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Does "Good Day New York" look so NOT New York?

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TonySantiago

One thing about Good Day New York when it first came out...the reporters had that New York "grit" to them. Even the anchors at that time (Marian Etoile Watson and Bob Fitzsimmons) had that edge. Dick Oliver was PERFECT as that field reporter getting the news live. It STILL had that edge when Jim Ryan was the anchor there....the joking with Dave Price was funny.

When I look at GDNY now with Chris Gailus and Jodi Applegate as anchors, for some reason I feel like I'm in Houston or Tampa! I'm glad that Lyn Brown is still there and as much as I really don't like her, Penny Crone is perhaps the only one that has that "New York grit". I don't have a problem with Mike Woods either. But I swear, the rest of the show looks as if they just lost that "New York" style of sorts. It just looks "fluffy".

What do you think?

TS
 
I'd have to agree that GDNY has become less a New York show with the current talent. In the late 1990s I recall a series of promos that mentioned the then current anchors New York credibility, something that the current people lack.

I think that of the current staff on the show only Penny Crone has the local crediblity.

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They all look so NOT New York!

It's not just Good Day New York; it's all of them. Especially the morning shows. OK, on New York TV have to start someplace else and work their way up to New York. Most come from some place else, but that's true of a lot of New Yorkers in most lines of work. New York has always been a city of immigrants, including immigants from the rest of the USA. They come here. Some take to the city and become New Yorkers. (Some don't and they move on.)

But it seems all they have on morning TV now are Ken and Barbie, all interchangeable. All reading off a Teleprompter. All with no sense of the city where they are working. And the people behind the cameras who pick the talent, pick the stories to cover, write and produce the stories also have no sense of where they are. It's like these people move around doing the same stories in the same way where ever they happen to be working. Somebody gets shot. Somebody is in a hit and run. Somebody gets a rare disease. A dog is lost. The neighborhood rallies to show support. Bad weather coming. Traffic jam. Root, root, root for the home team. Just fill in _______________ (name of city) here.

At least they could learn how to pronounce things.
 
> I'd have to agree that GDNY has become less a New York show
> with the current talent. In the late 1990s I recall a series
> of promos that mentioned the then current anchors New York
> credibility, something that the current people lack.
>
> I think that of the current staff on the show only Penny
> Crone has the local crediblity.
>

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Re: They all look so NOT New York!

> It's not just Good Day New York; it's all of them.
> Especially the morning shows. OK, on New York TV have to
> start someplace else and work their way up to New York.
> Most come from some place else, but that's true of a lot of
> New Yorkers in most lines of work. New York has always been
> a city of immigrants, including immigants from the rest of
> the USA. They come here. Some take to the city and become
> New Yorkers. (Some don't and they move on.)
>
> But it seems all they have on morning TV now are Ken and
> Barbie, all interchangeable. All reading off a
> Teleprompter. All with no sense of the city where they are
> working. And the people behind the cameras who pick the
> talent, pick the stories to cover, write and produce the
> stories also have no sense of where they are. It's like
> these people move around doing the same stories in the same
> way where ever they happen to be working. Somebody gets
> shot. Somebody is in a hit and run. Somebody gets a rare
> disease. A dog is lost. The neighborhood rallies to show
> support. Bad weather coming. Traffic jam. Root, root,
> root for the home team. Just fill in _______________ (name
> of city) here.
>
> At least they could learn how to pronounce things.
>
That describes Jodi Applegate to a "T". Sorry, but I never liked her here in the Boston market (when she did mornings at WFXT) either. She is competent and professional - to her credit. But, the approach she takes is extremely light and airy. Not what you want in a major market anchor.

And, she does seem very "Tampa" or "Columbus" or "Sacramento" (i.e. generic medium market). I always wondered how she got the New York gig.
 
Re: They all look so NOT New York!

> > At least they could learn how to pronounce things.
> >
> That describes Jodi Applegate to a "T". Sorry, but I never
> liked her here in the Boston market (when she did mornings
> at WFXT) either. She is competent and professional - to her
> credit. But, the approach she takes is extremely light and
> airy. Not what you want in a major market anchor.

Light and airy is OK for a morning show host (as opposed to a real news anchor - was she doing that in Boston?).

> And, she does seem very "Tampa" or "Columbus" or
> "Sacramento" (i.e. generic medium market). I always
> wondered how she got the New York gig.

Or Phoenix, where she first made her name as a morning show host in 1994. Unless her style has changed since then, I can't see her in any east-coast market, although I have no idea how good or bad she was in Boston. I always thought she'd end up in LA or back in Phoenix.

As far as how she got the job, I'll guess somebody in NYC remembered her at MSNBC a few years ago. Plus having a good agent. :)

BTW, Tampa & Sacramento are not "medium markets." They are both Top 20, as is Phoenix. Tampa is #12, Phoenix is #14, and Sacramento is #19. Columbus is a medium market (#32). Small compared to NYC and Boston perhaps, but they're still considered major markets.
 
Re: They all look so NOT New York!

