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does wxnt pre record their news?
- Thread starter bigtime
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> at 150pm today they re ran their 1pm newscast, even giving
> the incorrect time of 1:01pm...there were weather warnings
> at the time that weren't even mentioned on their paul poteet
> weather
>
They record every newscast. It has to do with the way their automation system is setup. If they do not get the newscast in the system on time, it does not make it on the air. Thus, you hear an old newscast since they reuse the same cut numbers.
> the incorrect time of 1:01pm...there were weather warnings
> at the time that weren't even mentioned on their paul poteet
> weather
>
They record every newscast. It has to do with the way their automation system is setup. If they do not get the newscast in the system on time, it does not make it on the air. Thus, you hear an old newscast since they reuse the same cut numbers.
M
MisterHonesty
Guest
> true
>
And since they use Audiovault, quite possibly the worst on-air software ever devised, the news has to be loaded in several minutes before air in order for it to make it to the server.
Kinda hard to do News/Talk on a shoestring and have any credibility.
>
And since they use Audiovault, quite possibly the worst on-air software ever devised, the news has to be loaded in several minutes before air in order for it to make it to the server.
Kinda hard to do News/Talk on a shoestring and have any credibility.
It sure doesn't work very well. Last night after the 11 PM news, a pre-recorded Paul Poteet weather cut came on. The problem was that the system played EVERY RECORDED SEGMENT that day including Paul's lead-ins...("Cut 10-A.....3 - 2 - 1....", "Cut 11...3-2-1..."). The network talk show (Laura Ingraham) then started as usual at about 6 minutes after, with the Paul Poteet segment still going.. ("Cut 11-A...3-2-1...").
Say what you want about Emmis and WIBC, but having live news and weather most of the day and night sure beats a poorly run automated system!
> > true
> >
> And since they use Audiovault, quite possibly the worst
> on-air software ever devised, the news has to be loaded in
> several minutes before air in order for it to make it to the
> server.
>
> Kinda hard to do News/Talk on a shoestring and have any
> credibility.
>
Say what you want about Emmis and WIBC, but having live news and weather most of the day and night sure beats a poorly run automated system!
> > true
> >
> And since they use Audiovault, quite possibly the worst
> on-air software ever devised, the news has to be loaded in
> several minutes before air in order for it to make it to the
> server.
>
> Kinda hard to do News/Talk on a shoestring and have any
> credibility.
>
K
Kelso66
Guest
>
> Say what you want about Emmis and WIBC, but having live news
> and weather most of the day and night sure beats a poorly
> run automated system!
>
>
It sure does. I would guess they'd like to do that too, but for whatever reason aren't allowed (budget would be my best guess here).
> Say what you want about Emmis and WIBC, but having live news
> and weather most of the day and night sure beats a poorly
> run automated system!
>
>
It sure does. I would guess they'd like to do that too, but for whatever reason aren't allowed (budget would be my best guess here).
> They are the number three station in that cluster. They get
> very little support. After all, WZPL gets all the attention
> at that cluster.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised that when Entercom buys Susquehanna
> they will sell off WXNT. Probably to a religious
> broadcaster.
>
You're right about the lack of support - pretty much every problem I hear on their station is a result of the automation system - board ops would eliminate a lot of that. But Entercom would have no reason to sell it even if they buy Susquehanna. If their goal was unloading WXNT, buying Susq wouldn't really have any bearing on that whatsoever. They'd just do it.
> very little support. After all, WZPL gets all the attention
> at that cluster.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised that when Entercom buys Susquehanna
> they will sell off WXNT. Probably to a religious
> broadcaster.
>
You're right about the lack of support - pretty much every problem I hear on their station is a result of the automation system - board ops would eliminate a lot of that. But Entercom would have no reason to sell it even if they buy Susquehanna. If their goal was unloading WXNT, buying Susq wouldn't really have any bearing on that whatsoever. They'd just do it.
> It sure doesn't work very well. Last night after the 11 PM
> news, a pre-recorded Paul Poteet weather cut came on. The
> problem was that the system played EVERY RECORDED SEGMENT
> that day including Paul's lead-ins...("Cut 10-A.....3 - 2 -
> 1....", "Cut 11...3-2-1..."). The network talk show (Laura
> Ingraham) then started as usual at about 6 minutes after,
> with the Paul Poteet segment still going.. ("Cut
> 11-A...3-2-1...").
>
You would think that they would be able to get it right since they hired one of the techs from Audio Vault. I guess he cannot even figure it out.
> news, a pre-recorded Paul Poteet weather cut came on. The
> problem was that the system played EVERY RECORDED SEGMENT
> that day including Paul's lead-ins...("Cut 10-A.....3 - 2 -
> 1....", "Cut 11...3-2-1..."). The network talk show (Laura
> Ingraham) then started as usual at about 6 minutes after,
> with the Paul Poteet segment still going.. ("Cut
> 11-A...3-2-1...").
>
You would think that they would be able to get it right since they hired one of the techs from Audio Vault. I guess he cannot even figure it out.
G
ginkgotree
Guest
What's wrong with Audio Vault?
> It sure doesn't work very well. Last night after the 11 PM
> news, a pre-recorded Paul Poteet weather cut came on. The
> problem was that the system played EVERY RECORDED SEGMENT
> that day including Paul's lead-ins...("Cut 10-A.....3 - 2 -
> 1....", "Cut 11...3-2-1..."). The network talk show (Laura
> Ingraham) then started as usual at about 6 minutes after,
> with the Paul Poteet segment still going.. ("Cut
> 11-A...3-2-1...").
