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Does anyone even listen to radio anymore?

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words2you

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It all sounds like a bunch of noise to me. Poor production and processing, no personality. It sounds like morale is low at these radio stations when one listens to them. It appears that radio is going the way of newspapers, obsolete? I just returned from overseas for about 6-months and radio in Indy sounds worse that it did before I left. Just wondering which radio station will go silent first? People under 30 don't listen to it at all, I still listen to WIBC on occasion while driving. Told my marketing people not to buy anymore radio and concentrate more on other channels.
 
Not as strongly, but I guess I was saying the same thing 35 years ago.

Hmmmmm.

Survey companies come back and report that people are listening to radio.

Hmmmmmm.

Advertisers, at least some of them, put ads on the radio and get results.

Hmmmmm.

I have a problem. As I get older I get a bit more picky about what I listen to. I'm not glued to my radio like I once was.

So, unless you have found the fountain of youth.... I have to tell you that the feeling you have can get worse and worse and worse.

But then again... the survey people are reporting that the radio audience is getting too old. Advertisers don't pay for OLD listeners.

Hmmmmmm.
 
GRC, you been takin' your 'Edwardo' pills again? I'm a-gittin' tired of bein' called O-L-D!!!

That said, I can attest from personal experience that under-30's DO listen to the radio. At least when they're not listening to their iPod's or talkin' on their cell phones. Three of my five kids (33, 30, 22, 20 and 19 years of age) are regular radio listeners. Only two (22 male and 19 female) don't listen in measurable amounts. Wifey (49) listens to one format only as do I (64) to another format.

Given the choice between my mp3 player with tons of my favorite songs and a radio station playing something along the lines of my favs and with an interesting DJ to break up the music I will go for radio every time.

I'll also submit none of my kids have anywhere the disposable income I have. So all you advertisers wasting your money trying to sell new cars and various forms of services to my kids - you're SOL. You better realize I am the only listener with money to spend whether it be in a new sports car or perhaps the surgery necessary to fix the knees so I can get into that sports car.
 
Survey companies come back and report that people are listening to radio.

Hmmmmmm.

Advertisers, at least some of them, put ads on the radio and get results.

Advertisers don't pay for OLD listeners.

Hmmmmmm.
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hey, when you get over 50, do the world a favor, DIE, you don't deserve to see a move over 5 years old, or music you enjoy! its a YOUNG world! go away leave us alone, its our world now!! You're an age BIGOT! if advertisers don't pay for "older listeners" there would not be Talk-Radio-CNN-FOX, and if it were not for older listeners or viewers Public TV couldn't raise a dime. and keep this in mind, THE COUNTRY's DEMOS ARE GETTING OLDER!! and so, are YOU.
 
What we have here is a "CAT-scan Cross Section of Americana".

There discussion boards are populated and Pollinated by people who (1) work in radio (2) used to work in radio (3) are radio listeners, fans and enthusiasts. When you see that we can't carry on an intelligent conversation with each other without drawing the long-knives out of their scabbards, you can understand why some days we focus our aural-binoculars on radio and all we can see is confusion, disarray and stupidity.

We have met the enemy, and he is us. (Pogo)

Does anybody listen to radio any more? We who grew up in the Golden Age(s) of radio are infected and can't quit. Some surveys and some ad agencies indicate and/or confirm that the real listeners are OLD! For those who are upset by this, what are you going to do? Start a euthanasia movement?

A log of people claims that young people (under 30?) are not listeners of radio. If you go over in another website where broadcast engineers and their grandfathers gather to talk technical, they all report that their offspring ARE NOT radio listeners. And yet...... the audience surveys indicate there are youngsters listening to the radio. And the Ad Agencies feel they can only justify buying signals that are proven to reach young people, those who are not yet set in their buying habits.... those who have not yet outgrown youthful gullibility thus you can run huckster copy and lure them into your big-box retail wallet trap.

Market-savvy broadcasters go after the young audience even if the audience is somewhat lacking in cash and buying power.... the ad agencies still buy them. Reality-savvy broadcasters who know the buying power of the mature audience are too impotent to figure out how to market their audience and bring redemption to the ad agencies.

So. cspotrun. When you wake-up, sober-up, and your vocabulary genes light-up.... let's talk about it.

What do you listen to on the radio? Are you happy with it? Do you ever quote what you hear on the radio to your friends.... or are you willing to have it known that you listen to radio?
 
Could radio be done better - sure. Did we hold out hope that the independent in the market would make some noise - sure. Did he - NOPE - sounds like all the other cookie cutter corporates.

But this question of whether people listen to radio anymore is tiring. YES. Unless arbitron is making it all up. (yes, I know they have no clue either), but everyone you know listens to the radio and as much as people try to prove otherwise, it's still the best value for advertising because people DO listen to radio - and they listen A LOT!

