. I can't quite put my finger on it, but the preset sounds a little muddy to my ear. I bet there's another Rock preset that's got what I'm looking for.
whit979 said:
Try the rock-loud preset. Vocals are very out front and it is bright. You may want to back down the multiband drive or lower the less more adjustment. Most of the Optimod presets for rock, CHR, and hot AC are very dense. You can get a louder but more open sound from an Omnia 6, but the Optimod is more consistent and deals with speech much better. My companies use both Omnia and Optimod. Try something for a day or two then change it.
We use the rock-loud preset on a CHR station. I also find that they're are quite squashed, but you can fix that by slowing down the AGC. I feel the presets 3.0s AGC release time is to fast. Slow it right down to 0.5s and it keeps more dynamic range, and opens it up quite a bit without loosing any loudness.
Cheers
Cheers
I couldn't find a Loud-Rock setting, but I'm trying Rock-Dense right now. Its name sounds pretty similar to what you guys are talking about. I wish I could slow the AGC release time down that much...unfortunately our levels are all over the place, so the only thing I know to do is keep it at a somewhat fast release time.
In reality, I'd love to find a good Hot AC station with an 8400 somewhere else and find out what they're doing. I'm a rookie when it comes to processing, but I get the feeling that a good Omnia would smoke an 8400's booty.
In reality, I'd love to find a good Hot AC station with an 8400 somewhere else and find out what they're doing. I'm a rookie when it comes to processing, but I get the feeling that a good Omnia would smoke an 8400's booty.
If you're anything like me, You always want what you haven't got. We've had an Omnia 6, 3fmt, and Omnia.fm. They sound fine, but what you have is one of the best, you should easily sound competitve. Just a matter of finding out what works.
When you mention muddy, thats exactly what I first thought when setting up ours. By slowing the AGC you start hearing nuances that we're swallowed up before, plus it handles speach and Pianos much better.
Rock-LOUD (or dense) and slow the release time of the AGC. We have a huge problem with uneven levels into Nexgen, but the preset will be driving the multi-band system enough, with MEDIUM release time, it will still recover fast enough, and their shouldn't be any holes in the program unless it falls below the gate of the AGC. Infact I belive you can adjust the AGC gate and Multi-band gate individually. Try lowering it for the AGC if you find your programming falls away often.
When you mention muddy, thats exactly what I first thought when setting up ours. By slowing the AGC you start hearing nuances that we're swallowed up before, plus it handles speach and Pianos much better.
Give it a go
When you mention muddy, thats exactly what I first thought when setting up ours. By slowing the AGC you start hearing nuances that we're swallowed up before, plus it handles speach and Pianos much better.
Rock-LOUD (or dense) and slow the release time of the AGC. We have a huge problem with uneven levels into Nexgen, but the preset will be driving the multi-band system enough, with MEDIUM release time, it will still recover fast enough, and their shouldn't be any holes in the program unless it falls below the gate of the AGC. Infact I belive you can adjust the AGC gate and Multi-band gate individually. Try lowering it for the AGC if you find your programming falls away often.
When you mention muddy, thats exactly what I first thought when setting up ours. By slowing the AGC you start hearing nuances that we're swallowed up before, plus it handles speach and Pianos much better.
Give it a go
I've spent alot of time playing with this box - hated the sound at first, but like it now.
Off the top of my head, try these suggestions and see if you like what you get:
Turn the Phase Rotator out
Start with a Gregg preset
Turn the AGC gate off
AGC DRIVE +10
AGC RELEASE 10
MULTIBAND DRIVE 19
MULTIBAND RELEASE MED
MULTIBAND GATE -30
Be careful with the mid-range eq - dont' put a lot on ..
Of course it's all dependant on your airchain/setup - but letting everything through the agc, then tightening the multiband gate plus turning phase rotator out - really cleans it up.
ClipDrive -1.0
Multiband Clip 1.0
Off the top of my head, try these suggestions and see if you like what you get:
Turn the Phase Rotator out
Start with a Gregg preset
Turn the AGC gate off
AGC DRIVE +10
AGC RELEASE 10
MULTIBAND DRIVE 19
MULTIBAND RELEASE MED
MULTIBAND GATE -30
Be careful with the mid-range eq - dont' put a lot on ..
Of course it's all dependant on your airchain/setup - but letting everything through the agc, then tightening the multiband gate plus turning phase rotator out - really cleans it up.
ClipDrive -1.0
Multiband Clip 1.0
Whit,
I use a freq of anywhere from 9khz - 11.1khz, the 11.1 seems to really stick out with the Harris DigitCD exciter... I use a fairly wide witdth of 2.8 oct.
ALSO check your HF Limiter settings... this is the secret to really open up those highs, I usually set mine to -16.75dB or so.... Be careful to make sure it is not distorting.
Good Luck
I use a freq of anywhere from 9khz - 11.1khz, the 11.1 seems to really stick out with the Harris DigitCD exciter... I use a fairly wide witdth of 2.8 oct.
ALSO check your HF Limiter settings... this is the secret to really open up those highs, I usually set mine to -16.75dB or so.... Be careful to make sure it is not distorting.
Good Luck
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