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What station in Boston is going to bring back Tropical ( Spanish ) music to Boston . Its not going to be 101.7 because that owner of 101.7 is really stupid . He rather be in a war with 107.3 and 104.1 that he knows he just cant win .
 
> What station in Boston is going to bring back Tropical (
> Spanish ) music to Boston . Its not going to be 101.7
> because that owner of 101.7 is really stupid . He rather be
> in a war with 107.3 and 104.1 that he knows he just cant win
> .
>
I am fortunate that I can listen to this format on SATRAD,it is sad that there is not a major signal carrying this format in boston.
I wonder if no one in Boston wants to do it,maybe 100.3 Latina from R.I. can use a
translator and do it.most likely to many "ifs" for that scenario to occur.
100.3 signal is in its dying stage when it gets to me just south of Boston,as I travel south this format sounds very nice on F.M. and should be heard.
One would think FNX would get a ratings boost by switching to this format.
 
> > What station in Boston is going to bring back Tropical (
> > Spanish ) music to Boston . Its not going to be 101.7
> > because that owner of 101.7 is really stupid . He rather be
> > in a war with 107.3 and 104.1 that he knows he just cant win.
> >
>
> 100.3 signal is in its dying stage when it gets to me just
> south of Boston,as I travel south this format sounds very
> nice on F.M. and should be heard.
> One would think FNX would get a ratings boost by switching
> to this format.

This has been beaten to death many times over on this board.

Yes, FNX would get better ratings as Spanish. But no, Mindich will not flip them to Spanish, or to any other format than what he's doing now.

Mindich is not in a "war" with WAAF and WBCN. If he was, he would've realized he can't win and thrown in the towel long ago. He's simply doing his own thing. He apparently wants WFNX to reflect the "alternative" style of his weekly entertainment newspaper, The Phoenix, for co-promotion purposes. That seems to be the most important thing to him regarding WFNX.

As I've said before, it would be great to have Spanish served on FM here, but it won't be on WFNX.
 
> > One would think FNX would get a ratings boost by switching
>
> > to this format.
>
> This has been beaten to death many times over on this board.

THANK YOU! You beat me to the punch with that comment

> Mindich is not in a "war" with WAAF and WBCN. If he was, he
> would've realized he can't win and thrown in the towel long
> ago. He's simply doing his own thing. He apparently wants
> WFNX to reflect the "alternative" style of his weekly
> entertainment newspaper, The Phoenix, for co-promotion
> purposes. That seems to be the most important thing to him
> regarding WFNX.

Exactly. And it's always been this way, ever since day one when it flipped from the old WLYN-FM format.

>
> As I've said before, it would be great to have Spanish
> served on FM here, but it won't be on WFNX.
>

You'll all laugh because this sounds absurd, but if WODS' ratings dropps off the radar, 103.3 might be a nice place for Spanish... but Infinity doesn't do Spanish that I'm aware of.

Not advocating that, mind you... you guys know me, I support the few Oldies stations left - especially WODS with it's heritage staff. Just thought it might make for interesting conversation.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> You'll all laugh because this sounds absurd, but if WODS'
> ratings dropps off the radar, 103.3 might be a nice place
> for Spanish... but Infinity doesn't do Spanish that I'm
> aware of.

Infinity does Spanish in DC/Baltimore on 99.1 WLZL, and a few stations in other places such as Fresno, CA. I certainly would not want to see them do it here though.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by jlehmann on 08/30/05 04:30 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> > You'll all laugh because this sounds absurd, but if WODS'
> > ratings dropps off the radar, 103.3 might be a nice place
> > for Spanish... but Infinity doesn't do Spanish that I'm
> > aware of.
>
> Infinity does Spanish in DC/Baltimore on 99.1 WLZL, and a
> few stations in other places such as Fresno, CA. I certainly
> would not want to see them do it here though.
>

They started another one recently on WYUU 92.5 in Tampa.

Infinity doesn't program the stations themselves, that's done on the part of Spanish Broadcasting Systems (SBS); they run some well known Spanish stations like WSKQ-FM in New York, KLAX-FM in Los Angeles, and WXDJ in Miami. Infinity owns a part of SBS these days.

But wouldn't Hurban appeal to the Spanish masses in the Boston area more than a tropical format? That's just what I'm sensing with the current market conditions; programmed correctly, a Hurban could take quite a few shares from Jam'n. I'd still say that Infinity Jacks a station in Boston before going Spanish, though.
 
> You'll all laugh because this sounds absurd, but if WODS'
> ratings dropps off the radar, 103.3 might be a nice place
> for Spanish... but Infinity doesn't do Spanish that I'm
> aware of.
>
> Not advocating that, mind you... you guys know me, I support
> the few Oldies stations left - especially WODS with it's
> heritage staff. Just thought it might make for interesting
> conversation.

WODS's ratings are still quite good, comparatively better than most major market oldies stations in their respective markets, and they have a good placement in the Boston rankings overall. They even trended back up this past season, after a small decline the previous one.

