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Do most Dance fans Have money, OR ARE THEY BROKE

M

midwestclubber

Guest
Ive heard it both ways, so lets figure this out. Do most dance fans have alot of disposable income, or are most of us kinda Broke. I am noticing the Clubs in Indianapolis, and NOW St. louis seem to be empty lately, especially Sunday through thursday. IS this because Dance Fans dont have the money for the Cover Charge, Expensive beer, and the likes. However, the Hip Hop clubs are Packed every night of the week, and all the hot girls go there. It is very seldom to find a (Single Female) at a Dance Club, in Indy, or St.Louis, most are there as couples, or not there at all. I always thought Dance fans were supposed to be rich, even though, I dont know any Rich Dance Fans, and maybe that is why advertisers dont Support Dance stations, But I really dont know anything about Income, from Dance Demos, but Im sure some of you do. This may start a debate, but I am stepping out, to let the people in the know, discuss this. I hope to hear Mikeos take on this, as well, since he actually has programed a commercial dance station.
 
> Ive heard it both ways, so lets figure this out. Do most
> dance fans have alot of disposable income, or are most of us
> kinda Broke. I am noticing the Clubs in Indianapolis, and
> NOW St. louis seem to be empty lately, especially Sunday
> through thursday. IS this because Dance Fans dont have the
> money for the Cover Charge, Expensive beer, and the likes.
> However, the Hip Hop clubs are Packed every night of the
> week, and all the hot girls go there. It is very seldom to
> find a (Single Female) at a Dance Club, in Indy, or
> St.Louis, most are there as couples, or not there at all. I
> always thought Dance fans were supposed to be rich, even
> though, I dont know any Rich Dance Fans, and maybe that is
> why advertisers dont Support Dance stations, But I really
> dont know anything about Income, from Dance Demos, but Im
> sure some of you do. This may start a debate, but I am
> stepping out, to let the people in the know, discuss this.
> I hope to hear Mikeos take on this, as well, since he
> actually has programed a commercial dance station.
>
Hey there, MWC! Dance fans were rich when Studio 54 was open,back when America HAD dance fans, who bought the music, charted it,got it onto crossover radio,and watched it spread to the mainstream audience, who then joined in the support and made it BIG: dance in America has not been BIG in years where clubgoers and music purchasers are concerned; it's quite little, cos most of what's released is marketed to DJs and hardcore dance afficiandos,and not the man(or woman) in the street. This is what I've been talking about for quite a while,your average person does not percieve this the way that posters on this(or other dance message boards) do;to the average person,dance as a genre is over,and only records with MASS appeal can change that,and I'm giving it another shot with "DanceFloor" any time now, so stay tuned(as i've also said before, I can't do much worse than what happens to 99% of dance releases in this day and age.)
 
Hey, how come when I say that, I'm a e****g a*****e? <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by rdalton on 08/27/05 07:12 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> Hey, how come when I say that, I'm a e****g a*****e?
>
Because you say it every thread, and lalumia only says it one out of five maybe threads :)
 
> > Hey, how come when I say that, I'm a e****g a*****e?
> >
> Because you say it every thread, and lalumia only says it
> one out of five maybe threads :)
>
say WHAT?
 
You'll find fans of all styles of music range from poor to filthy rich. When it comes to the clubs, most clubs try to program what they think will make them the most money. Since the major national outlets are telling this country that hip hop is the music of today's generation, everyone wants to hear hip hop. It's no different than why everyone wants a Krispy Kreme, or A&F. If it's marketed as 'the IN thing', people want it. Remember last year when every stinking food commercial on tv boasted "low carbs"...that's cuz Mr. Dead Atkins' diet was 'the IN thing'. Well it's fading, perhaps his death had something to do with it, and now carbs are cool again.

Dance music doesn't have the $ behind it in this country to become 'the IN thing' right now. Without the $, major national outlets won't give it the exposure to make it 'the IN thing'. Don't confuse DHT's "Listen To Your Heart" as a breakout dance track, the ballad version is what moved that record up the charts, not the dance version.

You can't blame the quality of dance music either, have you listened to other formats. There's shi* all across the dial. (or channels if you're an XMer or Siriuser kinda person)

It comes down to supporting your scene. If you like dance music, buy it. BUY IT. If you're rich, buy a couple. Labels pay attention to sales. If a club has a dance night, go there, dance all night, spend money. Let the club know that they kick ass for supporting dance music. When they count the $ and it measures up to the hip hop night, they may offer an additional night.

If the labels see $ and the clubs see $, the national outlets will make it 'the IN thing'.

