• Get involved.
    We want your input!
    Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.

    After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
    If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.

    After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
    https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/

    Thanks in advance and have fun!
    RadioDiscussions Administrators

Do you think KTLA has too much news?

They can reschedule to afternoon probably before 5pm much like ABC occassionally does with This Week in event of ESPN coverage.

Actually, they normally carry "The Hill" in the afternoon, so the golf coverage did pre-empt it. I'm thinking that if KTLA was to carry any NewsNation weekend programs, they would be aired in the afternoon as well.
 
I think KTLA is on to something, actually. Linear television was 100% live when it first began and will be 100% live again in the end. Because to modern audiences spoiled by ubiquitous VOD streaming, continuing to watch prerecorded programming "on the broadcaster's schedule" -- and subject to those broadcasters' onslaughts of unskippable commercials -- is unthinkable. The simple fact is, non-live linear television is doomed. It's an anachronism that only still exists in 2024 because of the incredible inertia TV is still coasting on from its powerhouse days. By 2030, I suspect that not only most cable networks, but most local terrestrial stations will have gone dark, the latter's news operations spun off into stand-alone, 24/7 live OTT newscasting operations reminiscent of jettisoned lifeboats destined to outlive their sunken motherships.

And even those jettisoned lifeboats won't all survive. Many will probably be forced to merge as most markets will only support two or three profitable 24/7 live operations concurrently. The heavy headline repetition in today's multi-hour newscasts would also be insufferable once those newscasts went 24/7, so another inevitable change would be their re-formatting themselves to include hyper-locally focused "All Things Considered"-style live interviews, analyses, commentaries, and featurettes. For the traditional headlines portions of each hour, "no deja vu" policies would need to be put in place, where every story was continuously re-produced many times throughout the day, constantly being re-cut with up-to-the-minute narration and footage to make sure that no two consecutive hours' headlines ever looked or sounded the same.

I believe this is the only way live local TV news will survive once the linear stations now hosting it go bust. In fact, with so many local newspapers teetering thanks to the boomer generation's slow replacement by video-oriented, MTV-weaned gen X'ers, I also suspect that many of these future, 24/7 live local news lifeboats will hire away their towns' collapsing local papers' writing and editorial staffs. They will install them into their own newsrooms as the engines that power all the aforementioned hourly headline [re-]production and "All Things Considered" content making busywork. The past decade's cost-cutting in local TV news has rendered today's newsrooms too understaffed (and too underwhelming in the "heavyweight journalism" department) to produce 24 hours of frequently-refreshed, high quality content. Once everyone is in 24/7 stand-alone lifeboat mode, salvaging the journalism staffs from their towns' failing papers -- or just giving them side-hustles -- would probably represent the quickest, most turnkey method of bolstering their product quality back up "local news glory days" levels, where you had dedicated investigative journalists, human interest storyseekers, researchers, people hitting the streets and scouring all the local scenes for undiscovered material, etc.

Maybe I'm completely wrong here. But my gut says, by the next decade, Los Angeles will officially see the birth of something like "The KTLA Times" -- a video newspaper formed from the remnants of KTLA-TV and The Los Angeles Times, doing 24 paperless video editions per day to a primarily over-the-top, IPTV audience watching on mobile devices and smart TVs. Hopefully, they will still publish written stories on the web, for those of us whose preference will always be reading.
 
Last edited:
Yeoldeschool: Thank you for such a well written and thought out post. We are seeing some glimmers of being one thing 24/7 with non-broadcast channels running s single TV series almost 24/7. In my mind that is a cost-savings that is designed to reach those fans of a certain program. If the cash was there for a full line-up, I feel confident these networks would strive to do so. I sense this is simply survival mode for such networks. I wouldn't be surprised to see radio stations (some) opting for a repeating cycle of their morning show throughout the day at some point in the future.
 
I think KTLA is on to something, actually. Linear television was 100% live when it first began and will be 100% live again in the end. Because to modern audiences spoiled by ubiquitous VOD streaming, continuing to watch prerecorded programming "on the broadcaster's schedule" -- and subject to those broadcasters' onslaughts of unskippable commercials -- is unthinkable.

The problem with your view is the alternative is endless monthly streaming bills that continue to increase in price. Somebody has to pay, either with commercials or subscription fees. If, as you say, the linear stations all go bust, who then will pay for all the content? The cost-cutting in local news is because those unskippable commercials aren't enough to pay for all the reporters and journalists. How do you fix that part of the equation?
 
The problem with your view is the alternative is endless monthly streaming bills that continue to increase in price. Somebody has to pay, either with commercials or subscription fees. If, as you say, the linear stations all go bust, who then will pay for all the content? The cost-cutting in local news is because those unskippable commercials aren't enough to pay for all the reporters and journalists. How do you fix that part of the equation?
Antennas are still cheap but Nexstar is barely into FAST since they only offer 4 CW stations in NYC, LA, Chicago and the Bay Area on smart tvs, streaming boxes, and fast channels. Also local ratings might be part of a factor so it depends on the linear and streaming demand.
 
Interesting thoughts, yeoldschool. As with so many interesting proposals, the big question is still the bottom line: the kind of programming you're talking about takes a LOT of people and people cost money, especially the kind of people with the experience and skill to produce content at the quality level that will keep viewers engaged.

