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Does New York City really need a third hip hop station?

rapking said:
musik187 said:
rapking said:
mary said:
NEW YORK NEEDS A COUNTRY STATION   :)
Taylor Swift is all over New York radio. There no need for a country station in NYC.

I'm not a country fan but are you serious with that comment? lol Well for that matter then, NYC MOST certainly does NOT need another Hip Hop station either, since the genre has been completely played out on NY radio in recent years.
Thanks to Kanye West, New York only know and care about one country music artist Taylor Swift. Good Country stations has been here (NYC)in the past and they all died. Country music only works out in the burbs, Not in The Big Apple .


So Philadelphia is considered "the burbs" because they have a country station on 92.5?
 
Tony Santiago said:
mary said:
not many have that. We need one on the reg radio!! :)

And once again Mary, you know what you have to do! :)

Jmtillery is giving you the "tools" (in form of the questions) right there to do the research on. That is what you have to prove and be persistent on. It worked for dance music fans ;). You gotta find that audience base and give the proof! :)

A format advocacy group like yours might have some impact in Canada but definitely not in the states. The only example of such a group having any real success was when WNCN-FM in 1974 switched from Classical to Progressive Rock and a complaint was filed with the FCC, prompting the station to switch back to Classical.
 
And incidentally, what exactly has "worked for dance music fans"? I thought that many of the Pulse fans were disappointed with Party's more eclectic music mix.
 
MarcR said:
And incidentally, what exactly has "worked for dance music fans"? I thought that many of the Pulse fans were disappointed with Party's more eclectic music mix.

What worked was in only took 10 MINUTES to get a dance format back on NYC radio! That's more than what alternative fans had done for Baltimore's Channel 104.3 and G-Rock
 
d21ofnj said:
rapking said:
musik187 said:
rapking said:
mary said:
NEW YORK NEEDS A COUNTRY STATION :)
Taylor Swift is all over New York radio. There no need for a country station in NYC.

I'm not a country fan but are you serious with that comment? lol Well for that matter then, NYC MOST certainly does NOT need another Hip Hop station either, since the genre has been completely played out on NY radio in recent years.
Thanks to Kanye West, New York only know and care about one country music artist Taylor Swift. Good Country stations has been here (NYC)in the past and they all died. Country music only works out in the burbs, Not in The Big Apple .


So Philadelphia is considered "the burbs" because they have a country station on 92.5?
HELLO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NYC AREA !!
 
rapking said:
d21ofnj said:
rapking said:
musik187 said:
rapking said:
mary said:
NEW YORK NEEDS A COUNTRY STATION   :)
Taylor Swift is all over New York radio. There no need for a country station in NYC.

I'm not a country fan but are you serious with that comment? lol Well for that matter then, NYC MOST certainly does NOT need another Hip Hop station either, since the genre has been completely played out on NY radio in recent years.
Thanks to Kanye West, New York only know and care about one country music artist Taylor Swift. Good Country stations has been here (NYC)in the past and they all died. Country music only works out in the burbs, Not in The Big Apple .


So Philadelphia is considered "the burbs" because they have a country station on 92.5?
HELLO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NYC AREA !!

You're missing my point.  Philadelphia is a big city market and has a country station, so why can't a big market city like NYC have one on HD-1 instead of HD-2.  The NYC area had Y107 broadcasting in Upstate NY, LI, and New Jersey.  It wasn't their fault Press pulled the plug on Y107.
 
d21ofnj said:
MarcR said:
And incidentally, what exactly has "worked for dance music fans"? I thought that many of the Pulse fans were disappointed with Party's more eclectic music mix.

What worked was in only took 10 MINUTES to get a dance format back on NYC radio! That's more than what alternative fans had done for Baltimore's Channel 104.3 and G-Rock

Party entering into an agreement with the licensee had absolutely zero to due with any group if that's what your saying.

jp
 
JohnParker said:
d21ofnj said:
MarcR said:
And incidentally, what exactly has "worked for dance music fans"? I thought that many of the Pulse fans were disappointed with Party's more eclectic music mix.