It's not easy to change the status quo. If you know that you can make money painting houses blue, why pick a different color when blue is making money. You could go broke.

Support Support Support. That's how you change. Call your local CHR's and request the biggest COMMERCIAL dance songs, not the goa stuff your cousin likes, we all know that isn't going to happen.

Maybe in a couple of years, well see more dance songs on CHR's and in the clubs.
 
> You'll find fans of all styles of music range from poor to
> filthy rich. When it comes to the clubs, most clubs try to
> program what they think will make them the most money.
> Since the major national outlets are telling this country
> that hip hop is the music of today's generation, everyone
> wants to hear hip hop. It's no different than why everyone
> wants a Krispy Kreme, or A&F. If it's marketed as 'the IN
> thing', people want it. Remember last year when every
> stinking food commercial on tv boasted "low carbs"...that's
> cuz Mr. Dead Atkins' diet was 'the IN thing'. Well it's
> fading, perhaps his death had something to do with it, and
> now carbs are cool again.
>
> Dance music doesn't have the $ behind it in this country to
> become 'the IN thing' right now. Without the $, major
> national outlets won't give it the exposure to make it 'the
> IN thing'. Don't confuse DHT's "Listen To Your Heart" as a
> breakout dance track, the ballad version is what moved that
> record up the charts, not the dance version.
>
> You can't blame the quality of dance music either, have you
> listened to other formats. There's shi* all across the
> dial. (or channels if you're an XMer or Siriuser kinda
> person)
>
> It comes down to supporting your scene. If you like dance
> music, buy it. BUY IT. If you're rich, buy a couple.
> Labels pay attention to sales. If a club has a dance night,
> go there, dance all night, spend money. Let the club know
> that they kick ass for supporting dance music. When they
> count the $ and it measures up to the hip hop night, they
> may offer an additional night.
>
> If the labels see $ and the clubs see $, the national
> outlets will make it 'the IN thing'.
>
> It's not easy to change the status quo. If you know that
> you can make money painting houses blue, why pick a
> different color when blue is making money. You could go
> broke.
>
> Support Support Support. That's how you change. Call your
> local CHR's and request the biggest COMMERCIAL dance songs,
> not the goa stuff your cousin likes, we all know that isn't
> going to happen.
>
> Maybe in a couple of years, well see more dance songs on
> CHR's and in the clubs.
>
EXCELLENT! I've touched on most of these concepts during my visits here, and you've tied the package together brilliantly; bravo.I will say,the kids won't react to something that they DON'T want to react to; don't forget MTV's push on "Electronica" in the late 90s.,MTV'S "Amped" CD, videos in heavy rotation by the Prodigy,Chemical Brothers, "Block rockin Beats" etc, tie ins to CHR, it was being shoved down 'the kids' throats; and THEY THREW UP.They didn't like it, didn't buy it, and turned instead to the bubblegum wave from the UK, Spice Girls, Backstreet Boys, etc. you can lead a horse to water,but you can't make it drink!
 
> You'll find fans of all styles of music range from poor to
> filthy rich. When it comes to the clubs, most clubs try to
> program what they think will make them the most money.
> Since the major national outlets are telling this country
> that hip hop is the music of today's generation, everyone
> wants to hear hip hop. It's no different than why everyone
> wants a Krispy Kreme, or A&F. If it's marketed as 'the IN
> thing', people want it. Remember last year when every
> stinking food commercial on tv boasted "low carbs"...that's
> cuz Mr. Dead Atkins' diet was 'the IN thing'. Well it's
> fading, perhaps his death had something to do with it, and
> now carbs are cool again.
>
> Dance music doesn't have the $ behind it in this country to
> become 'the IN thing' right now. Without the $, major
> national outlets won't give it the exposure to make it 'the
> IN thing'. Don't confuse DHT's "Listen To Your Heart" as a
> breakout dance track, the ballad version is what moved that
> record up the charts, not the dance version.
>
> You can't blame the quality of dance music either, have you
> listened to other formats. There's shi* all across the
> dial. (or channels if you're an XMer or Siriuser kinda
> person)
>
> It comes down to supporting your scene. If you like dance
> music, buy it. BUY IT. If you're rich, buy a couple.
> Labels pay attention to sales. If a club has a dance night,
> go there, dance all night, spend money. Let the club know
> that they kick ass for supporting dance music. When they
> count the $ and it measures up to the hip hop night, they
> may offer an additional night.
>
> If the labels see $ and the clubs see $, the national
> outlets will make it 'the IN thing'.
>
> It's not easy to change the status quo. If you know that
> you can make money painting houses blue, why pick a
> different color when blue is making money. You could go
> broke.
>
> Support Support Support. That's how you change. Call your
> local CHR's and request the biggest COMMERCIAL dance songs,
> not the goa stuff your cousin likes, we all know that isn't
> going to happen.
>
> Maybe in a couple of years, well see more dance songs on
> CHR's and in the clubs.


