Does This Mean We Get Our Channel 55's Back?

[kenglish]

I wonder...Assuming there was no requirement to broadcast with a particular modulation (8VSB vs COFDM), could someone purchase those channels and make them in to a "out-of-core broadcast" channel. Maybe a "TV Guide" (with advertising) channel, or similar?
The TV sets and boxes would still work, since they already get 2-69. And, if it wasn't (technically) a "Broadcast" station, would they be exempt from many of the FCC Rules and Regs?
Every major market would have a "Guide 55" channel, or such, for OTA stations. Or, maybe make it a niche-format channel for a hundred different ethnic format radio stations.

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

That sounds like that LD channel in Atlanta that carries niche programming and radio station audio (WANN-LD, IIRC).

Of course here, it'd have to be virtual channel 30, as 55.1/2 are occupied by the former analog 55 (CW affiliate WBNX).

 

[w9wi]

I wonder...Assuming there was no requirement to broadcast with a particular modulation (8VSB vs COFDM), could someone purchase those channels and make them in to a "out-of-core broadcast" channel. Maybe a "TV Guide" (with advertising) channel, or similar?
The TV sets and boxes would still work, since they already get 2-69. And, if it wasn't (technically) a "Broadcast" station, would they be exempt from many of the FCC Rules and Regs?
Every major market would have a "Guide 55" channel, or such, for OTA stations. Or, maybe make it a niche-format channel for a hundred different ethnic format radio stations.

I have a *vague* recollection of the FCC anticipating exactly this, some of the buyers of this spectrum opting to use it to broadcast.

 

[Sammi Brie]

I wonder...Assuming there was no requirement to broadcast with a particular modulation (8VSB vs COFDM), could someone purchase those channels and make them in to a "out-of-core broadcast" channel. Maybe a "TV Guide" (with advertising) channel, or similar?
The TV sets and boxes would still work, since they already get 2-69. And, if it wasn't (technically) a "Broadcast" station, would they be exempt from many of the FCC Rules and Regs?
Every major market would have a "Guide 55" channel, or such, for OTA stations. Or, maybe make it a niche-format channel for a hundred different ethnic format radio stations.

This kinda ties into a question I have: since Canada and Mexico (I think) are keeping channels 52-69 RF, would an American CECB/tuner scan 52-69 as well or just 2-51?

 

[ajc_trw]

This kinda ties into a question I have: since Canada and Mexico (I think) are keeping channels 52-69 RF, would an American CECB/tuner scan 52-69 as well or just 2-51?

CECB boxes were designed for use before the analog shut-down so they're set to tune from 2-69. There were many DTV stations from 52-69 and the CECB boxes needed to tune them.

 

[w9wi]

This kinda ties into a question I have: since Canada and Mexico (I think) are keeping channels 52-69 RF, would an American CECB/tuner scan 52-69 as well or just 2-51?

Canada isn't keeping 52-69. They're not forcing stations (outside the largest markets) to cease analog operation but they are forcing anything above 51 to move. The channel 60 relayer in Windsor has already filed to move down, to channel 16 IIRC, while remaining analog at least for now.

 

[azumanga]

The channel 60 relayer in Windsor has already filed to move down, to channel 16 IIRC, while remaining analog at least for now.

Actually, when the digital conversion takes place, channel 60 in Windsor will be moving to 25, while the originating channel 16 signal in Wheatley will stay there.

 

[vchimpanzee]

The CEO of Qualcomm will be on C-SPAN today talking about his success (or lack thereof) with the FLO-TV service, and predicts that other broadcasters will be enabled by the FCC to move off of their spectrum. Here's an extensive preview:
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/ar...fident_Broadcasters_Will_Give_Up_Spectrum.php

I've heard that "Tips from flo" radio commercail twice today. I like that because those people get on HER nerves, while SHE gets on MY nervers.

I would welcome the end of FLO TV.

 

[PTBoardOp94]

"Tips from Flo" is a comercial created by Progressive Insurance and has nothing to do with FLO-TV.

 

[w9wi]

The channel 60 relayer in Windsor has already filed to move down, to channel 16 IIRC, while remaining analog at least for now.

Actually, when the digital conversion takes place, channel 60 in Windsor will be moving to 25, while the originating channel 16 signal in Wheatley will stay there.

Yeah, I had that recollection wrong. They're moving their analog signal to channel 26.

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2010/2010-795.htm

The item says they plan to file a separate application for a digital facility.

 

[azumanga]

Yeah, I had that recollection wrong. [Channel 60 in Windsor is] moving their analog signal to channel 26.

Unfortunately, right across the river, there is a low-powered Christian station in Detroit, WLPC-LP, that also broadcasts on channel 26. That station, however, does have a Construction Permit to move to channel 40 as a digital signal. (The CRTC decision does not mention WLPC.)

Unless WLPC follows up on the CP to convert to digital on channel 40, there may be problems when CHWI moves its Windsor transmitter to 26.

 

[tripinva]

Problems? WLPC is an LPTV station. If a full-service station comes on the air and reports interference from the LPTV, the LPTV goes off the air. End of discussion.

I suspect WLPC will be moving to 40 in the near future though. They recently requested a TSID from the FCC, and this usually signifies imminent sign-on of a digital signal.

- Trip

 

[DToTheJ]

"Tips from Flo" is a comercial created by Progressive Insurance and has nothing to do with FLO-TV.

Much like vchimpanzee, I would welcome the end of the "Flo" campaign. It's all over TV, radio, the Internet - they will never be Geico, so they should just stop trying!

 

[azumanga]

Problems? WLPC is an LPTV station. If a full-service station comes on the air and reports interference from the LPTV, the LPTV goes off the air. End of discussion.

Except that WLPC is a Class-A station, meaning that they have more protections than a standard low-power station, including being located to another channel if they experience interference (which may be a moot point if they move to digital channel 40).

 

[w9wi]

Except that WLPC is a Class-A station, meaning that they have more protections than a standard low-power station, including being located to another channel if they experience interference (which may be a moot point if they move to digital channel 40).

Domestically, definitely, Class A stations are protected from interference. But this is an international situation.

According to the I-C database, this station is notified to Canada as a "Class LP" operation. Within Canada, such stations are not protected from interference (just as non-Class A -LPs within the U.S.) and can be bumped by higher class stations. The CHWI relayer is domestically Class B and thus can bump -LP operations within Canada. (the meaning of "Class A" is different in Canada)

What happens in this particular case I don't know. But don't assume WLPC's Class A status will prevent the CHWI channel change.

 

[kenglish]

vchimpanzee is talking about "Flo", the waitress in the 70's TV show, "Alice".
I thought I better 'splain it for ya'll youngun's out there. ;D

 

[vchimpanzee]

vchimpanzee is talking about "Flo", the waitress in the 70's TV show, "Alice".
I thought I better 'splain it for ya'll youngun's out there. ;D

Actually, no, that was earlier. I was looking for a place to comment on the Progressive Insurance radio commercials that I like because they annoy Flo. There doesn't seem to be a general place around here to talk about radio commercials unless they're local.