What worked was in only took 10 MINUTES to get a dance format back on NYC radio! That's more than what alternative fans had done for Baltimore's Channel 104.3 and G-Rock

Party entering into an agreement with the licensee had absolutely zero to due with any group if that's what your saying.

jp

Well, there was a reason why Party put that bid in for 87.7. If dance wasn't so viable in this market, then why would Party want to bid for 87.7 in the first place?
 
d21ofnj said:
Well, there was a reason why Party put that bid in for 87.7. If dance wasn't so viable in this market, then why would Party want to bid for 87.7 in the first place?

Any smart business person that wanted to break into the Tri-State area via radio would have done the same as they did. You get to enter the #1 Market in the country for dimes on the dollar. That would be the reason to "put a bid" in.

I never said Dance Music isn't viable in NYC, in fact I could show you many reasons why it has worked and does work. That said it has never been their intention to put on a pure dance station from all that I know. I was referring to what I believed you were saying which was that pressure or awareness by a group made JVC Broadcasting make a move to put a station on the air at that frequency. That simply isn't the case.
 
d21ofnj said:
The NYC area had Y107 broadcasting in Upstate NY, LI, and New Jersey. It wasn't their fault Press pulled the plug on Y107.

Actually it was Big City Radio. And the only reason Y-107 went away was because Big City had an agenda and for some reason it was for a Spanish Language Music Format. That's why RUMBA 107 existed. Big City had an agenda.
 
rapking said:
Thanks to Kanye West, New York only know and care about one country music artist Taylor Swift. Good Country stations has been here (NYC)in the past and they all died. Country music only works out in the burbs, Not in The Big Apple .

I think the PD over at Fresh 102.7 would disagree with you. They play alot of country, particularly weeknights, after 6pm, smakc dab in the middle of the City.
 
Brooklyndon said:
rapking said:
Thanks to Kanye West, New York only know and care about one country music artist Taylor Swift. Good Country stations has been here (NYC)in the past and they all died. Country music only works out in the burbs, Not in The Big Apple .

I think the PD over at Fresh 102.7 would disagree with you. They play alot of country, particularly weeknights, after 6pm, smakc dab in the middle of the City.

a glance at the playlist and yes.com doesn't show any country in rotation other than a few cross overs so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
 
JohnParker said:
d21ofnj said:
Well, there was a reason why Party put that bid in for 87.7. If dance wasn't so viable in this market, then why would Party want to bid for 87.7 in the first place?

Any smart business person that wanted to break into the Tri-State area via radio would have done the same as they did. You get to enter the #1 Market in the country for dimes on the dollar. That would be the reason to "put a bid" in.

I never said Dance Music isn't viable in NYC, in fact I could show you many reasons why it has worked and does work. That said it has never been their intention to put on a pure dance station from all that I know. I was referring to what I believed you were saying which was that pressure or awareness by a group made JVC Broadcasting make a move to put a station on the air at that frequency. That simply isn't the case.
Mega Media had a dance format on 87.7. The existence of and the work done by the New York Dance Music Coalition must have been a major reason Mega Media chose to program a dance format, instead of the other formats it could have programmed on 87.7 (smooth jazz for the displaced listeners who just lost CD 101.9 a few weeks ago, country, alternative, etc).
When they went bankrupt, JVC recognized that there would be an instant 800,000-1 million listeners of PartyFM on day 1 in NYC, so it was in their interest to get their hands on Channel 6. However, they could have just kept the same Pulse format, dropped most of the hip hop, and kept Pulse 87's entire cume by not altering the music format. A million listeners and 1.0 share in New York City is a dream for anyone. If given a choice between appealing to a million dance listeners in market 1, or appealing to only 200,000 listeners in eastern Long Island (part of the listeners like hip hop and the closest hip hop station is in Hartford, and another part likes dance and they listen to PartyFM because it's been playing dance music for over a decade).
I had looked at Pulse 87's financial statements and advertising revenue, and concluded that they could have turned a profit if the company wasn't in millions of debt from before Pulse 87 launched. Assuming a new corporation outbid everyone for 87.7, and bought the Pulse 87 intellectual property and hired the same staff, they would make a profit from day 1 just by keeping the existing advertising accounts open. My whole point is, why mess with success?
 