If this isn't a valid argument AGAINST using file-sharing programs to download music "for free", then I don't know what this is.

If you want Dance Music to survive, and to THRIVE, and to eventually BECOME "the IN thing" once again, using file-trading programs to download this music "for free" WON'T HELP THAT HAPPEN!!

It WON'T register as a legitimate "sale" by the companies that help to make and distribute this music! In fact, it could prove COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE to getting Dance Music "out there"!! Why? Well, it's cuz it takes MONEY for the music to be made! It costs MONEY for the Dance artists to get studio time in the recording studio. It costs MONEY for the instruments used to help make the music! It costs MONEY to hire back-up singers or back-up bands! And it costs MONEY for permission for the artists to sample other music to make the Dance Music that we hear! And let's NOT forget all the other people who work "behind the scenes" to edit the songs, to tweak the songs, and to re-produce them for distribution! And finally, there's the costs for advertising and promotion of said music!

NONE OF THAT comes "for free"!!

If you want your "preferred" type of music to THRIVE, then you MUST BUY that music, whether that is in the record stores (like Sam Goody, Camelot Music, or other stores), the big chain-stores (like Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, etc.), or even the legal downloading sites (such as Apple's iTunes, RealOne's Rhapsody, CD Universe, or Microsoft's Windows Media).

And it REALLY costs only a MERE DOLLAR to download a song off most of these legitimate download services, and sometimes, they even offer specials to customers to get songs for even LESS THAN A DOLLAR!!

But that is a SMALL PRICE to pay when you consider what it does for the Dance Music scene! It registers as a legitimate "sale", and it helps pay for all that described above. If enough people purchase the music, it'll help create a BUZZ on the street about it, and more people will purchase the music!

Yes, I understand the arguments for how people "think" they're "entitled" to get their music "for free" off file-trading services.

But all that will do is DAMAGE the very music that we want to THRIVE in the industry!

So, next time you consider getting your next Dance Music track off a file-trading service, PLEASE consider instaed PURCHASING that song on a legitimate download service, cuz that MERE DOLLAR will go A LONG WAY towards HELPING out the Dance Music scene!!

DeanSB<P ID="signature">______________
Dance Music RULEZ!! :)</P>
 
I agree with you Mike. In the past 5 years, music of all stripes sucks. I attribute that to the consolidation of the record industry which forgets music is about music, not about the bottom line. There are what, 4 record labels now? How long till there are two? Then just 1 ?

But you can blame dance artists Mike. Unlike processed pop music, where the sound, image and feel is controlled by the label, it's not the case in dance. The ARTIST creates the song. I can't imagine the dance labels have massive control over the music...and great music can be created on a limited budget. It's been done how many times over the past 50 years ?

But you are right on the money about support. That's support right across the board, but it starts with BUYING the music. But...there has to be the product that you want to buy.


Music seems to be recovering overall from the low point of afew years ago, but generally it's crap. Nothing is inspiring. Where are today equivelents of The Smiths, New Order, Depeche Mode, or even Nirvana? Let's face it, outside of a few examples, not alot out there worth supporting.

You'll find fans of all styles of music range from poor to
> filthy rich. When it comes to the clubs, most clubs try to
> program what they think will make them the most money.
> Since the major national outlets are telling this country
> that hip hop is the music of today's generation, everyone
> wants to hear hip hop. It's no different than why everyone
> wants a Krispy Kreme, or A&F. If it's marketed as 'the IN
> thing', people want it. Remember last year when every
> stinking food commercial on tv boasted "low carbs"...that's
> cuz Mr. Dead Atkins' diet was 'the IN thing'. Well it's
> fading, perhaps his death had something to do with it, and
> now carbs are cool again.
>
> Dance music doesn't have the $ behind it in this country to
> become 'the IN thing' right now. Without the $, major
> national outlets won't give it the exposure to make it 'the
> IN thing'. Don't confuse DHT's "Listen To Your Heart" as a
> breakout dance track, the ballad version is what moved that
> record up the charts, not the dance version.
>
> You can't blame the quality of dance music either, have you
> listened to other formats. There's shi* all across the
> dial. (or channels if you're an XMer or Siriuser kinda
> person)
>
> It comes down to supporting your scene. If you like dance
> music, buy it. BUY IT. If you're rich, buy a couple.
> Labels pay attention to sales. If a club has a dance night,
> go there, dance all night, spend money. Let the club know
> that they kick ass for supporting dance music. When they
> count the $ and it measures up to the hip hop night, they
> may offer an additional night.
>
> If the labels see $ and the clubs see $, the national
> outlets will make it 'the IN thing'.
>
> It's not easy to change the status quo. If you know that
> you can make money painting houses blue, why pick a
> different color when blue is making money. You could go
> broke.
>
> Support Support Support. That's how you change. Call your
> local CHR's and request the biggest COMMERCIAL dance songs,
> not the goa stuff your cousin likes, we all know that isn't
> going to happen.
>
> Maybe in a couple of years, well see more dance songs on
> CHR's and in the clubs.
>
 