We may complain about the idiots involved, but the average joe has a selection of stations he likes and will continue listening.
 
What do you listen to on the radio? Are you happy with it? Do you ever quote what you hear on the radio to your friends.... or are you willing to have it known that you listen to radio?


to answer your question yes, i listen to radio, am i happy with everything? no, but there are several choices.
words2you said:
cspotrun said:
hey, when you get over 50, do the world a favor, DIE, you don't deserve to see a move over 5 years old, or music you enjoy! its a YOUNG world! go away leave us alone, its our world now!! You're an age BIGOT! if advertisers don't pay for "older listeners" there would not be Talk-Radio-CNN-FOX, and if it were not for older listeners or viewers Public TV couldn't raise a dime. and keep this in mind, THE COUNTRY's DEMOS ARE GETTING OLDER!! and so, are YOU.

Thanks for posting, it is always good to see what our public schools have turned out. Certainly wish I could understand what your talking about though?
i am of course being, ridiculous to point out how ridiculous it is to dismiss people who actually HAVE money to spend, and do. why would anyone want to turn away money from this demographic? and the figures indicate that YES America is getting older, even YOU! unless you've found a way to stop time.
it would be ridiculous to market new cars, homes, yachts to a 16 year old, or zit cream to a 50 year old, we can all agree on that. there is room for everyone in the radio ad world.
 
Agree richmcdonald, it is evident that in the product life cycle radio is in its maturity phase and dieing. In order to survive it will need to reinvent itself and start all over again. My company has spent substantial amounts on radio in the past and have enjoyed good relations with some of the radio stations in Indianapolis. It seems to me that your a little arrogant and presumptiive to think you could do something for us that we have not already implemented. Getting leads for my sales people is my biggest expense and we strive for ways in acting or producing effectively with a minimum of waste, expense, or unnecessary effort. It is as onerous and challenging as it sounds, it is and should be the impetus of not only our company but all business too.

Thanks you for your information and I also appreciate how candid you are. It appears you have a great deal of expertise that we can all learn from about marketing. It is understandable how you feel frustrated and limited in your efforts. That said, it has been my experience that most companies have forgotten the basics, that is keeping and creating customers. It is amazing how busy we can get and not really accomplish anything. Today, an employee who is not keeping customers or creating them will be out of a job soon, the company cant afford to have them around.

What I have found is the majority of people who work in radio have forgotten, ignored or ignorant of the basics of sales. Most people who sell think that marketing is advertising. For the most part they are order takers and I can understand how you have become embittered by that. It can be exasperating dealing with a novice when your a veteran. My offer was not to defend radio, it isn't for everyone. Having bought and sold a lot of radio advertising I can attest that it is difficult if not impossible to track. We offer cutting edge and cost effective systems that get results. Little time and much to go over. E-mail me [email protected] and would be delighted to discuss this further.
 
richmcdonald said:
Agree richmcdonald, it is evident that in the product life cycle radio is in its maturity phase and dieing. In order to survive it will need to reinvent itself and start all over again. My company has spent substantial amounts on radio in the past and have enjoyed good relations with some of the radio stations in Indianapolis. It seems to me that your a little arrogant and presumptiive to think you could do something for us that we have not already implemented. Getting leads for my sales people is my biggest expense and we strive for ways in acting or producing effectively with a minimum of waste, expense, or unnecessary effort. It is as onerous and challenging as it sounds, it is and should be the impetus of not only our company but all business too.

Thanks you for your information and I also appreciate how candid you are. It appears you have a great deal of expertise that we can all learn from about marketing. It is understandable how you feel frustrated and limited in your efforts. That said, it has been my experience that most companies have forgotten the basics, that is keeping and creating customers. It is amazing how busy we can get and not really accomplish anything. Today, an employee who is not keeping customers or creating them will be out of a job soon, the company cant afford to have them around.

What I have found is the majority of people who work in radio have forgotten, ignored or ignorant of the basics of sales. Most people who sell think that marketing is advertising. For the most part they are order takers and I can understand how you have become embittered by that. It can be exasperating dealing with a novice when your a veteran. My offer was not to defend radio, it isn't for everyone. Having bought and sold a lot of radio advertising I can attest that it is difficult if not impossible to track. We offer cutting edge and cost effective systems that get results. Little time and much to go over. E-mail me [email protected] and would be delighted to discuss this further.
Wow. Speaking of sales pitches - got yours in there didn't you...
 
radioho said:
Wow. Speaking of sales pitches - got yours in there didn't you...

lol radioho, when leads for new biz is getting tough to come by, you go for what you can get where ever you can get it. What was the old song that said when your trying to make a living their aint no such thing as pride? ahahah Since I am fairly sure that I know many of the people who post on this board and read it. Begging comes much easier..lol
 
words2you said:
Agree richmcdonald, it is evident that in the product life cycle radio is in its maturity phase and dieing.

