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DJ Industry Crumble.

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BJSteigner

Did anyone notice that the vinyl scene and the club scene are crumbling?

All I know is the CD and the downloads are hurting the industry because they both dont show the skills.

Mixing with vinyl cant be beat...No matter how everyone plays it.

Comments Please
 
downoading and cd is not killing the vinyl it's the fact of logging around 50 to 80 pounds of it just to do a good set. I've been playing for 27 years and I will always be true to vinyl that's why I use final scratch 2 pieces of vinyl and a laptop full of your mp3s to control.

peace
Maurizio
Dj Pharaoh





> Did anyone notice that the vinyl scene and the club scene
> are crumbling?
>
> All I know is the CD and the downloads are hurting the
> industry because they both dont show the skills.
>
> Mixing with vinyl cant be beat...No matter how everyone
> plays it.
>
> Comments Please
>
 
Vinyl is getting to expensive. You can so much more with cd players these days. Labels are starting to get rid of vinyl completely. Save the money and use it for promotion. I would agree in some cases downloading is hurting. The problem is you cant find the tracks easily anymore. Whats killing the biz is lack of promotion of the music. The dance world gets a bad rap because of drug use and raves.
 
Can you just imagine if some company like Odyssey Cases came out with vinyl cases with wheels?

I was just thinking about it. It could hold 500 12" records while going up and down the stairs with ease.

Since people have downloaded music, is there a big chance of catching a virus on the hard drive?

CDs dont make the DJ...I am sorry to say that. Only vinyl makes the DJ and the skills

Comments please.
 
> Can you just imagine if some company like Odyssey Cases came
> out with vinyl cases with wheels?
>
> I was just thinking about it. It could hold 500 12" records
> while going up and down the stairs with ease.
>
> Since people have downloaded music, is there a big chance of
> catching a virus on the hard drive?
>
> CDs dont make the DJ...I am sorry to say that. Only vinyl
> makes the DJ and the skills
>
> Comments please.
>

Let me respond to your excellent comment. It's true! Vinyl will never be replaced for those who really understand the art. However, there are products like Final Scratch, and many CD Players out there (like the ones Technics, Numark, Denon, and even Gemini) that can replicate the vinyl feel (some better than others).

I do spin other styles of music besides Dance (in Latin music, it's nearly impossible to get recordings on vinyl, but they are very available on CDs), and CDs are becoming far cheaper to manufacture these days. The problem is not the lack of interest of buying vinyl. It's becoming harder to find good Dance music these days. Try to find half decent Dance tracks, whether you spin House, Trance, Ambient, Jungle, Techno, or Freestyle (yeah, I said the "F" word, which some of the regular posters here get some sort of phobia by even mentioning it.)

It doesn't matter what do you use to spin, as long as you can be creative, pick the tracks that can get the people dancing, and beat match properly. I use both Vinyl and CDs, and if I wanted I could use Final Scratch, but I need a laptop dedicated only for MP3 storage (which is legal, as long as you paid for the track)

About downloading music (whether is from legal means or not), is always subject to viruses, trojans, etc. Why do we have things called Anti Virus programs? LOL
 
> Did anyone notice that the vinyl scene and the club scene
> are crumbling?
>
> All I know is the CD and the downloads are hurting the
> industry because they both dont show the skills.
>
> Mixing with vinyl cant be beat...No matter how everyone
> plays it.
>
> Comments Please

Small minds are hurting the industry. There are far more important issues affecting our dance music world than this.
 
I just found out where you can get vinyl reproduction at a far better price than CD.

http://www.vinyl-record-pressing.com/vinyl_info.html

As for the dance singles on CD. I dont think that any single should be on CD. Any jock that spins CDs in the clubs needs to go back to vinyl where the skills are true to the game. CD Players will never ever be fine-tuned. If you want to ask the pro-DJ about it, be my guest.

It doesnt matter what ones you have in your computer, any viruses can and will bypass your anti-virus software.
 
Dance singles dont make money, so now you want to put these labels in the whole even more. Ask the record pools what is going. What makes a dj isnt if you spin vinyl or cds. Its can you pack the floor and if you can keep the customers coming back for more. Im at the point where I hate when I get vinyl in the mail. I have to convert it to cd.
 
> CDs dont make the DJ...I am sorry to say that. Only vinyl
> makes the DJ and the skills

I know for me speaking.. i could careless if a dj is spinning vinyl, mp3, or cd... if he can pack the floor and rock the house.. i could careless what he mixes with.<P ID="signature">______________
www.1club.fm</P>
 
Crumble...or extinct

Only thing nice about vinyl - it takes me back to when I was a kid. We don't use 4 tracks, 8 tracks, cassettes or vinyl anymore for a reason...technology has advanced. Try leaving vinyl in the car for a few minutes.

We have one turntable, and it's used just to hear the vinyl that comes in each week. We request CD burns from the labels if it doesn't come in the pack.