> > You'll find fans of all styles of music range from poor to
>
> > filthy rich. When it comes to the clubs, most clubs try
> to
> > program what they think will make them the most money.
> > Since the major national outlets are telling this country
> > that hip hop is the music of today's generation, everyone
> > wants to hear hip hop. It's no different than why
> everyone
> > wants a Krispy Kreme, or A&F. If it's marketed as 'the IN
>
> > thing', people want it. Remember last year when every
> > stinking food commercial on tv boasted "low
> carbs"...that's
> > cuz Mr. Dead Atkins' diet was 'the IN thing'. Well it's
> > fading, perhaps his death had something to do with it, and
>
> > now carbs are cool again.
> >
> > Dance music doesn't have the $ behind it in this country
> to
> > become 'the IN thing' right now. Without the $, major
> > national outlets won't give it the exposure to make it
> 'the
> > IN thing'. Don't confuse DHT's "Listen To Your Heart" as
> a
> > breakout dance track, the ballad version is what moved
> that
> > record up the charts, not the dance version.
> >
> > You can't blame the quality of dance music either, have
> you
> > listened to other formats. There's shi* all across the
> > dial. (or channels if you're an XMer or Siriuser kinda
> > person)
> >
> > It comes down to supporting your scene. If you like dance
>
> > music, buy it. BUY IT. If you're rich, buy a couple.
> > Labels pay attention to sales. If a club has a dance
> night,
> > go there, dance all night, spend money. Let the club know
>
> > that they kick ass for supporting dance music. When they
> > count the $ and it measures up to the hip hop night, they
> > may offer an additional night.
> >
> > If the labels see $ and the clubs see $, the national
> > outlets will make it 'the IN thing'.
> >
> > It's not easy to change the status quo. If you know that
> > you can make money painting houses blue, why pick a
> > different color when blue is making money. You could go
> > broke.
> >
> > Support Support Support. That's how you change. Call
> your
> > local CHR's and request the biggest COMMERCIAL dance
> songs,
> > not the goa stuff your cousin likes, we all know that
> isn't
> > going to happen.
> >
> > Maybe in a couple of years, well see more dance songs on
> > CHR's and in the clubs.
>
>
> If this isn't a valid argument AGAINST using file-sharing
> programs to download music "for free", then I don't know
> what this is.
>
> If you want Dance Music to survive, and to THRIVE, and to
> eventually BECOME "the IN thing" once again, using
> file-trading programs to download this music "for free"
> WON'T HELP THAT HAPPEN!!
>
> It WON'T register as a legitimate "sale" by the companies
> that help to make and distribute this music! In fact, it
> could prove COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE to getting Dance Music "out
> there"!! Why? Well, it's cuz it takes MONEY for the music
> to be made! It costs MONEY for the Dance artists to get
> studio time in the recording studio. It costs MONEY for the
> instruments used to help make the music! It costs MONEY to
> hire back-up singers or back-up bands! And it costs MONEY
> for permission for the artists to sample other music to make
> the Dance Music that we hear! And let's NOT forget all the
> other people who work "behind the scenes" to edit the songs,
> to tweak the songs, and to re-produce them for distribution!
> And finally, there's the costs for advertising and
> promotion of said music!
>
> NONE OF THAT comes "for free"!!
>
> If you want your "preferred" type of music to THRIVE, then
> you MUST BUY that music, whether that is in the record
> stores (like Sam Goody, Camelot Music, or other stores), the
> big chain-stores (like Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, etc.), or
> even the legal downloading sites (such as Apple's iTunes,
> RealOne's Rhapsody, CD Universe, or Microsoft's Windows
> Media).
>
> And it REALLY costs only a MERE DOLLAR to download a song
> off most of these legitimate download services, and
> sometimes, they even offer specials to customers to get
> songs for even LESS THAN A DOLLAR!!
>
> But that is a SMALL PRICE to pay when you consider what it
> does for the Dance Music scene! It registers as a
> legitimate "sale", and it helps pay for all that described
> above. If enough people purchase the music, it'll help
> create a BUZZ on the street about it, and more people will
> purchase the music!
>
> Yes, I understand the arguments for how people "think"
> they're "entitled" to get their music "for free" off
> file-trading services.
>
> But all that will do is DAMAGE the very music that we want
> to THRIVE in the industry!
>
> So, next time you consider getting your next Dance Music
> track off a file-trading service, PLEASE consider instaed
> PURCHASING that song on a legitimate download service, cuz
> that MERE DOLLAR will go A LONG WAY towards HELPING out the
> Dance Music scene!!
>
> DeanSB
>
)Okay, how did this turn into file sharing, and illegal download supports.
 