In most cities, I think you'll find the newspaper newsroom has been hollowed out so badly that there aren't anywhere near enough journalists to pull over to a 24/7 TV operation. Our Gannett paper here in Rochester once had close to 100 people doing news. Now that number is under 20. And then there's the matter of retraining veteran print journalists to do TV. I've done both. They're very different skill sets.

I also think it's unrealistic to expect a full 24/7 slate of original content these days. All news radio and TV has always worked on a repeat cycle. Even All Things Considered - it does two original hours and then re-rolls for western time zones, with the ability to move stories around and add new content if needed.
 
Interesting thoughts, yeoldschool. As with so many interesting proposals, the big question is still the bottom line: the kind of programming you're talking about takes a LOT of people and people cost money, especially the kind of people with the experience and skill to produce content at the quality level that will keep viewers engaged.

In most cities, I think you'll find the newspaper newsroom has been hollowed out so badly that there aren't anywhere near enough journalists to pull over to a 24/7 TV operation. Our Gannett paper here in Rochester once had close to 100 people doing news. Now that number is under 20. And then there's the matter of retraining veteran print journalists to do TV. I've done both. They're very different skill sets.

I also think it's unrealistic to expect a full 24/7 slate of original content these days. All news radio and TV has always worked on a repeat cycle. Even All Things Considered - it does two original hours and then re-rolls for western time zones, with the ability to move stories around and add new content if needed.
Big tech streamers are yet to disrupt the live news production after we seen it trickling into sports. The fear is when the local tv stations will face big tech disruption using the playbook from entertainment and sports production that is already disrupted.
 
The problem with your view is the alternative is endless monthly streaming bills that continue to increase in price. Somebody has to pay, either with commercials or subscription fees. If, as you say, the linear stations all go bust, who then will pay for all the content? The cost-cutting in local news is because those unskippable commercials aren't enough to pay for all the reporters and journalists. How do you fix that part of the equation?
Invest in digital and have reporters do podcasts once a week along with doing stories. Or use conversational podcasts instead of 1:30 “packages”. find new ways to tell the story. I’ve been doing that for the last year and it’s been a cash cow
 
Invest in digital and have reporters do podcasts once a week along with doing stories. Or use conversational podcasts instead of 1:30 “packages”. find new ways to tell the story. I’ve been doing that for the last year and it’s been a cash cow
Well u might to rethink recording one.


 
Will KTLA attempt to air more news in weekends as well in addition to what they already have? Similar to what they do weekdays.
Unless it's sports-related, local advertisers don't like to buy ads specifically on the weekends. Local news is mostly sold to local advertisers.
 
Unless it's sports-related, local advertisers don't like to buy ads specifically on the weekends. Local news is mostly sold to local advertisers.
In fact, more than a few agency buys say "no news or talk".
 
All local news on linear tv could be an interesting lifesaver for a tv station. Like all news radio there would be frequent repeats, and there could be repackaged news features. Local news is one of the few things you can’t get from the streamers (except possibly local affiliate newscasts on Paramount Plus, Peacick and Hulu)
 
In fact, more than a few agency buys say "no news or talk".
But that's due to the partisan nature of national news/talk programming. A local station filling its schedule from early morning to late afternoon with house fires, car crashes and the occasional feel-good feature isn't being partisan. What would the agencies' objection be to programming like that, other than their clients' revulsion over the number of "useless" older viewers such programming attracts?
 
And nobody programs a TV station for "all day viewing". TV viewing is based on programs, not "channels".

I think making a TV station's image that of "news when you want it... news when you need it" is a great way to get people to come to you first for news.

And advertisers like the environment.
David you'll love this! Way back in the day when XETV used to sign on at around 6 in the morning. They began their broadcast day ID and greeting something like this: Good Morning, you're watching XETV Channel 6. XETV, the International Station is located high atop Mt San Antonio in Baja California, overlooking San Diego and Tijuana..."We invite you to stay tuned ALL DAY to XETV, for the finest in television viewing!"

I'm guessing they figured some folks, even back then, used TV like people do with radio. They just turn it on to fill in the background.
 
Big cities like LA, NYC, Chi, etc can air news 24/7 but small & midsize TV markets not so much. I can say for a fact that West Michigan news all day long wouldn't work in my opinion as nothing ever really happens in West Michigan why Wood TV & WXMI FOX17 are the only TV stations to air 4PM newscast WZZM & WWMT air repeats of Judge Judy on WZZM & Dr. Phil on WWMT. Wood TV is the only station to air a newscast at 7PM Fox17 tried a pay-for-play show that was a flop along with the Newsfeed now they air Scripps News.
 
Big cities like LA, NYC, Chi, etc can air news 24/7 but small & midsize TV markets not so much. I can say for a fact that West Michigan news all day long wouldn't work in my opinion as nothing ever really happens in West Michigan why Wood TV & WXMI FOX17 are the only TV stations to air 4PM newscast WZZM & WWMT air repeats of Judge Judy on WZZM & Dr. Phil on WWMT. Wood TV is the only station to air a newscast at 7PM Fox17 tried a pay-for-play show that was a flop along with the Newsfeed now they air Scripps News.

Michigan? Rather off-topic for the Los Angeles television board.
 
I was just giving an example of why Big cities can air news 24/7 and midsize markets like West Michigan is all, and can't air news 24/7.

I see. Perhaps if you had included that explanation in the first place?
 
Status
This thread has been closed due to inactivity. You can create a new thread to discuss this topic.


Back
Top Bottom