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Do I have digital cable or don't I?

Recently an article in the newspaper that covers the area I visit once a year in the mountains had an article stating that all cable would be digital sometime in October (I read this paper at a local library and sometimes see articles online, though this paper's web site charges if you go over a limit). No more analog cable. At the motel where I go, it was still possible in June to merely change the channel by walking up to the TV. Or with the one remote.

Another recent newspaper article not covering my area said certain channels would no longer be available without an adapter, including the government channel.

When I visited the beach in September, I had to go to the office, which fortunately was still open at the time. Although the place I used to stay had an emergency number and this was certainly an emergency. I couldn't get the TV to work. I was told I have to turn the TV to 3 using the small remote. Then I had to use the big complicated remote to change channels. I was told once they get flat screens, it will once again be possible to change channels the old way.

On February 14, 2009, I got cable for the first time. I had bought a TiVo which worked with digital channels, something I had told Radio Shack I needed. What they didn't say was that the TiVo I got would only work with cable or satellite. Besides, with the converter boxes I had gotten, I could no longer record programs (all four TVs I use have a VCR included, and one converter box supplies both the TV itself and the VCR in each case) without manually setting the channel I wanted to record from. Both TVs with the boxes had to be on channel 3 and changing channels was done by the remote only. The TiVo I had could tape from 2 channels at the same time if the channels were analog, but only one if they were digital. I have been taping two shows at once on that TiVo since 2009. If I try to turn to a channel other than 3, there is a black screen. The other TV that is hooked up to cable I have used to tape some programs but not nearly as many, and it has misbehaved a lot lately, which is why I took advantage of a deal on TiVos recently. The cable that goes into the back of the set is simply connected to the TV just like the wire that used to go to an antenna, and just like the wire coming in from each converter box on two of the other TVs. The same is true for the old TiVo.

I open my new TiVo, which will tape four HD shows at once. I know I need the capability to tape more than one digital channel at once, because there are just too many shows on at the same time, and both VCRs connected to converter boxes are currently MIA. What I had feared was that I wouldn't be able to use them with analog cable. I was right. I called TiVo and was told that by January, there would be no more analog cable, and was told what equipment I would need. The main from TiVo also said I already had digital cable. No, I don't think so. I went to Time Warner yesterday and asked for both items. They didn't give me the converter box for the old TiVo at the time, and they said someone would have to install the Cable Card. They sure were right about that. The man also installed a great big adapter. When the man got through he checked to see what channels I had and I didn't have any. Of course, he had to call to activate the card too. He really seemed to know what he was doing, but then we ran into a little problem with the network. I had tried to plug in the phone line that came with the TiVo, but it was an Ethernet cable and wouldn't fit. Plus the TiVo doesn't come with a place to plug in a phone line, even though when I called TiVo to find out what to do, they said that would work. My Internet comes through a phone line, and I don't see why that wouldn't work. It's slow, if that's their concern, but it's fast enough that I don't have complaints about this site's speed. I will have to get something called a MoCa adapter.

Here's my concern. The man didn't know I had two TiVos and he wanted to see the other one. After what he had done, I was amazed to see I still had my channels. I'm not sure how it came up, but he said I wouldn't be getting the government channel. At a local college library, I heard a man say that channel now required an adapter. I also don't get one of the shopping channels or the religious channel any more. When I said I didn't want those, he said he would take the adapter out and I wouldn't be charged for it. When he realized the MoCa problem wouldn't be solved until I bought the required part, he checked my channels. there was Drew Carey and the contestant spinning the big wheel. He said I had my channels and the next step was to solve my MoCa problem. More than once I asked him about the end of analog cable and was told I had digital cable.

If anyone is willing to read the long fourth paragraph, I want to know. Am I going to have to upgrade?
 
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Short answer: You have analog cable (over digital) for now.

Long answer: When your cable provider drops the analog signals for good, they will scramble every single channel in their line up. Even your locals that used to be "in the clear" during the analog days. You will be forced to rent a digital cable receiver from your provider (for a monthly price, of course! Usually $4-$6) to watch ANYTHING your cable provider provides.
 
Check the coax after it's been on for an hour or so, vchimp.
Digital cable tastes like strawberry.
Analog cable tastes like plain ol' vanilla.
Hope this helps!
 
