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Do kids really like oldies?

yeoldeschool said:
To everyone above in general: I guess I'm an outlier too, then. My musical tastes today are still inclusive of everything I enjoyed during my youngest years through high school and beyond. That includes endless finds taken from the music my parents and grandparents enjoyed (1920s-1960s), and that older friends in my youth consistently exposed me to (1970s).

I always enjoyed exploring every style and era I could in search of songs that might end up resonating with me enough to become keepers on my personal list. While I have favorite genres, music as a whole basically appeals to me by the song, rather than by the style, period, or demographic -- and these days, I'm as likely to discover new keepers while exploring new releases (mainstream or otherwise) as while rummaging through the assorted musical history bins. I've also always had a great love of exploring eccentric sources of music. Before the internet, college radio, Dr. Demento, musically eccentric shows like Northern Exposure, and other oddball sources were of great value to me, discovery-wise. International music in languages I don't understand even leads me to occasional new keepers. I remember finding and adding to my list some strangely melodic Greek ballads thanks to a shortwave broadcaster in Greece once. Couldn't understand a word, but loved the melodies, the instrumentation, and the overall sound. Foreign internet streams are to me what David said DXing was to him in that regard. And David, your sensibilities as far as choosing what to listen to based on mood describes me as well. Even the way you described yourself in record stores was me on Napster (impulsive exploration), and although I never used beautiful music to help me with my homework, I did use my PRO-2006 in my early teens to listen in on Muzak's 900 MHz FM transmitter network quite often. I guess I was doing the "LoFi Girl" Youtube thing before there was a Youtube ... and without being a girl.

My tastes also don't really evolve in the sense of new music making the old stuff sound dated. I like the charm of songs that now sound dated. The only ones I ever became sick of were songs that others, rather than myself, burned to a crisp. Thanks to KRTH, for example, I can't even take the first bar of "Hotel California" today, whereas it was a teen favorite when I discovered The Eagles. And I tend to avoid stations that research which songs people still like, confining their playlists to just those. I understand why those stations do that, and don't fault them -- it draws the largest numbers and leads to the greatest success. I just can't listen to them for very long because they will burn me out on too many things I like.

In conclusion, I'm another Chimp. And definitely one of the kids who really liked oldies.

By the way:


Speaking of Emmis Communications and outlier tastes blowing up big, do you know Emmanuel Coquia, KPWR's PD? Tell him there's an outlier here who thinks KPWR HD3 should be a faithful 24/7 recreation of Power 106's 1986-1991 era, complete with all the imaging in the same way KROQ HD2 is a faithful 24/7 recreation of its former, '80s self. I would absolutely love to see that come to pass and in fact have been wondering since the dawn of KROQ HD2 why it hasn't! There has to be an audience out there at least as large as KROQ HD2's who would go ape for this.
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I'm with you here. Most of what I don't like is the stuff that's been burned to a crisp. I've pretty much stopped listening to the radio as a result of this. "Hotel California" isn't even a dial changer for me anymore - it's a radio-turner-offer. pretty much anything Eagles makes me want to not listen to music for an hour. Same with most of the typical "classic hits" stuff.

I get why stations do it, but it's definitely not for me.

I'm also an outlier, no doubt about it - both music-wise and in general. I'm a 22-year-old whose musical taste begins around 1979 and just travels back from there, across many genres. Heck, I was just listening to (and loving) a great Ray Conniff performance of "Tie a Yellow Ribbon" last night... Outlier for sure haha.
 
AMRadioGuy said:
I'm with you here. Most of what I don't like is the stuff that's been burned to a crisp. I've pretty much stopped listening to the radio as a result of this. "Hotel California" isn't even a dial changer for me anymore - it's a radio-turner-offer. pretty much anything Eagles makes me want to not listen to music for an hour. Same with most of the typical "classic hits" stuff.

I get why stations do it, but it's definitely not for me.

I'm also an outlier, no doubt about it - both music-wise and in general. I'm a 22-year-old whose musical taste begins around 1979 and just travels back from there, across many genres. Heck, I was just listening to (and loving) a great Ray Conniff performance of "Tie a Yellow Ribbon" last night... Outlier for sure haha.
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Do the Conniff Singers sing "the whole damn bus is cheering" or "the whole darn bus ..."?
 
K.M. Richards said:
I see no context to relate this to. Could you please remember to use the "reply" function so that the post you are responding to shows up as a quote?
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Looks like he was responding to the subject line: Do kids really like oldies? For some reason -- maybe he's a kid himself or posing as one on the internet -- he used "1's" to mean "ones." Oh well, I see he's banned now. I hope it wasn't for this relatively minor offense.
 
