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Does anyone have anything positive to say...

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indianaboy

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...about Artistic Media Partners? And no, cricket chirps don't count as answers. :)

I've never worked for them, but from what I've read here and heard from others in the business...I dunno.

Just a young pro fishing for answers.
 
Don't even bother kid. That company's a joke... you don't want to work for them. As bad as people talk about Clear Channel, I'd much rather work for them. At least they spend money to keep their stations running and sounding great, they can stick with a format for longer than six months and they offer actual benefits.

> ...about Artistic Media Partners? And no, cricket chirps
> don't count as answers. :)
>
> I've never worked for them, but from what I've read here and
> heard from others in the business...I dunno.
>
> Just a young pro fishing for answers.
>
 
i second the previous post.

no one (with talent) stays longer than 6 months....unless that is what you are looking for....

as soon as you take whatever station up....Art will cut it down....
 
> i second the previous post.

There ARE formats that can make money or show balance sheet potential instantly. I've never worked for AMP however I see them more as business people who own radio stations. Not broadcasters who create an image, a product, reap listenership, and earn revenue.

AS
 
> > i second the previous post.
>
> There ARE formats that can make money or show balance sheet
> potential instantly. I've never worked for AMP however I
> see them more as business people who own radio stations.
> Not broadcasters who create an image, a product, reap
> listenership, and earn revenue.

DING! We have a winner. Finally, someone realizes what they're all about.
 
Left WAZY just before Art bought the place. Z96 was still at the top of their game. The long slow decline began soon after. I found myself back there around the turn of the century. They spent some money on nice new studios during the 6 months I was there, but they treated the airstaff like crap. Most were paid hourly and forced to "fudge" their timesheets if they went over 40 hours. And no one at the local level really has control over programming. They might be allowed to THINK they have control. Whatever works I guess.

However, I will say that Bob Ford was just about the best GM I ever had the pleasure of working for. If I ever have to work for AMP again, I can only hope it would be under Bobs supervision.<P ID="signature">______________
We learned more from a 3-minute record than we ever learned in school.</P>
 
> > > i second the previous post.
> >
> > There ARE formats that can make money or show balance
> sheet
> > potential instantly. I've never worked for AMP however I
> > see them more as business people who own radio stations.
> > Not broadcasters who create an image, a product, reap
> > listenership, and earn revenue.
>
> DING! We have a winner. Finally, someone realizes what
> they're all about.
>

If you are using the fact that AMP (or any other company) is not a good place to work solely on the basis of the fact that you perceive them to be "business people"... I must respectfully disagree.

I am cetainly no genius, and by all means definitely NOT an expert on AMP, but there is a legitimate BUSINESS reason to "create an image, a product, reap listenership, and earn revenue." This is the basic business equation of radio, whether you are a company full of "broadcasters", or a company full of "business people".

Formats are indeed a BUSINESS decision... unless you work in a university setting on a public radio station... which is a whole other can of worms.

Given the ever-changing radio landscape, when it comes to the ultimate survival of a station or a broadcasting company... my money is on the business types!!!!
 
Re: IndianaBoy

You left out where you are in your career. If you are just starting out, jump at the opportunity to grab ANY work. It's always better to have some experience and call letters on a resume than a blank page.

If you have a decent gig right now, I would consider other options.

With almost 30 years of radio under my belt, I could write a book but I don't think anyone would believe half of the &h:t I've been through.
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> ...about Artistic Media Partners? And no, cricket chirps
> don't count as answers. :)
>
> I've never worked for them, but from what I've read here and
> heard from others in the business...I dunno.
>
> Just a young pro fishing for answers.
>
Many of us here at AMP read this board as a form of entertainment and chuckle at the accusations, suppositions, speculation and downright hateful comments directed toward AMP, and, in some unprofessional and uncalled-for instances, toward AMP employees. Few, if any, current employees actually take the time to respond. It would be prudent for indianaboy to notice that these comments are coming from individuals who have never worked for AMP or who no longer work for AMP, for whatever reason. The comments that you have read are, for the most part, misinformed and biased, again, for whatever reason. Therefore, take their comments with a grain of salt and laugh along with us.

“Just a young pro looking for answers.” Good for you. Too many in this biz think they know it all. Here are some things to look for when you decide to advance your career (or someone decides to advance it for you—it is radio, after all!). Look for a financially sound company. Look for an owner who is active and involved. Look for clean, modern facilities and equipment. Look for an organization where you can learn, grow, and become vital. Look for a paycheck that is competitive and compensatory to responsibility level. Look for an on-air staff whose egos aren’t larger than their talent. Look for loyal employees who have the company’s best interest in mind. Look for a core management team with longevity, dedication, and flexibility. Look for a group of intelligent, talented, conscientious broadcast professionals.

To answer your post…I’ve just described AMP. I’ve been here 7 years, and I would know. I’ll be accused of brown-nosing, but what would be my motivation? I don’t have to. Is AMP perfect? No way. Show me a company that is. Has AMP done some crazy things? Absolutely. And you know what? We’ll do some more! Makes coming to work very interesting. Many of my peers have been with AMP longer than me—some here in Lafayette, some in other markets. If AMP were the horrible place it’s been made out to be, trust me, we wouldn’t be sticking around just to collect a paycheck.

