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Do you think it's possible to get CKWX Vancouver in Eastern Pennsylvania?

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SweetJumper

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Do you think it would be possible to get CKWX 1130 out of Vancouver or 1070 out of Los Angeles here in Eastern Pennsylvania?

On 1070 kHz whenever I point my radio towards L.A. I usually get a little bit of CHOK with WFNI Indianapolis mixed in.

On 1130, it's mostly WBBR when my radio's pointed towards Vancouver.
 
I'm surprised you don't get any splash over interference from KYW 1060. That's what made me not think I had a chance of hearing KNX way back when I was growing up in South Jersey.

All I can say is that I thought getting KNX here in Tampa was impossible but I found out it was because I didn't listen long enough.

I eventually heard it and the longer I listened after that, I heard it drift in more than I expected.

It only shows up for brief periods at a time, so you have to time it right.

Listen long enough and you should hear KNX.
 
Not saying it's impossible, but results in FL do not guarantee success in PA. Eastern PA is quite a bit farther from the west coast than Florida is. Where gar is on the Gulf coast of FL is as far west as western Ohio and at a more similar latitude to LA too. About the same distance from LA as Chicago is - and I can get KNX here with about the same reception characteristics as gar does.

Vancouver would be an awfully tough catch there in PA too, you would probably need quite a communication setup to pull anything in from there because of the distance and all of the other stations on that frequency. Having dxed quite a bit from Chester County, PA, I never got anything farther west than KOA. But I did get Columbia and Venezuela.
 
1070 is very hard. The only way you could copy it is hearing their famous traffic sounder.

1130 might be a little easier. You are in the right direction of CKWX, but it would be hard w/ WBBR in.

-crainbebo
 
BRNout said:
Not saying it's impossible, but results in FL do not guarantee success in PA. Eastern PA is quite a bit farther from the west coast than Florida is. Where gar is on the Gulf coast of FL is as far west as western Ohio and at a more similar latitude to LA too. About the same distance from LA as Chicago is - and I can get KNX here with about the same reception characteristics as gar does.

Good points, however I have gotten KFI in New Jersey. It was 32 years ago and a decent signal the short time it lasted. I'd say if KFI made it that far, KNX can too.
 
gar fla said:
BRNout said:
Not saying it's impossible, but results in FL do not guarantee success in PA. Eastern PA is quite a bit farther from the west coast than Florida is. Where gar is on the Gulf coast of FL is as far west as western Ohio and at a more similar latitude to LA too. About the same distance from LA as Chicago is - and I can get KNX here with about the same reception characteristics as gar does.

Good points, however I have gotten KFI in New Jersey. It was 32 years ago and a decent signal the short time it lasted. I'd say if KFI made it that far, KNX can too.

Well, if the band was as clear now as it was back then, my comment absolutely would be different. But the reality is that west coast reception from the east coast (particularly the northeast) is nary impossible right now with all of the noise and all of the other signals on the same channel. Heck, try as I might, I have yet to get KFI from anywhere here in the midwest. Other dxers from this region seem to share that experience.

As for 1130 from Vancouver, there are too many other signals on that frequency to make it a realistic catch from this part of the US. Not to mention that CKWX is directional at night and points most of their signal toward the west-northwest. Even if you could null out WBBR and not get anything from the 1130s from Detroit, Milwaukee and Minneapolis that fight it out - and the one from Shreveport that often inexplicably booms in here, there isn't much wattage coming this way from CKWX. Tough assignment.
 
BRNout said:
Not saying it's impossible, but results in FL do not guarantee success in PA. Eastern PA is quite a bit farther from the west coast than Florida is. Where gar is on the Gulf coast of FL is as far west as western Ohio and at a more similar latitude to LA too. About the same distance from LA as Chicago is - and I can get KNX here with about the same reception characteristics as gar does.

Vancouver would be an awfully tough catch there in PA too, you would probably need quite a communication setup to pull anything in from there because of the distance and all of the other stations on that frequency. Having dxed quite a bit from Chester County, PA, I never got anything farther west than KOA. But I did get Columbia and Venezuela.

I took gar fla's advice and I listened to 1070 longer than I usually do. I listened from 12:40 AM Eastern Time until 1:30 AM. Then I tuned back in around 2 until 2:30 AM. Then I tried again for a half hour later that night. I didn't hear KNX at all during any of those times. All I got was CHOK, WFNI, and I even got WNCT out of North Carolina (there was also some IBOC hash from KYW. The IBOC wasn't severe, but noticeable. Sometimes the hash would go away for a minute, then it returns).

I've never received any stations west of the Rocky Mountains. I haven't got anything farther west than CFAC and CHRB in the Calgary area and KOA.
 
BRNout said:
Well, if the band was as clear now as it was back then, my comment absolutely would be different. But the reality is that west coast reception from the east coast (particularly the northeast) is nary impossible right now with all of the noise and all of the other signals on the same channel. Heck, try as I might, I have yet to get KFI from anywhere here in the midwest. Other dxers from this region seem to share that experience.

I guess the point I'm making is that, even though the frequencies are more crowded now, that doesn't mean the signal from LA doesn't still make it that far.

Sweetjumper, I had to listen countless nights to 1070 here in Tampa before I ever heard KNX. I thought the frequency was too crowded for KNX to ever have a chance and I gave up until someone was talking about KNX here one time and I gave it another try.

