Does anyone know when B93-KOSO Modesto will move from 93.1 to 92.9?

[Hunter]

CC is lowering class and changing freqency to make room for a Sacramento rim shot move in. Does anyone know when the changes for B93 will occur?

 

[RadioStarOne]

Not anytime soon with the addition of Jack-FM to the cluster in Sacramento. Why bother?

 

[Hunter]

Not anytime soon with the addition of Jack-FM to the cluster in Sacramento. Why bother?

Why Bother? Because CC is not capped out on ownership in Sac even with the addition of KQJK. Since my posting I've confirmed that CC Sac is shooting for June to have the rim shot from Pollack Pines (KHJQ) on the air at 93.1. For this to happen, KOSO will have to first move to 92.9. While the new signal will definately get into the market, it won't have the superior coverage like sister rim shot station KHYL. Here is the contour map of the new signal:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM1277201.html

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

Not anytime soon with the addition of Jack-FM to the cluster in Sacramento. Why bother?

Why Bother? Because CC is not capped out on ownership in Sac even with the addition of KQJK. Since my posting I've confirmed that CC Sac is shooting for June to have the rim shot from Pollack Pines (KHJQ) on the air at 93.1. For this to happen, KOSO will have to first move to 92.9. While the new signal will definately get into the market, it won't have the superior coverage like sister rim shot station KHYL. Here is the contour map of the new signal:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM1277201.html

FCC maps are almost worthless for those types of stations (ones on the slope of a mountain range) The signal will be far better. Take a look at a Longley-Rice map.

The FCC maps use a short definition of HAAT. It does not take into account a line of sight shot to a city that is 3,000 below the transmitter site. You're only seeing on a FCC map HAAT of just a few miles.

KHYL and KNTY also fall into this category but have better signals.

It's funny how the FCC will allow Longley-Rice propegation maps to prove that a main studio will fall with in a City Grade service of the station. On the other hand, for interference purposes, they are not used.

If you look at the FCC maps for the new 92.9 and 93.1, you would think that Stockon will completey lose out. But, infact, the new 93.1 will come in with about 64 dbu in Stockton.

 

[Hunter]

Not anytime soon with the addition of Jack-FM to the cluster in Sacramento. Why bother?

Why Bother? Because CC is not capped out on ownership in Sac even with the addition of KQJK. Since my posting I've confirmed that CC Sac is shooting for June to have the rim shot from Pollack Pines (KHJQ) on the air at 93.1. For this to happen, KOSO will have to first move to 92.9. While the new signal will definately get into the market, it won't have the superior coverage like sister rim shot station KHYL. Here is the contour map of the new signal:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM1277201.html

FCC maps are almost worthless for those types of stations (ones on the slope of a mountain range) The signal will be far better. Take a look at a Longley-Rice map.

The FCC maps use a short definition of HAAT. It does not take into account a line of sight shot to a city that is 3,000 below the transmitter site. You're only seeing on a FCC map HAAT of just a few miles.

KHYL and KNTY also fall into this category but have better signals.

It's funny how the FCC will allow Longley-Rice propegation maps to prove that a main studio will fall with in a City Grade service of the station. On the other hand, for interference purposes, they are not used.

If you look at the FCC maps for the new 92.9 and 93.1, you would think that Stockon will completey lose out. But, infact, the new 93.1 will come in with about 64 dbu in Stockton.

Thank you David Eduardo jr
I am very familar with Longley-Rice and that FCC maps, like RadioLocater maps in many cases are for amusement only, however the FCC map that I linked to is the only one for which I have access. My comparison to KHYL is not to suggest that this station will not cover the market, but only that unlike the godzilla signal of KHYL, this station will very likely suffer from some signal and multipath issues in office buildings downtown and other similar challenges. Perhaps my point wouold have been better made if I also posted the link to the KHYL map for comparison:
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM78473.html

I worked at KOSO years ago when they pumped a whopping 2.9KW from 3K feet on Mt. Oso...not much power, yet you could hear the station well at my parents house in citrus Heights. Their FCC map at the time suggested their 54dbu did not reach Lodi.

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

Not anytime soon with the addition of Jack-FM to the cluster in Sacramento. Why bother?

Why Bother? Because CC is not capped out on ownership in Sac even with the addition of KQJK. Since my posting I've confirmed that CC Sac is shooting for June to have the rim shot from Pollack Pines (KHJQ) on the air at 93.1. For this to happen, KOSO will have to first move to 92.9. While the new signal will definately get into the market, it won't have the superior coverage like sister rim shot station KHYL. Here is the contour map of the new signal:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM1277201.html

FCC maps are almost worthless for those types of stations (ones on the slope of a mountain range) The signal will be far better. Take a look at a Longley-Rice map.

The FCC maps use a short definition of HAAT. It does not take into account a line of sight shot to a city that is 3,000 below the transmitter site. You're only seeing on a FCC map HAAT of just a few miles.

KHYL and KNTY also fall into this category but have better signals.

It's funny how the FCC will allow Longley-Rice propegation maps to prove that a main studio will fall with in a City Grade service of the station. On the other hand, for interference purposes, they are not used.

If you look at the FCC maps for the new 92.9 and 93.1, you would think that Stockon will completey lose out. But, infact, the new 93.1 will come in with about 64 dbu in Stockton.