It really does have an excellent talented heritage airstaff. As for music, well, for people who like a very limited, repetitive short playlist of upbeat pop hits of the mid 60's through the 70's (and a few beyond), it certainly fills the bill very well, and as much as we music and radio afficionados may be bored to tears because we've heard every song they play a million times, it does very well among the "silent majority" of mainstream listeners in their demographic who really want to hear the same familiar hits all the time.
 
> As for music, well, for people who like a very limited,
> repetitive short playlist of upbeat pop hits of the mid 60's
> through the 70's (and a few beyond), it certainly fills the
> bill very well, and as much as we music and radio
> afficionados may be bored to tears because we've heard every
> song they play a million times, it does very well among the
> "silent majority" of mainstream listeners in their
> demographic who really want to hear the same familiar hits
> all the time.
>


And this is a point that is continually missed by the deep playlist advocates. Few, if any of us who post on this board are representative of most radio listeners.
 
no "right thing" involved...

There is no "right" and "wrong" thing here. None. The owners
of the licenses can operate their stations under any format they choose.
It is not your call to make. This is COMMERCIAL radio. Commerce. Money.
He who puts up the money makes the rules. Get over it...
 
What about serving the community?

> There is no "right" and "wrong" thing here. None. The owners
>
> of the licenses can operate their stations under any format
> they choose.
> It is not your call to make. This is COMMERCIAL radio.
> Commerce. Money.
> He who puts up the money makes the rules. Get over it...

What about serving the community? Don't the Spanish speakers deserve some rights to hear news and music in their native language?
 
Re: What about serving the community?

> > There is no "right" and "wrong" thing here. None. The
> owners
> >
> > of the licenses can operate their stations under any
> format
> > they choose.
> > It is not your call to make. This is COMMERCIAL radio.
> > Commerce. Money.
> > He who puts up the money makes the rules. Get over it...
>
> What about serving the community? Don't the Spanish
> speakers deserve some rights to hear news and music in their
> native language?

Yes, but that does not outweigh the right of English speakers to hear alternative music on 101.7.<P ID="signature">______________
"Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?"</P>
 
Let see if we can get a 0.0 in the boston ratings

> > > There is no "right" and "wrong" thing here. None. The
> > owners
> > >
> > > of the licenses can operate their stations under any
> > format
> > > they choose.
> > > It is not your call to make. This is COMMERCIAL radio.
> > > Commerce. Money.
> > > He who puts up the money makes the rules. Get over it...
>
> >
> > What about serving the community? Don't the Spanish
> > speakers deserve some rights to hear news and music in
> their
> > native language?
>
> Yes, but that does not outweigh the right of English
> speakers to hear alternative music on 101.7.
>
With the low ratings of 101.7 , alternative rock heads are not listening to this station . <P ID="signature">______________
Jack Format is bad for radio .</P>
 
Re: What about serving the community?

>
> Yes, but that does not outweigh the right of English
> speakers to hear alternative music on 101.7.
>
I don't believe it is about "Rights"as much as it is about serving the local population.which is an N.A.B. propaganda theme I believe.
I would like English to be the official American language,but I don't want it to carry over into private enterprise,just Goverment stuff!
No one should confuse Radio and Immigration policies,Even though radio must react to them which means in the future in this market Indian,Chinese,Hatian and Eastern Eroupean needs must be dealt with.
I am quite fine with shutting the border and reducing legal immigration to under 300,000,but this is a different issue.
Right now in this market there is a gaping hole since the death of La Mega,Who will fill it?
I am a white guy and I like tropical music(native music is in a lackluster period right now)
If no one is willing or able to step up with a good signal to fill this gap then maybe the rules barring SATRAD from broadcasting local programing from their repeater should be lifted and one or both of them can partially fill the gap.
I rather listen to the River than FNX
Sorry if I got too political but I feel sometimes people take frustration about this countries immigration policies out on certain formats and they should not.
 
Re: What about serving the community?

> What about serving the community? Don't the Spanish
> speakers deserve some rights to hear news and music in their
> native language?

There are plenty of stations in the Boston area that broadcast in languages other than English. They just don't happen to be on FM as you would like. When you lay out millions of dollars of your own money to buy your own station, you are more than welcome to format YOUR station the way you would like. For the forseeable future, Spanish on FM in Boston is not likely to happen. The numbers just don't work right now. Maybe someday...
 
Re: What about serving the community?

> > > There is no "right" and "wrong" thing here. None. The owners
> > > of the licenses can operate their stations under any format
> > > they choose.
> > > It is not your call to make. This is COMMERCIAL radio.
> > > Commerce. Money.
> > > He who puts up the money makes the rules. Get over it...
>
> >
> > What about serving the community? Don't the Spanish
> > speakers deserve some rights to hear news and music in
> > their native language?
>
> Yes, but that does not outweigh the right of English
> speakers to hear alternative music on 101.7.