Let's get our facts straight first. Mega did not decide on a dance format because of a music coalition. They originally were going on the air as a Top 40 station but they hired Joel originally as a consultant and he recommended a dance format. Joel had the original Hot 97 streaming online for a while before Pulse went on the air. He was a huge supporter of dance music. Not to slam Tony, but please give the credit where it is due.

Nick we get it you dont like Party. Guess what you don't have to listen. Party is not a bad station. Most people like dance music like hip-hop. If you ever look into the past both genres go hand and hand with each other. Why do dance stations have to avoid hip-hop? Because a small minority of dance fans don't like it? That's like a rhythmic station not playing dance music.

I mean come on, dance music is making a major push and is making its presence felt in the top 40 world. Get over your hatred of a station. To be honest people wont take you serious
 
Dancerev889 said:
Let's get our facts straight first. Mega did not decide on a dance format because of a music coalition. They originally were going on the air as a Top 40 station but they hired Joel originally as a consultant and he recommended a dance format. Joel had the original Hot 97 streaming online for a while before Pulse went on the air. He was a huge supporter of dance music. Not to slam Tony, but please give the credit where it is due.

Nick we get it you dont like Party. Guess what you don't have to listen. Party is not a bad station. Most people like dance music like hip-hop. If you ever look into the past both genres go hand and hand with each other. Why do dance stations have to avoid hip-hop? Because a small minority of dance fans don't like it? That's like a rhythmic station not playing dance music.

I mean come on, dance music is making a major push and is making its presence felt in the top 40 world. Get over your hatred of a station. To be honest people wont take you serious

Admittedly, I was actually rather "hesitant" when I saw the coalition name on there.

The only thing we did was to rally people together to make noise for dance music. I did walk around the parking lots during Beatstock in '07 gathering names on a petition so that in the event we needed it as proof, it was there. Granted, I wasn't in the office when Mega Media and Joel Salkowitz had their talks, and if we ARE going to add to this, Troi Torain ("Star") was the EXECUTIVE PD there at Pulse and he was the one that got Joel on board. That's a fact that doesn't get discussed much but with Pulse being history, it should be noted for the record. However, to a small extent (not taking a big note here; I am being modest about this), we did have SOME influence. If we didn't make enough noise then how would radio know about the dance music audience that wanted this format back on NYC radio? I was pestering away on another board about this so radio pros knew we were out there (however anyone wants to take that last part, lol).

No, I did not sit down with Alex Shvarts, Star and Joel when they made the decision to go dance on Pulse but they knew, based on what Joel had said, that there was an audience out there that wanted an edgier form of dance than what 'KTU had offered and going Top 40 would have been a mistake at the time due to the powerhouse known as Z-100. And if we were waving that "flag" hard to show them that we were here, then I'll take credit on that :).

Brett....I think you may know the history about the disdain regarding hip-hop amongst dance music fans in New York, which goes back to Hot 97 flipping format in 1992, to which that was the BEST THING EMMIS COULD DO since the station did get number 1 on most of the 90's books and saved the company from bankruptcy at the time. Yet there was still that bitterness regarding hip-hop taking over dance formats (in other markets too). Granted, there are dance fans that love hip-hop, yes. But for those that don't, they REALLY detest it, and it actually is not this small minority number either. And that is exactly why there is this "tension" of sorts regarding Party FM's "brand" of format. Granted, I know why Party HAS to do this and if hip-hop keeps the station afloat, then they have to do what they have to do; I can certainly understand. Yet, the "tension" is something that will never go away. I'm just hoping for that "big picture" down the road where 87.7 could be fully branched off, yet still under the Party FM banner, to play more dance whereas 105.3 could lean more hip-hop to get at Eastern Suffolk County. I can wait for that should it come to fruition :)
 
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