Thank you David Eduardo jr
I am very familar with Longley-Rice and that FCC maps, like RadioLocater maps in many cases are for amusement only, however the FCC map that I linked to is the only one for which I have access. My comparison to KHYL is not to suggest that this station will not cover the market, but only that unlike the godzilla signal of KHYL, this station will very likely suffer from some signal and multipath issues in office buildings downtown and other similar challenges. Perhaps my point wouold have been better made if I also posted the link to the KHYL map for comparison:
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM78473.html

I worked at KOSO years ago when they pumped a whopping 2.9KW from 3K feet on Mt. Oso...not much power, yet you could hear the station well at my parents house in citrus Heights. Their FCC map at the time suggested their 54dbu did not reach Lodi.

David Eduardo Jr. LOL...If only I had an eighth the knowledge and expericence of that guy.

FYI....There's a free L-R propegation map maker from the Canadian government you could use....

http://lrcov.crc.ca/cov.php?lang=en

You have to plucg in the values and move the map service area to the region you want. It defaults to North Eastern Canada.


You are right that 93.1 will not have the bite of KHYL. It will just reach further south because of height and location.

Hunter, are you familliar with David Gleason's site. I love all of the info he's put on there including old Duncan guides and Broadcasting yearbook. I cannot believe he has the patience to scan all of those pages.

 

[Hunter]

David Eduardo Jr. LOL...If only I had an eighth the knowledge and expericence of that guy.

I truly made the comment in fun...to both you and him....but it may not have been meant as a compliment.

FYI....There's a free L-R propegation map maker from the Canadian government you could use....

http://lrcov.crc.ca/cov.php?lang=en

You have to plucg in the values and move the map service area to the region you want. It defaults to North Eastern Canada.

This is fantastic! A must bookmark! Thanks for the link.

Hunter, are you familliar with David Gleason's site. I love all of the info he's put on there including old Duncan guides and Broadcasting yearbook. I cannot believe he has the patience to scan all of those pages.

It does have an outstanding amount of treasures for us radio geeks. Between this forum and what he features on his site, it's a wonder that he gets any work done at Univision.

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

I truly made the comment in fun...to both you and him....but it may not have been meant as a compliment.

Point taken. I do feel he's unfairly picked on at times just for blowing out someone's fantasy with facts.

I never want to come accross as condincending to anyone. If I've done so earlier , I appologize.

Back to KOSO. I do remember the signal from Mt. Oso puting a great "in-car signal" over Sacramento. I also remember an attempt to include Sacramento in their imiganing in the late 90's. I guess their move to the valley floor was meant to improve building penetration in Modesto and Stockton.

 

[Hunter]

I truly made the comment in fun...to both you and him....but it may not have been meant as a compliment.

Point taken. I do feel he's unfairly picked on at times just for blowing out someone's fantasy with facts.

I never want to come accross as condincending to anyone. If I've done so earlier , I appologize.

Back to KOSO. I do remember the signal from Mt. Oso puting a great "in-car signal" over Sacramento. I also remember an attempt to include Sacramento in their imiganing in the late 90's. I guess their move to the valley floor was meant to improve building penetration in Modesto and Stockton.

No appology necessry. I have a warped sarcastic sense of humor. I need to be careful. Sometimes the proper tone does not come across in text.

I left many years prior to the stick move, but yes, the station covered a lot of ground, yet had major difficulties with in office listening...especially being an AC format. To really show my age, when I started there the tower was on Oso, but only at 1500 watts. Later, doubling the power helped a bit, but didn't solve the major signal penetration issues.

 

[kenrayc]

Not anytime soon with the addition of Jack-FM to the cluster in Sacramento. Why bother?

Why Bother? Because CC is not capped out on ownership in Sac even with the addition of KQJK. Since my posting I've confirmed that CC Sac is shooting for June to have the rim shot from Pollack Pines (KHJQ) on the air at 93.1. For this to happen, KOSO will have to first move to 92.9. While the new signal will definately get into the market, it won't have the superior coverage like sister rim shot station KHYL. Here is the contour map of the new signal:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM1277201.html

FCC maps are almost worthless for those types of stations (ones on the slope of a mountain range) The signal will be far better. Take a look at a Longley-Rice map.

The FCC maps use a short definition of HAAT. It does not take into account a line of sight shot to a city that is 3,000 below the transmitter site. You're only seeing on a FCC map HAAT of just a few miles.

KHYL and KNTY also fall into this category but have better signals.

It's funny how the FCC will allow Longley-Rice propegation maps to prove that a main studio will fall with in a City Grade service of the station. On the other hand, for interference purposes, they are not used.

If you look at the FCC maps for the new 92.9 and 93.1, you would think that Stockon will completey lose out. But, infact, the new 93.1 will come in with about 64 dbu in Stockton.

A good example of this is Eshom point with the HAAT at800 ft at a elevation of 5200 ft.KSEQ 97.1,KBOS 94.9,KFSO 92.9,KFRR 104.1 KJSV 91.5 KRDA 107.5 has 17KW ERP at that hieght.The FCC contuor maps shows they barly make it out of Fresno to the North and Tulare county to the south. Ive heard some of these stations as far north as Livingston and as far south as Valencia.The NEW 92.9 KOSO will theoriretically have a overlap with KFSO between Atwater and Turlock.104.1 KFRR andKHOPalso have a overlap.In Merced if one goes off the air you here the other.

 

[kenrayc]

I meant KHKK not KHOP on 104.1.

 

[Madmansam]

I meant KHKK not KHOP on 104.1.

An easy mistake as the calls of KHOP were at 104.1 from about 1977-96. To this day, I still refer to The Hawk as "STEREO 104" and it hasn't been called that since around 1986.