It's neither. BostonAreaRadioGuy's quote on top here is the bottom line.

This is commercial radio. It has nothing to do with any listeners "rights".
 
Re: Let see if we can get a 0.0 in the boston ratings

College students don't get Arbitron diaries.


> > > > There is no "right" and "wrong" thing here. None. The
> > > owners
> > > >
> > > > of the licenses can operate their stations under any
> > > format
> > > > they choose.
> > > > It is not your call to make. This is COMMERCIAL radio.
>
> > > > Commerce. Money.
> > > > He who puts up the money makes the rules. Get over
> it...
> >
> > >
> > > What about serving the community? Don't the Spanish
> > > speakers deserve some rights to hear news and music in
> > their
> > > native language?
> >
> > Yes, but that does not outweigh the right of English
> > speakers to hear alternative music on 101.7.
> >
> With the low ratings of 101.7 , alternative rock heads are
> not listening to this station .
>
 
Re: Let see if we can get a 0.0 in the boston ratings

> College students don't get Arbitron diaries.
>
>
> > > > > There is no "right" and "wrong" thing here. None.
> The
> > > > owners
> > > > >
> > > > > of the licenses can operate their stations under any
>
> > > > format
> > > > > they choose.
> > > > > It is not your call to make. This is COMMERCIAL
> radio.
> >
> > > > > Commerce. Money.
> > > > > He who puts up the money makes the rules. Get over
> > it...
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What about serving the community? Don't the Spanish
> > > > speakers deserve some rights to hear news and music in
>
> > > their
> > > > native language?
> > >
> > > Yes, but that does not outweigh the right of English
> > > speakers to hear alternative music on 101.7.
> > >
> > With the low ratings of 101.7 , alternative rock heads are
>
> > not listening to this station .
> >
>
College students dont spend there money like the people who live here . I owned a company and I will not place a ad this low rated station . Im in the biz to make money , not to lose money . If I owned 101.7 I will flip this station format to Spanish music . I will hire someone who knows the radio biz and knows Boston latin Neighborhood to run this station . The fisrt Spanish FM Station in Boston Area , No competition in Boston , 101.7 is a great signal in Latin area of the Boston market . A Win Win deal, but this will never happen . <P ID="signature">______________
Jack Format is bad for radio .</P>
 
Re: What about serving the community?

> > What about serving the community? Don't the Spanish
> > speakers deserve some rights to hear news and music in
> their
> > native language?
>
> There are plenty of stations in the Boston area that
> broadcast in languages other than English. They just don't
> happen to be on FM as you would like. When you lay out
> millions of dollars of your own money to buy your own
> station, you are more than welcome to format YOUR station
> the way you would like. For the forseeable future, Spanish
> on FM in Boston is not likely to happen. The numbers just
> don't work right now. Maybe someday...
>
Numbers are ok in Providence RI ? Boston ( Radio Owners ) need to get out of the stone age . Its a shame that Providence get a FM Hip Hop and R&B station ( Hot KiXX 106 ) before Boston and now Providence hae a FM spanish station before Boston and Boston has more people of color than Providence . <P ID="signature">______________
Jack Format is bad for radio .</P>
 
Re: Let see if we can get a 0.0 in the boston ratings

> If I owned 101.7 I will flip this station
> format to Spanish music

But Mr. Beal, you don't own WFNX. If you did own both WFNX and the Boston Phoenix, you'd likely realize that the two mediocre properties need to cross-promote in order to be even slightly successful. (unless you want to have the Phoenix compete against El Mundo, that is)

> The fisrt Spanish FM Station in Boston Area , No
> competition in Boston

Competition does exist, though. It's not as if your future listeners have the radio turned off right now. WJMN is definately getting most of the young Hispanic shares right now, and would certainly retaliate in some kind of way against a Hurban station on 101.7. If you went Spanish Tropical, you would have the genre and the language to yourself, though, as I believe you were proposing.

> 101.7 is a great signal in Latin
> area of the Boston market

Another issue with the Boston market is the locations of the Spanish-speaking population. You would need a signal that reaches from Lowell/Lawrence in the north, to Brockton in the south, to Framingham or even Worcester in the west. No signal other than a full-market signal would be able to cover all of these areas. In fact, 101.7 will have a worse signal in Brockton after the CP is built than it has now.

The signal of 101.7 isn't very good at all, but because the format would fill a niche, listeners would likely listen through the static as there would be little competition, and because it's ratings suck right now, are valid reasons that the stick could work for the format.

> A Win Win deal, but this will
> never happen

Right, it will never happen on 101.7. However, I believe that a Hurban on some kind of signal in the Boston area, preferably programmed by Univision, would be successful and give Jam'n a good run for their Hispanic shares, while at the same time providing a dedicated station for the Spanish language (or Spanglish, actually).
 
Re: What about serving the community?

>>Don't the Spanish deserve some rights ... ?

Since when did we "deserve" anything?
 
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