When I see big name DJ's using CD's instead of vinyl, it tells me that the big boys get it, it's the second and tertiary DJ's that think it's still magical. Yes I know it does have a warm sound that is difficult to match on CD. But to say that you're not a real DJ if you don't spin vinyl is like saying you aren't a real driver unless you've driven a Toyota. The only difference is format, not technique. Unless you're a lazy DJ who lets the computer mix for you.

Mixing is an artform, something I cannot do. I have respect for those who have mastered the skills, but it's time to embrace new technology. Chips with an interface are coming. Evolution.

Oh, and I hate mp3's too. They should never be used as a source file for the masses, just for ipods and personal use. If you're playing music in a club or on the radio give the public the best audio - UNCOMRESSED.
 
Re: Crumble...or extinct

> Only thing nice about vinyl - it takes me back to when I was
> a kid. We don't use 4 tracks, 8 tracks, cassettes or vinyl
> anymore for a reason...technology has advanced. Try leaving
> vinyl in the car for a few minutes.
>
> We have one turntable, and it's used just to hear the vinyl
> that comes in each week. We request CD burns from the
> labels if it doesn't come in the pack.
>
> When I see big name DJ's using CD's instead of vinyl, it
> tells me that the big boys get it, it's the second and
> tertiary DJ's that think it's still magical. Yes I know it
> does have a warm sound that is difficult to match on CD.
> But to say that you're not a real DJ if you don't spin vinyl
> is like saying you aren't a real driver unless you've driven
> a Toyota. The only difference is format, not technique.
> Unless you're a lazy DJ who lets the computer mix for you.
>
>
> Mixing is an artform, something I cannot do. I have respect
> for those who have mastered the skills, but it's time to
> embrace new technology. Chips with an interface are coming.
> Evolution.
>
> Oh, and I hate mp3's too. They should never be used as a
> source file for the masses, just for ipods and personal use.
> If you're playing music in a club or on the radio give the
> public the best audio - UNCOMRESSED.
>
I agree with the BIG M, MP3 Source Files are not for Commercial-Public Performance, Not in a Club, or at some Venue. Even the Higher Quality 160 and 192 MP3 files give a Really High Pitched tinny, and often Distorted sound, when played on MEGA SOUND SYSTEMS, with Powerful High End Speakers, it brings out way too many flaws. I am not totally against using mp3s for Small Internet Radio stations though, as alot of them dont have access to Promo Copies, and have deals with record lables to get this stuff in on time, to get on the air, and keep up with competition, also it can be hard for a station like this to get the right versions of older out of print Recurrents and Gold, to stock up on its library, without the help of (Legal) Download sites, like ITUNES, and Rhapsody for example.
 
> Did anyone notice that the vinyl scene and the club scene
> are crumbling?
>
> All I know is the CD and the downloads are hurting the
> industry because they both dont show the skills.
>
> Mixing with vinyl cant be beat...No matter how everyone
> plays it.
>
> Comments Please
>

Vinyl DJ'ing vs. CD DJ'ing is a hot debate. Personally, I favor vinyl. I say that mainly because vinyl was still the dominant format of choice when it came to mixing, at the time I began DJ'ing (and also because at the time, a good pair of CD decks were prohibitively expensive). I'm just old school, that's my primary excuse.

I have nothing against CD mixing. There are many valid arguments for CD mixing, which of course include portability. I was one of those guys who lugged up to 4 crates of vinyl with me to all my gigs (and sometimes I was stuck bringing the turntables too). It's much easier just grab a couple of cases of CDs and be on my merry way... much less fuss and strain. There's also the matter of availability... it's becoming a challenge to find some tracks on vinyl anymore.

CD decks have come a long way. The latest CD decks from Pioneer and Technics are capable of doing almost anything that can be done with a 1200. Some people will argue that there are some turntable stunts that you simply can't do with a CD deck, and I'll partially agree with that; how many DJ's out there REALLY possess the kind of Bad Boy Bill-style turntablist skills that can't be done on, say a CDJ-1000? (and the last time I saw Bill perform, even he was playing a few CD's!) Much of the reason guys claim to prefer vinyl is the "poser" factor (yes, I've been guilty of this too). They like to be seen using vinyl, showing off whatever technical skills they have (or may not have). It's almost the same as seeing, say, a pianist performing on a grand piano, or an electronic keyboard. The grand piano looks marvelous, but the result is going to be the same. (I know grand pianos sound better, but I don't want to make that an issue right now.)

What does trouble me is some of this new DJ software starting to show up in use at various places. You simply program a playlist of MP3's from your laptop, the software plays and mixes the songs for the "DJ"... voila, he's an instant performer. It enables almost ANYONE at all to become an instant DJ. And when I say anyone, I mean someone who can bypass months and years of gaining technical beatmixing skills, learning how to feel out crowds and connect with them, and building up energy during the progression of a continuous mix. A lot of these guys who can't otherwise mix a pair of CD's or records, they can't recognize how many BPM a particular song might be (not without the aid of the software, anyway), much less know how to pull off a good smooth 32 or 64 beat transition. Drop an acapella over a dub on the fly? Haha, forget it. I'm all in favor of technology, but not always when it replaces bona fide skill and talent.