When I came up here to MON (Middle of Nowhere) I had a 3 month 'discussion' with the cable company about whether I got service or not. After we settled that and the service was installed, I had to have another 'discussion' about Cable Cards. I finally convinced the cable company to install a cable card in my Tivo and a cable card in my TV (since my TV supports it). No cable box at all (and cheaper). All channels tune with the remotes. Only thing I lost was 'video on demand' which (having Netflix) I just don't care about.
 
When I came up here to MON (Middle of Nowhere) I had a 3 month 'discussion' with the cable company about whether I got service or not. After we settled that and the service was installed, I had to have another 'discussion' about Cable Cards. I finally convinced the cable company to install a cable card in my Tivo and a cable card in my TV (since my TV supports it). No cable box at all (and cheaper). All channels tune with the remotes. Only thing I lost was 'video on demand' which (having Netflix) I just don't care about.
The deal with Cablecards are the cable operators absolutely hate that they are mandated by law to carry them. Note I say carry them because you have to jump through a lot of hoops until you can get them to offer you that option. They would rather you never know that option exists so they can saddle you up with a cable box/DVR and remote rental for every tv set in your home for more cash per month of course.
 
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Here's a stupid question from a television dummy, please don't laugh at me:

A guy from the cable company swears that I have digital, despite the fact that an indicator on my RCA flat-screen television says "analog". But when I watch many programs (including baseball/football games, morning news, etc. etc.) part of the picture still runs off each side of the screen, as was the case when I had my old boxy analog television. So do I in fact have digital cable, but need to go "HD" so that the picture fits properly?
 
When does it say "analog?"
Odds are, and I'm thinking out loud here, but the "analog indicator" you're getting is a reflection of a setting you have set up in your tv settings, not an actual readout your tv is receiving from the cable company. For example, our Panasonic tv (no cable, OTA only) only says "Analog" or "Digital" when we rescan for channel reception and then when we go to watch the channels we can choose to include the "analog" or "digital" channels in what we see. In essence, the channels are scanned under "Digital" or "analog" but really there's only "digital" now because the last analog TBN translator we used to get went off a month or so ago. But "analog" still appears in the tv options. And we can enter in an analog channel (say 50, instead of 50-1 or 50-2 for a digital channel) but there's never anything on any of the analog ones.

As for the format size jumping around, our tv does that depending on what the station is broadcasting. Our ABC station jumps around in the morning news when they go from the widescreen national morning show to the local, squeezed-box format cut-ins. Sometimes on the same for the cut-ins on ball games too. The same thing happened back when we had Dish, so I'd say that's a function of the station, not necessarily your cable.

Of course, then again, the guy from the cable company may be blowing smoke up your longjohns. They are known to bend the truth when necessary, as others have said here on this thread.... ;)
 
Here's a stupid question from a television dummy, please don't laugh at me:

A guy from the cable company swears that I have digital, despite the fact that an indicator on my RCA flat-screen television says "analog". But when I watch many programs (including baseball/football games, morning news, etc. etc.) part of the picture still runs off each side of the screen, as was the case when I had my old boxy analog television. So do I in fact have digital cable, but need to go "HD" so that the picture fits properly?
I still have the boxy TV and my picture runs off the screen.
 
When does it say "analog?"
Odds are, and I'm thinking out loud here, but the "analog indicator" you're getting is a reflection of a setting you have set up in your tv settings, not an actual readout your tv is receiving from the cable company. For example, our Panasonic tv (no cable, OTA only) only says "Analog" or "Digital" when we rescan for channel reception and then when we go to watch the channels we can choose to include the "analog" or "digital" channels in what we see. In essence, the channels are scanned under "Digital" or "analog" but really there's only "digital" now because the last analog TBN translator we used to get went off a month or so ago. But "analog" still appears in the tv options. And we can enter in an analog channel (say 50, instead of 50-1 or 50-2 for a digital channel) but there's never anything on any of the analog ones.

As for the format size jumping around, our tv does that depending on what the station is broadcasting. Our ABC station jumps around in the morning news when they go from the widescreen national morning show to the local, squeezed-box format cut-ins. Sometimes on the same for the cut-ins on ball games too. The same thing happened back when we had Dish, so I'd say that's a function of the station, not necessarily your cable.