Do most Dance fans .....

Wired read the thread, and is posting the following:


-I think, MikeO nailed it!! with the first post..it is
all about $$. his post was direct to the point & flawless.

But, as i usually do: i have a little inquiry :::::

Why, do the major chains/'stores' (Ambercomb&Fitch, and
a few other - modest/upscale clothing outlets) use
'dance/electronic music?' * not as a novelity but as
a selling point; and, on the bigger picture, why hasnt
that set off a chain reaction to place dance back into
the main stream, and not just using a somewhat worn out,
yet catchy, song from '96 to promote six flags..???

Riddle me that..

ALso, read more!!!
check out the post
"Downloading music"
 
Re: Do most Dance fans .....

> Wired read the thread, and is posting the following:
>
>
> -I think, MikeO nailed it!! with the first post..it is
> all about $$. his post was direct to the point & flawless.
>
> But, as i usually do: i have a little inquiry :::::
>
> Why, do the major chains/'stores' (Ambercomb&Fitch, and
> a few other - modest/upscale clothing outlets) use
> 'dance/electronic music?' * not as a novelity but as
> a selling point; and, on the bigger picture, why hasnt
> that set off a chain reaction to place dance back into
> the main stream, and not just using a somewhat worn out,
> yet catchy, song from '96 to promote six flags..???
>
> Riddle me that..
>
> ALso, read more!!!
> check out the post
> "Downloading music"
> MikeO did leave a good post,but it's nothing that we haven't brought up before, and it certainly wasn't the first post,he just planted it beneath the start up post, which was listed at2:03 PM;my original reply happened at 2:49 PM; after other posts had appeared, MikeO chimed in at 9:20PM, seven hours after the party started; i do agree with everything he said, but it certainly wasn't the first post, this board set up just allows you to pop in wherever you want to.
 
Re: Do most Dance fans .....

I love shopping at A&F - but i'm in there for maybe 15 minutes max. I hear music that that I don't even know. I doubt 15 minutes of exposure once a month or less is enough to make a movement. Now if all the clothing stores played dance music - that would be a nice start - but will never happen.

And the Venga Boys "We Like To Party" may be a catchy 90's mindless dance song, but all it did was make me run away from six flags when the commercial would come on. I think Radio Disney is the only station that still plays it. The Irony. I'm sure they tested the record though so someone must have liked it.

Get more dance music in movies, TV shows & Commercials. That will have more of an impact. But not Crazy Frog...please. That's just a black eye for dance. Straight up kiddie song.
 
uh - ok

I was answering midwestclubbers request. I didn't even read your post until later. Good to know we agree.
 
Re: Do most Dance fans .....

>
> And the Venga Boys "We Like To Party" may be a catchy 90's
> mindless dance song, but all it did was make me run away
> from six flags when the commercial would come on. I think
> Radio Disney is the only station that still plays it. The
> Irony. I'm sure they tested the record though so someone
> must have liked it.
>
> I actually still like it as a dance gold title. And as far as no one playing it, "the Beat", Sirius mainstream dance hits channel plays "We Like to Party" by the Vengaboys as a gold title. Anyway, as I said, I actually like some of those ultra sweet/corny euro dance tunes like "We Like to Party", "Barbie Girl", "Dragostea Din Tei", "Crazy Frog" etc. But then again, my favorite type of dance is the euro/vocal/trance stuff like Candee Jay, Ian Van Dahl, 4 Strings, Lasgo, Dj Sammy, etc. Give me that euro/trance and euro/prog. house over the boring American house stuff anyday.
 
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