Sorry for the long rant.
 
> It doesnt matter what ones you have in your computer, any
> viruses can and will bypass your anti-virus software.
>

What crazy articles have you been reading? Actually I've never had a virus affect me. Plus mp3 files don't have viruses. The only thing that might be a "virus" was some problem with Winamp's handling of id3 tags, but that's all I've ever heard. In addition most anti-virus programs arn't bypassed by a virus as they have ways of detecting weird scrips (even if the virus just came out).

Oh yeah, the original topic. Well although I don't have much to do with vinyl (I guess I'm a "digital punk") I think it's fine for mixing, but that's about it.<P ID="signature">______________
здравствулте!</P>
 
> > It doesnt matter what ones you have in your computer, any
> > viruses can and will bypass your anti-virus software.
> >
>
> What crazy articles have you been reading? Actually I've
> never had a virus affect me. Plus mp3 files don't have
> viruses. The only thing that might be a "virus" was some
> problem with Winamp's handling of id3 tags, but that's all
> I've ever heard. In addition most anti-virus programs arn't
> bypassed by a virus as they have ways of detecting weird
> scrips (even if the virus just came out).

Winamp fixed that vulnerability on their 5.083 update (they are now up to 5.1). Those id3 tags were programmed by some with trojans and viruses due to some glitch on those tags.

>
> Oh yeah, the original topic. Well although I don't have much
> to do with vinyl (I guess I'm a "digital punk") I think it's
> fine for mixing, but that's about it.
>

I use both, and knowing how to mix with both I have to say that both CDs and Vinyl.
 
Re: Crumble...or extinct

> Only thing nice about vinyl - it takes me back to when I was
> a kid. We don't use 4 tracks, 8 tracks, cassettes or vinyl
> anymore for a reason...technology has advanced. Try leaving
> vinyl in the car for a few minutes.
>
> We have one turntable, and it's used just to hear the vinyl
> that comes in each week. We request CD burns from the
> labels if it doesn't come in the pack.
>
> When I see big name DJ's using CD's instead of vinyl, it
> tells me that the big boys get it, it's the second and
> tertiary DJ's that think it's still magical. Yes I know it
> does have a warm sound that is difficult to match on CD.
> But to say that you're not a real DJ if you don't spin vinyl
> is like saying you aren't a real driver unless you've driven
> a Toyota. The only difference is format, not technique.
> Unless you're a lazy DJ who lets the computer mix for you.

I totally agree with you on the last one. I know a DJ from a latin club that does that, and it sounds horrible (no beat matching, no style). I suggested him to invest on Final Scratch, but he won't touch a turntable nor a CD player. I can guarantee he won't last too long.

>
>
> Mixing is an artform, something I cannot do. I have respect
> for those who have mastered the skills, but it's time to
> embrace new technology. Chips with an interface are coming.
> Evolution.
>

I am one of those who uses technology to my advantage in my mixes. I proudly own a Numark CDN 88 dual deck CD player (consider by many as one of the best dual decks ever), and two Gemini PT 2000 turntables. There's nothing like the feel of vinyl, but technology is always welcome in my mobile DJ business.

> Oh, and I hate mp3's too. They should never be used as a
> source file for the masses, just for ipods and personal use.
> If you're playing music in a club or on the radio give the
> public the best audio - UNCOMRESSED.
>

If you create the files, use a bitrate not lower than 192kbps (the conversion is far better is you convert it into .wav files, compared to .mp3 files)
 
> > It doesnt matter what ones you have in your computer, any
> > viruses can and will bypass your anti-virus software.
> >
>
> What crazy articles have you been reading? Actually I've
> never had a virus affect me. Plus mp3 files don't have
> viruses. The only thing that might be a "virus" was some
> problem with Winamp's handling of id3 tags, but that's all
> I've ever heard. In addition most anti-virus programs arn't
> bypassed by a virus as they have ways of detecting weird
> scrips (even if the virus just came out).
>
> Oh yeah, the original topic. Well although I don't have much
> to do with vinyl (I guess I'm a "digital punk") I think it's
> fine for mixing, but that's about it.
>
Plus mp3 files don't have viruses.

what articles are you reading? That's an urban legend that the RIAA wants you to believe. You can get a virus from anything on the computer.<P ID="signature">______________
www.1club.fm</P>
 
I dont' see a connection between Vinyl and why the club scene would be crumbling. It's like saying. "Birthdays aren't happening because bakers are using "splenda" rather than real sugar on the cake"
Wether the DJ is using CDS or Mp3's I don't think it has enough impact to affect the club scene. I think in this case, it also depends on the individual dj and wether hes or she knows how to distinguish between a low quality and high quality source file.






Did anyone notice that the vinyl scene and the club scene
> are crumbling?
>
> All I know is the CD and the downloads are hurting the
> industry because they both dont show the skills.
>
> Mixing with vinyl cant be beat...No matter how everyone
> plays it.
>
> Comments Please
>
 
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