> > > At least they could learn how to pronounce things.
> > >
> > That describes Jodi Applegate to a "T". Sorry, but I
> never
> > liked her here in the Boston market (when she did mornings
>
> > at WFXT) either. She is competent and professional - to
> her
> > credit. But, the approach she takes is extremely light
> and
> > airy. Not what you want in a major market anchor.
>
> Light and airy is OK for a morning show host (as opposed to
> a real news anchor - was she doing that in Boston?).

Oh yeah. And, she sometimes anchored the evening news too. She lacks "gravitas" and it's obvious.
>
> > And, she does seem very "Tampa" or "Columbus" or
> > "Sacramento" (i.e. generic medium market). I always
> > wondered how she got the New York gig.
>
> Or Phoenix, where she first made her name as a morning show
> host in 1994. Unless her style has changed since then, I
> can't see her in any east-coast market, although I have no
> idea how good or bad she was in Boston. I always thought
> she'd end up in LA or back in Phoenix.
>
> As far as how she got the job, I'll guess somebody in NYC
> remembered her at MSNBC a few years ago. Plus having a good
> agent. :)

Quite a good agent indeed!
>
> BTW, Tampa & Sacramento are not "medium markets." They are
> both Top 20, as is Phoenix. Tampa is #12, Phoenix is #14,
> and Sacramento is #19. Columbus is a medium market (#32).
> Small compared to NYC and Boston perhaps, but they're still
> considered major markets.
>
Yeah, I suppose that's fair. But I don't see her as top 10 market talent (let alone market #1), nor does she fit in a diverse east coast market. She really would be a little light for LA too - IMO.

The markets I named are the kinds of places where I'd expect to see a Jodi Applegate. Perhaps interviewing a zoo keeper with a small monkey or a rare Austrian squirrel as a prop.
 
Jodi Applegate

> > Light and airy is OK for a morning show host (as opposed to
> > a real news anchor - was she doing that in Boston?).
>
> Oh yeah. And, she sometimes anchored the evening news too.
> She lacks "gravitas" and it's obvious.

That's scary. She never seemed the "hard-news" type. She never anchored an evening newscast at KTVK, from what I remember.

> > BTW, Tampa & Sacramento are not "medium markets." They are
> > both Top 20, as is Phoenix. Tampa is #12, Phoenix is #14,
> > and Sacramento is #19. Columbus is a medium market (#32).
>
> > Small compared to NYC and Boston perhaps, but they're still
> > considered major markets.
> >
> Yeah, I suppose that's fair. But I don't see her as top 10
> market talent (let alone market #1), nor does she fit in a
> diverse east coast market. She really would be a little
> light for LA too - IMO.

I don't know. From what I've seen of LA newscasts, they're a bit lighter than those back east (my experience with those is mostly in Chicago). She might be good on their Fox station (KTTV) or KCAL.

> The markets I named are the kinds of places where I'd expect
> to see a Jodi Applegate. Perhaps interviewing a zoo keeper
> with a small monkey or a rare Austrian squirrel as a prop.

You don't have a zoo in NYC? I thought you had one in the Bronx (and I'm not talking about Yankee Stadium either. :-D ). Don't they get any kind of TV coverage?

Seriously, she is probably too lightweight for NYC since apparently she's still the happy-talk morning show type she was here in Phoenix. She did an excellent job here and she was better than KTVK's current morning host. Not everyone works in every market, though.
 
Re: Jodi Applegate

(Me in parenthesis)

> > > Light and airy is OK for a morning show host (as opposed
> to
> > > a real news anchor - was she doing that in Boston?).
> >
> > Oh yeah. And, she sometimes anchored the evening news
> too.
> > She lacks "gravitas" and it's obvious.
>
> That's scary. She never seemed the "hard-news" type. She
> never anchored an evening newscast at KTVK, from what I
> remember.

(GDNY comes off more like a "newscast" than your typical bubbly/airy morning show even though they have live remotes of features. She and Chris just don't look right up there for the type of show this is and the general vibe of what New York is)

> > > BTW, Tampa & Sacramento are not "medium markets." They
> are
> > > both Top 20, as is Phoenix. Tampa is #12, Phoenix is
> #14,
> > > and Sacramento is #19. Columbus is a medium market
> (#32).
> >
> > > Small compared to NYC and Boston perhaps, but they're
> still
> > > considered major markets.
> > >
> > Yeah, I suppose that's fair. But I don't see her as top
> 10
> > market talent (let alone market #1), nor does she fit in a
>
> > diverse east coast market. She really would be a little
> > light for LA too - IMO.
>
> I don't know. From what I've seen of LA newscasts, they're
> a bit lighter than those back east (my experience with those
> is mostly in Chicago). She might be good on their Fox
> station (KTTV) or KCAL.

(I agree with Keith there. Jodi could "fit" L.A. They might have their grit stories here and there but with that laid-back attitude of So Cal, that market could work out for her.)

> > The markets I named are the kinds of places where I'd
> expect
> > to see a Jodi Applegate. Perhaps interviewing a zoo
> keeper
> > with a small monkey or a rare Austrian squirrel as a prop.
>
>
> You don't have a zoo in NYC? I thought you had one in the
> Bronx (and I'm not talking about Yankee Stadium either. :-D
> ). Don't they get any kind of TV coverage?