AMRadioGuy said:
I'm with you here. Most of what I don't like is the stuff that's been burned to a crisp. I've pretty much stopped listening to the radio as a result of this. "Hotel California" isn't even a dial changer for me anymore - it's a radio-turner-offer. pretty much anything Eagles makes me want to not listen to music for an hour. Same with most of the typical "classic hits" stuff.
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I appreciate that, especially as you also self-identify as an "outlier", but certainly you must know that even posting your sentiment in public is going to have zero effect on how we program.

The reality -- and it is obvious you already know this -- Classic Hits is about "consensus favorites" and the vast majority of the format's listeners expect that when they tune in. If that weren't the case, the format would not be such a strong performer in so many markets.

What I really get tired of is that phrase "burned to a crisp" because it is inaccurate for everyone except you outliers. Couldn't you guys come up with a less offensive term for songs you don't want to hear because (in your collective opinion) they have been overplayed?
 
K.M. Richards said:
I appreciate that, especially as you also self-identify as an "outlier", but certainly you must know that even posting your sentiment in public is going to have zero effect on how we program.

The reality -- and it is obvious you already know this -- Classic Hits is about "consensus favorites" and the vast majority of the format's listeners expect that when they tune in. If that weren't the case, the format would not be such a strong performer in so many markets.

What I really get tired of is that phrase "burned to a crisp" because it is inaccurate for everyone except you outliers. Couldn't you guys come up with a less offensive term for songs you don't want to hear because (in your collective opinion) they have been overplayed?
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Oh, I realize that. The reality is that most of what gets posted on this board has zero effect on programming. This whole thread isn't going to have any impact in that area. I'm just sharing my opinion.

As far as I am concerned, that song is "burned to a crisp." That's my opinion, and that verbiage describes how I feel.

Also... if you're tired of that phrase, well... I guess you feel it's been "burned to a crisp" haha:) (and to be clear - this is meant as good-natured humor) kind of the way I feel about most of the songs commonly played on classic hits stations.

Yes, "classic hits" is a consensus format, just the same as Walmart or Dollar General are consensus grocery stores and McDonalds is a consensus restaurant. Predictable and often a bit stale and trite. That's the world we live in - nothing wrong with that, I guess. But I prefer something a tad more unique, with a little personality, that might pull me out of my comfort zone, even once in a while... But, having that opinion makes me an outlier, and I realize that.
 
AMRadioGuy said:
Oh, I realize that. The reality is that most of what gets posted on this board has zero effect on programming. This whole thread isn't going to have any impact in that area. I'm just sharing my opinion.

As far as I am concerned, that song is "burned to a crisp." That's my opinion, and that verbiage describes how I feel.

Also... if you're tired of that phrase, well... I guess you feel it's been "burned to a crisp" haha:) (and to be clear - this is meant as good-natured humor) kind of the way I feel about most of the songs commonly played on classic hits stations.

Yes, "classic hits" is a consensus format, just the same as Walmart or Dollar General are consensus grocery stores and McDonalds is a consensus restaurant. Predictable and often a bit stale and trite. That's the world we live in - nothing wrong with that, I guess. But I prefer something a tad more unique, with a little personality, that might pull me out of my comfort zone, even once in a while... But, having that opinion makes me an outlier, and I realize that.
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What you seek is on plenty of low-budget, hobby-type internet streams, although none have any personality. Those stations are money pits and liable to vanish when the expense of running them is too much for the owners to bear, but at least you'll be hearing songs that aren't "burnt out."
 
CTListener said:
What you seek is on plenty of low-budget, hobby-type internet streams, although none have any personality. Those stations are money pits and liable to vanish when the expense of running them is too much for the owners to bear, but at least you'll be hearing songs that aren't "burnt out."
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At this point, I pretty much either listen from my extensive personal collection of albums and tapes, or I seek out old airchecks of stations from the 60s & 70s to listen to. Plenty of personality there, and usually lots of songs that have been completely forgotten today.
 
The legal station IDs change each hour. Sometimes it's Dad's favorite radio station, sometimes Mom's, sometimes Grandma's.

The songs I heard today include "Blue Moon" by The Marcels, "Blue Velvet" by Bobby Vinton and "Garden Party" by Ricky Nelson.
 
CTListener said:
No, let's not. What possible harm could be done by naming the station?
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I agree with you, both as a participant and as a moderator: unless a poster is restrained by their job or other "life-impacting" reason from naming stations or other relevant facts in a post, there is no reason to camouflage in non-specific words the facts behind a post.
 
DavidEduardo said:
I agree with you, both as a participant and as a moderator: unless a poster is restrained by their job or other "life-impacting" reason from naming stations or other relevant facts in a post, there is no reason to camouflage in non-specific words the facts behind a post.
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How about I just don't want to reveal my specific location?
 
K.M. Richards said:
Unless you live at the station, Chimp, I personally don't see why you hesitate to share this station that you obviously love so much.
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I don't love it that much. It plays some good songs. But I've posted enough information that telling people what station it is could make it possible for someone to put together all the details and figure out exactly where I live.
 


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