Good luck, indianaboy. Work hard, don’t grumble, do what you’re told, and don’t throw in the towel when you can’t have your way. Flexibility, loyalty, hard work, and even just a little talent will get you a long way. Please don’t let yourself become bitter and hateful. Life is way too short.

No fake names to hide behind, on the radio or on this board.
Mike Warner
 
>
> Given the ever-changing radio landscape, when it comes to
> the ultimate survival of a station or a broadcasting
> company... my money is on the business types!!!!
>

There's nothing wrong with being a "business type" and having control over a radio station. But, it's a pretty broad term... business people exist with all sorts of different philosophies... not only in radio, but in any business. Where some philosophies might work in one type of business, they may fail in others. Whatever business philosophy AMP is applying to radio, it isn't working well. I'm not going to say they don't belong in the radio business... (though someone else might... lol) where I've seen them come up with some pretty good moves, a lot of those have wound up being executed poorly.
 
Re: IndianaBoy

Sorry about that...I'm actually only a year full-time into radio. I've got a gig right now in Indiana...don't want to specify too much.

You're right, though. It's always good to have experience on a resume. Oh, and even though I'm fairly inexperienced, I believe you've experienced some...things. :)

> You left out where you are in your career. If you are just
> starting out, jump at the opportunity to grab ANY work.
> It's always better to have some experience and call letters
> on a resume than a blank page.
>
> If you have a decent gig right now, I would consider other
> options.
>
> With almost 30 years of radio under my belt, I could write a
> book but I don't think anyone would believe half of the &h:t
> I've been through.
>
 
Different experiencs for different people

> Look for a financially sound company. Look for an
> owner who is active and involved. Look for clean, modern
> facilities and equipment. Look for an organization where
> you can learn, grow, and become vital. Look for a paycheck
> that is competitive and compensatory to responsibility
> level. Look for an on-air staff whose egos aren’t larger
> than their talent. Look for loyal employees who have the
> company’s best interest in mind. Look for a core management
> team with longevity, dedication, and flexibility. Look for
> a group of intelligent, talented, conscientious broadcast
> professionals.

Then realize that this pipe dream doesn't exist in radio and choose your next career.

Seriously, if this was posted in a employment ad, potential applicants would be wary of what was in the water. That's not a knock on AMP, per se, but the reality of the radio industry.

My professional experience in radio started in the same building on S. 18th St. as my experience later started with University Broadcasting - the same building the now AMP (formerly UBC) runs 4 stations. If nothing else AMP should win an award for most stations per sq/ft. I thought WAZY was tight with 2 stations (can't imagine four in that building), but they had more in less space in South Bend when I ran into Art up there a couple years ago. I think they have exhaled into some additional space up there since.

While your experience maybe rosey with AMP, myself and several other of my friends/co-workers (me much less than the others) were screwed over by the owner - in some cases, heartlessly. I can attest to the slow spin from book leader to not. If nothing else, I should be thankful that the experience put me in a much better frame of mind to change to a career that is much more stable and family-friendly.

Not sure how much it has changed, but Art was very generous with salaries for a couple select positions/people, but many others were much less fortunate, though with no less expectation.

Historically, UBC started as part of an venture capital/investment company. They way overpaid for the Bloomington station and for the rights to Purdue Sports early in their history. Ventured into pieces of stations in Dayton, Indy (move-in) and then lept out to Colorado. There was a lot of talk of opportunities for staff who might want to move up within the company. Saw a lot more paring down of existing personalities' salaries than provisions for growth within.

AMP maybe the dream company for you now. However, there was a lot of burned people that earned them some ill-will that is lasting. I won't tell you you're not happy, but don't tell myself and some others that some of the comments/concerns about UBC/AMP aren't warranted.
 
Mike my friend, pick any crappy station up and down the dial. Theres always one guy who's been there forever and thinks the place is great.

But YOU know as well as I do that AMP tells their hourly employees to "fudge" the overtime and carry it over. And you were there when I quit after yet another pay period wondering why my remote pay wasnt on my check.<P ID="signature">______________
We learned more from a 3-minute record than we ever learned in school.</P>
 
> Mike my friend, pick any crappy station up and down the
> dial. Theres always one guy who's been there forever and
> thinks the place is great.
>

That is such a TRUE statement....every Sh*thole I ever worked at...some dumbass had been there over 10 years and was happy as a pig in sh*t

I never worked for AMP personally, but I have known several employees very closely...and used to hang out at the Lafayette building quite a bit....

All I can say is...As a jock or programmer, I would never work for AMP without a contract that had EVERYTHING in writing...and a good amount of years on it (5 or 6). Otherwise, I wouldn't even think of it.

Watch WAZY, They just got a PD (Dana Marshall- former WGRL guy)...he is a really good guy and easy to get along with...very qualified and talented. He SHOULD make WAZY #1 and be there for as long as he wants.....


and to Mike....nothing personal....but your main focus has been the Wolf....in all that time...that station has done nothing but UNDERPERFORM!<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by deepsouth on 09/25/05 02:13 PM.</FONT></P>
 
>
> and to Mike....nothing personal....but your main focus has
> been the Wolf....in all that time...that station has done
> nothing but UNDERPERFORM!
>

**I was the "PD" of The Wolf the first couple of years when it was on the bird (Radio One); I was hired in that position, as well as Production Director/Copywriter. Although I have always been associated with The Wolf personality-wise, in reality, my main focus and priority has always been Production. Mike Warner
 
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