But then one night, there it was. Weak but good enough to ID.



Remember also, we're getting more and more daylight now and that can reduce the chances too.
 
Here in VA I have not heard anything west of the Rockies either. I earlier thought I heard a station in CA; it turned out to be a NC station though I haven't heard any call letters. I just didn't spend enough time listening, I guess. So far, the farthest station I heard was KOA. In addition to nights getting shorter, the AM band may start become a bit noisier with lightning static crashes at night. CKWX was an easy catch at night when I was in OR, a place where there was little, if any, lightning noises.
 
I live in Mississippi and I've never been able to get anything farther west than KOA, so I'd guess it'd be even harder to get something west of the Rockies in Pennsylvania.

Speaking of 1070, can you hear WDIA Memphis in PA?
 
With the time change you might look for stations with clocks that don't make it to daylight savings time properly. Either switching an hour early or late.

I know of one big west coast 50 KW whose clock was, well, screwed up. They switched an hour lake tonight.

Not saying who.
 
the golden boy said:
I live in Mississippi and I've never been able to get anything farther west than KOA, so I'd guess it'd be even harder to get something west of the Rockies in Pennsylvania.

Speaking of 1070, can you hear WDIA Memphis in PA?

No. I've never heard WDIA in Pennsylvania. WDIA is directional and not much signal is sent toward PA. It would be interesting if I did get WDIA though.
 
ddsparxx said:
Here in VA I have not heard anything west of the Rockies either. I earlier thought I heard a station in CA; it turned out to be a NC station though I haven't heard any call letters. I just didn't spend enough time listening, I guess. So far, the farthest station I heard was KOA.

If you want to try for the nearest station west of the Rockies, KSL 1160 would be the best bet.

It's a semi regular here at more than 1800 miles.
 
Not much luck, but i'll keep trying. The mountains east of Salt Lake City seem to block some of the signal toward east, according to what I see on the Radio-Locator map.
 
ddsparxx said:
Not much luck, but i'll keep trying. The mountains east of Salt Lake City seem to block some of the signal toward east, according to what I see on the Radio-Locator map.

Nah, the mountains aren't really that much of an issue for KSL's skywave and, for that matter, less of an issue than you'd expect for their groundwave signal. Radio Locator simply extrapolates the daytime groundwave maps for a non-directional signal into their nighttime maps. Based on my experience, and that of others, KSL's skywave is impacted far more by other stations that have been licensed to operate at night on 1160 (like WJJD) than by the mountains. Other 1160's are located in NJ (WOBM); and Maryland-DC (WMET).

Despite WJJD's local-grade signal in my area, I have still been able to copy KSL from here and would imagine that they'd come in pretty well if WJJD were off the air.
 
I'm in Eastern PA too, Jumper. But back when there were fewer signals on the dial -- mid and late 60's -- and when the crew was DXing from about 150 miles east of here, near JFK Airport, we never heard any station from British Columbia.

Don't be discouraged by that, though.

WNEW 1130 hardly ever was off and it was an actual local to us. Once, when they were off, WDGY Minneapolis was there ... really faint. And some mornings on the car radio, technically within the Five Boroughs, WNEW would get chewed up by what was then WCAR Detroit. WCAR must already have been on their day pattern at that hour.

CKWX's daytime pattern appears to throw a substantial signal somewhat southeast. So the thought here is that your best shot at CKWX would be after sunset Mountain Time but before sunset Pacific Time. A WBBR fade would help, hi, but reception of CKWX is not out of the question. I've heard both WCBS 880 and WFAN 660 completely inaudible at times at sunset here, always on clear days locally. Ohio and South Carolina were there instead -- on the car radio, so you might want to reserve a spot on a clear day by you, too. What you'd also want to look for is a session when there's a low Auroral count, too.

WDFN Detroit 1130 completely overwhelmed WBBR one afternoon here on a table-model Zenith with just its own wound stock loop-wire antenna. So if WBBR can be 'had' by a station from the west, even though WBBR is a daytime regular here, why not look for something else?.

Btw: Where in Eastern PA are you? I may have asked that before but forgot; I'm not the insomniac DXer I once was. The den here is in scenic Metro Quakake, along I-81 between Hazleton and Pottsville.

73!
 
BRNout said:
Nah, the mountains aren't really that much of an issue for KSL's skywave and, for that matter, less of an issue than you'd expect for their groundwave signal. Radio Locator simply extrapolates the daytime groundwave maps for a non-directional signal into their nighttime maps. Based on my experience, and that of others, KSL's skywave is impacted far more by other stations that have been licensed to operate at night on 1160 (like WJJD) than by the mountains. Other 1160's are located in NJ (WOBM); and Maryland-DC (WMET).

Despite WJJD's local-grade signal in my area, I have still been able to copy KSL from here and would imagine that they'd come in pretty well if WJJD were off the air.

I've heard WOBM and WYLL early this morning, and a couple of other 1160s that I haven't ID this morning. I don't think I heard WMET which is 32 miles away from my home due to being quite directional at night.
 
Steve Green NEPA said:
Btw: Where in Eastern PA are you? I may have asked that before but forgot; I'm not the insomniac DXer I once was. The den here is in scenic Metro Quakake, along I-81 between Hazleton and Pottsville.

73!

I am near York, PA, which is about 2 hours west of Philly.
 
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