Of course, then again, the guy from the cable company may be blowing smoke up your longjohns. They are known to bend the truth when necessary, as others have said here on this thread.... ;)

I wear the kind of underwear Alan Harper usually does on 'Two and a Half Men" that everyone laughs at.

Well, I may never know if he was right or not. We don't know the reason he couldn't get any channels. I was told to buy some kind of adapter to allow me to use a phone line for my Internet, and I went several places and only Staples had ever had it but couldn't get it now. They would have had to order it. Since I was so slow in getting around to setting up my TiVo, I couldn't have waited to order it. Today was the last day I could have sent it back. I called TiVo to find out if they sold the part--AND THEY DID! And the man refused to sell it to ME because the reason they made the new style TiVo without a place to plug in a phone line is that they want to offer the best possible features and that requires downloading software. He told me I may find this doesn't work (he didn't actually know what speed I had, but upgrading to what I believed he considered necessary would be an additional $22 a month, so I'm not doing it) and then I'll be stuck. Knowing it was too late to take chances, I said I'd send it back. The man gave me detailed advice, saying I needed to remove the cable card. I hope I packed it well enough, but I know I didn't do that good a job. I even used a box from the library rather than the original box, but nothing is nice and neat like when they sent it to me. The man also found me a machine that works with a phone line on Amazon, since TiVo didn't sell the older-style machines any more. They want you to have the best possible experience!

So I'm back where I was, not knowing if I need to do any upgrades. I may still find out I can't record more than two shows at a time if there's an upgrade to be done, but for now, if it's like my old one, I can do four shows at a time. Meanwhile, both VCRs connected to antennas are broken ...
 
Short answer: You have analog cable (over digital) for now.

Long answer: When your cable provider drops the analog signals for good, they will scramble every single channel in their line up. Even your locals that used to be "in the clear" during the analog days. You will be forced to rent a digital cable receiver from your provider (for a monthly price, of course! Usually $4-$6) to watch ANYTHING your cable provider provides.
My intention was to have the man upgrade everything while he was there. He claims that won't be necessary. I was surprised after all his work that everything still worked like it did before.

Now had I gotten the adapter, until it arrived and I got the TV set up, I would have been unable to watch certain shows unless the signal from the antenna worked because the other TV would have been taping two other shows at once.
 
A man from the cable company was in my neighborhood this morning. I handed him the cable card and told him who I was. He said I would not be charged for the man to come install it and do the other stuff he did last week, which was all for nothing. That makes things a little easier because now I don't have to remember to take it tomorrow.

From the link in one of the emails I was sent: "Setting up your TiVo DVR is easy!"

Yeah. About as easy as signing up for Obamacare.

After following the other links, I didn't see anything that applied to my situation, and judging from how complicated everything was, I probably wouldn't have been able to get the thing to work anyway.
 
Weird. I'm getting that shopping channel but I'm not supposed to. I know he disconnected that box after I said I didn't want the channel.
 
Here's a question. I'm not sure why I did this, but I actually looked at the channel numbers in the TV listings that I pay extra for that come in the newspaper. Even though TiVo gives me all I need if what I'm looking up is not too far in the future or the past, I do this because twice a year I go to a motel with nothing like the TV Guide channel and to read the articles and what few episode summaries there are. The listings are worthless because there is so little information, and some shows have titles too long to fit so you can't tell what's there.

Why are all the numbers on one area cable system--just one--three digits?
 
This is encouraging, and it means I was right to send that TiVo back. I saw a newspaper column today where a reporter answers people's questions. Someone wanted to know about the channels that had moved to a digital tier. Time Warner responded that they have no plans to stop offering channels in analog. There are only a few people who would need that, of course. Meanwhile, I plugged my new TiVo into the phone jack and listened to it make a noise like a fan. I haven't been able to activate it because I waited until bedtime to do that and this morning my phone wasn't working. The man came to my house and I wasn't there because i was having trouble with the Internet at the college. No, I couldn't use the excuse that I have it at home this time. I had a good reason for being there. So the man came back to my house and I was on hold with someone on the phone that was now working. I decided not to activate my TiVo service--well, actually, I didn't think about it. I went outside and the man said one of my phones still wasn't working. I said I had to deal with the person I was on hold with, and she was saying I should be talking to someone else, and I heard a truck leave ...
 
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