Radio is supposed to turn itself upside-down based on the criticism of a guy who doesn't know how to spell "dying"?

-- and, no, it wasn't a typo. You didn't hit "F" when you meant to hit "G."

The board even has a spell-check that would have caught it.

If you can't spell a simple word, how are we expected to take you seriously?

And don't claim that, since this is just an Internet chat board, it doesn't matter. We're talking about the communication business; it absolutely does matter. If you're sending out marketing stuff with such irresponsible, third-grade errors, no wonder your business is suffering.

In fact, I don't even think you have a business; I think you're just Mid West Clubber [notice he misspells "Midwest"] under a different screen name.
 
I believe that many people "hear" radio, still ... but a lot less are actively "listening" to radio. There is some bad radio out there in small markets and medium, especially. Unprofessional, sloppy, "disconnected" radio from the "masses."

In fact, I think that's part of the problem: Some people are so disconnected from radio as we "knew" it, that so many have a difficulty relating to it because, now, they can hit more than the preset buttons. Now they can "listen" to what they REALLY want to "hear" programmed by themselves on iPods, CDs, Internet, satellite, etc.

We, as broadcasters, have disconnected from the "listeners" in too many cases. We "ignore" the older demos -- fully well knowing that they are, in fact, the money holders, if not the money "spenders" because they have grown to be less product loyal and harder to "chase" in making a change ... so, it becomes a harde proposition to effect "change" ... so, we drop them like a bad habit.

Younger demos are growing up "AM-less" because they don't like mainstream talk, like "shock talk" that mainstream advertisers in large part ignore due to "controversies." Usually, young people tend to stand against the "corporatization" of "local" radio ... and it's 399 song libraries, and "DJ's" who aren't as compelling and creative as others in the past.

Listeners to radio also know that there is a problem within. We're firing what talent we have, and not liking the "farm system" of replacements we haven't planned for to bring up. So, we, as broadcasters, blame "the economy" for budget cuts, talent has gotten bitter because of the insecurities of keeping a job in this environment and we've refused to "keep up" with the technology of what people, in general -- young to old -- are using to "keep connected."

Streaming an AM or FM signal that, today, doesn't penetrate buildings, is faced with an increasing over crowdedness and bland corporate mantra on programming, as well as our inabilities to promote ourselves to our communities in too many cases means that we have allowed too many choices, too many "toys", too much "complacency" and much too little "creativity" to actively bring the consumer listener back to the habit that once was ... that of truly "listening" rather than just merely "hearing" radio today.

When you have talk show hosts in Detroit telling jokes about possibly dead teammates on a pro team lost at sea, and thinking that's funny ... and apologizing for it as "the most reprehensible thing I've ever done in my career ... " because they weren't thinking, is cause for pause. There's a lot of that kind of "creativity" going on ... and, yes, it does have an audience.

Unfortunately.

And it happens more and more.

No wonder stations are having a tough time making a dime not only in profit, but in paying for the stable of talent that they have. We've forgotten what creativity and talent is in too many instances ... not all ... but a lot.

And for that, we now have broadcasters selling stock for "non-believers" at $.07 a share (Citadel), a satellite company that had to be saved at the last minute, over-homgenized music formats, mainstream talk mantras that are repetitive every day and a forgetting of just who is is we are programming to in markets of all sizes.

Yes, we have met the enemy. It is us.

We think, but don't know, that maybe, in many cases, we're not as good as we thought we were

The listeners, then, tend to hear ... but not really listen in far too many cases.

This must change ... and soon. We must better train, evaluate and let those who know their community base inside and out, young and old, get back to providing the service of radio ... with the backing of management and ownership who need to make more than a dime to survive.
 
TheColdHardTruth said:
words2you said:
Agree richmcdonald, it is evident that in the product life cycle radio is in its maturity phase and dieing.

Radio is supposed to turn itself upside-down based on the criticism of a guy who doesn't know how to spell "dying"?

-- and, no, it wasn't a typo. You didn't hit "F" when you meant to hit "G."

The board even has a spell-check that would have caught it.

If you can't spell a simple word, how are we expected to take you seriously?

And don't claim that, since this is just an Internet chat board, it doesn't matter. We're talking about the communication business; it absolutely does matter. If you're sending out marketing stuff with such irresponsible, third-grade errors, no wonder your business is suffering.

In fact, I don't even think you have a business; I think you're just Mid West Clubber [notice he misspells "Midwest"] under a different screen name.

All hail the self-imposed forum board grammar instructor.

Now let's use the word in a sentence ...

"Don't you have a radio station with DYING ratings to tend to?"
 
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