(Hmmmm....come to think of it, I dunno? Yep, the Bronx Zoo is about 6 miles from where I live. I guess maybe that would work)

> Seriously, she is probably too lightweight for NYC since
> apparently she's still the happy-talk morning show type she
> was here in Phoenix. She did an excellent job here and she
> was better than KTVK's current morning host. Not everyone
> works in every market, though.

(So true...so true. And on the flip side, I couldn't see Jim Ryan working in a Tampa or Columbus because he just has that "air" about him that might come off a bit too "tough or gruff" for those markets.)

TS
 
GDNY

Does this topic even have any valid points? When I watch a movie, I make sure that I try not to judge the actor personally if I don't enjoy the movie. IMHO, Chris Gailus is a great anchor and broadcastor, who has quite an amazing success story. He anchored my hometown 6PM news in Calgary, Canada (medium market) and got an offer to move to Dallas, but only after alot of work on his part. He told me that his goal is to end up in New York, and he definitely made it for some reason! What it comes down to is talent- an anchor or reporter needs to tell the story of the city, and if they do it, and the ratings are there, then that's a success to me.


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> Does this topic even have any valid points? When I watch a
> movie, I make sure that I try not to judge the actor
> personally if I don't enjoy the movie. IMHO, Chris Gailus
> is a great anchor and broadcastor, who has quite an amazing
> success story. He anchored my hometown 6PM news in Calgary,
> Canada (medium market) and got an offer to move to Dallas,
> but only after alot of work on his part. He told me that
> his goal is to end up in New York, and he definitely made it
> for some reason! What it comes down to is talent- an anchor
> or reporter needs to tell the story of the city, and if they
> do it, and the ratings are there, then that's a success to
> me.
>

This topic DOES have a valid point. I'll further elaborate since you are not from New York City and probably don't have an idea about WNYW/WNEW.

One thing that stood out about Channel 5 (WNEW/WNYW) in the past was that the reporters/anchors really represented the true "New York". That sort of distinction made that station stand out from all of the other New York stations . Obvious question...what is the TRUE "New York?" Basically reporters that have that grit and smarts about them as they know the city. Some have been born here, others have adapted well here. They just have that "it" quality. "The 10 O'Clock News" had that style about it with John Roland, Bill Jorgensen, etc. And it's not just WNEW/WNYW. Roger Grimsby from the Eyewitness News days (channel 7) had that grit. Bill Beutel might not have looked it, but he had that air about him as well. The late Jim Jensen, who originally came from Minneapolis, had that grit quality when he anchored the Channel 2 news.

And to point out a reporter that had adapted well to New York that came from Canada...click the following link:

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=37&aid=325

That is Pat Kiernan from NY1. From what I understand, he has some sort of "cult" following. In that sense, he has obtained that "grit".

From its inception up to now, Good Day New York kept to that quality of being "true". When Jim Ryan "retired" (over to Channel 2), that quality left with him...which is why I noted that Penny Crone was perhaps the only one on staff left with that "grit".

I have NEVER said that Chris Gailus nor Jody Applegate are bad reporters. They busted pavement in other cities to get here and that's eventually how you make it. They just don't have that "it" factor to me...that "New York" sort of feeling. It doesn't make them bad people but when one is used to getting that quality, only to see it disappear somewhat then consciously (or subconsciously) you take notice.

And let's get to that analogy about an actor in a bad movie. Sure, the actor or actress might have performed his/her heart out and did his/her very best. But if the movie is bad for reasons outside their control, such as a bad script, people will still think of the actor/actress with that bad movie because their names are on the marquee.

I have to look at the latest ratings for GDNY. Hey, if the numbers are holding up then yeah, they are doing something right. But if they are shrinking, I just think it's because the show lost the "it" that it had from day one.

TONY SANTIAGO
 
Re: They all look so NOT New York!

> That describes Jodi Applegate to a "T". Sorry, but I never
> liked her here in the Boston market (when she did mornings
> at WFXT) either. She is competent and professional - to her
> credit. But, the approach she takes is extremely light and
> airy. Not what you want in a major market anchor.
>
> And, she does seem very "Tampa" or "Columbus" or
> "Sacramento" (i.e. generic medium market). I always
> wondered how she got the New York gig.
>
Jodi, from Wheeling WV, gradutated from NYU. Prior to KTVK, she worked as a field reporter, weekend anchor (KTVN-Reno), traffic reporter (KRON) and producer (KTVN; NBC's Dr. Dean show; C-Span's Close Up America).

In Phoenix, KTVK, lost the ABC affiliation and took a typical 2 hour morning news lead up to GMA and revamped it into a "less starchy" 4 hour show that now competed with GMA and Today. Besides the usual news , weather and sports, Jodi and the Good Morning Arizona crew had time to explore local events, have local chefs in to cook some of their restaurant favorites on air and interview celebrities and other people of interest. The show did very well and beat the other stations including those with the old reliable Today and GMA. A little over two years later, NBC offered Jodi the Weekend Today seat (as well as some MSNBC duties).
 
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