>
> Say what you want about Emmis and WIBC, but having live news
> and weather most of the day and night sure beats a poorly
> run automated system!
>
>
>
> > > true
> > >
> > And since they use Audiovault, quite possibly the worst
> > on-air software ever devised, the news has to be loaded in
>
> > several minutes before air in order for it to make it to
> the
> > server.
> >
> > Kinda hard to do News/Talk on a shoestring and have any
> > credibility.
> >
> Emmis uses Audio Vault...You'd be surprised how much WIBC uses it and you
wouldn't even know it. LIVE?? Why the worst software ever devised?
I like what I seen of it. Seems to work really well if you know
what your are doing.
> It sure doesn't work very well. Last night after the 11 PM
> news, a pre-recorded Paul Poteet weather cut came on. The
> problem was that the system played EVERY RECORDED SEGMENT
> that day including Paul's lead-ins...("Cut 10-A.....3 - 2 -
> 1....", "Cut 11...3-2-1..."). The network talk show (Laura
> Ingraham) then started as usual at about 6 minutes after,
> with the Paul Poteet segment still going.. ("Cut
> 11-A...3-2-1...").
>
> Say what you want about Emmis and WIBC, but having live news
> and weather most of the day and night sure beats a poorly
> run automated system!
>
>
>
> > > true
> > >
> > And since they use Audiovault, quite possibly the worst
> > on-air software ever devised, the news has to be loaded in
>
> > several minutes before air in order for it to make it to
> the
> > server.
> >
> > Kinda hard to do News/Talk on a shoestring and have any
> > credibility.
> >
> Emmis uses Audio Vault...You'd be surprised how much WIBC uses it and you
wouldn't even know it. LIVE?? Why the worst software ever devised?
I like what I seen of it. Seems to work really well if you know
what your are doing.
Re: What's wrong with Audio Vault?
> > It sure doesn't work very well. Last night after the 11
> PM
> > news, a pre-recorded Paul Poteet weather cut came on. The
>
> > problem was that the system played EVERY RECORDED SEGMENT
> > that day including Paul's lead-ins...("Cut 10-A.....3 - 2
> -
> > 1....", "Cut 11...3-2-1..."). The network talk show
> (Laura
> > Ingraham) then started as usual at about 6 minutes after,
> > with the Paul Poteet segment still going.. ("Cut
> > 11-A...3-2-1...").
> >
> > Say what you want about Emmis and WIBC, but having live
> news
> > and weather most of the day and night sure beats a poorly
> > run automated system!
> >
> >
> >
> > > > true
> > > >
> > > And since they use Audiovault, quite possibly the worst
> > > on-air software ever devised, the news has to be loaded
> in
> >
> > > several minutes before air in order for it to make it to
>
> > the
> > > server.
> > >
> > > Kinda hard to do News/Talk on a shoestring and have any
> > > credibility.
> > >
> > Emmis uses Audio Vault...You'd be surprised how much WIBC
> uses it and you
> wouldn't even know it. LIVE?? Why the worst software ever
> devised?
> I like what I seen of it. Seems to work really well if
> you know
> what your are doing.
>
It is great for music formats. I never had a problem with the Audio Vault on music formats. Have you ever tried to automate a satellite talk format using the Audio Vault? If you have, you would know that it is "the worst software ever devised." If you had seen everything it takes to make it work, you would not like it, even when you know what you are doing. It is completely insane the amount of programming that it requires to make it run properly. You have to be a computer programmer to write the pages of code to get it to run smoothly. WXNT is using many different satellite providers to receive their content, which increases the likely hood that one of them will screw up. If any of the satellite providers screw up and do not send a closure, the station will have something screwed up on the air. That is what happened with the double audio. Granted, they have had many other human errors that have contributed to the sloppiness lately.
> > It sure doesn't work very well. Last night after the 11
> PM
> > news, a pre-recorded Paul Poteet weather cut came on. The
>
> > problem was that the system played EVERY RECORDED SEGMENT
> > that day including Paul's lead-ins...("Cut 10-A.....3 - 2
> -
> > 1....", "Cut 11...3-2-1..."). The network talk show
> (Laura
> > Ingraham) then started as usual at about 6 minutes after,
> > with the Paul Poteet segment still going.. ("Cut
> > 11-A...3-2-1...").
> >
> > Say what you want about Emmis and WIBC, but having live
> news
> > and weather most of the day and night sure beats a poorly
> > run automated system!
> >
> >
> >
> > > > true
> > > >
> > > And since they use Audiovault, quite possibly the worst
> > > on-air software ever devised, the news has to be loaded
> in
> >
> > > several minutes before air in order for it to make it to
>
> > the
> > > server.
> > >
> > > Kinda hard to do News/Talk on a shoestring and have any
> > > credibility.
> > >
> > Emmis uses Audio Vault...You'd be surprised how much WIBC
> uses it and you
> wouldn't even know it. LIVE?? Why the worst software ever
> devised?
> I like what I seen of it. Seems to work really well if
> you know
> what your are doing.
>
It is great for music formats. I never had a problem with the Audio Vault on music formats. Have you ever tried to automate a satellite talk format using the Audio Vault? If you have, you would know that it is "the worst software ever devised." If you had seen everything it takes to make it work, you would not like it, even when you know what you are doing. It is completely insane the amount of programming that it requires to make it run properly. You have to be a computer programmer to write the pages of code to get it to run smoothly. WXNT is using many different satellite providers to receive their content, which increases the likely hood that one of them will screw up. If any of the satellite providers screw up and do not send a closure, the station will have something screwed up on the air. That is what happened with the double audio. Granted, they have had many other human errors that have contributed to the sloppiness lately.
K
Kelso66
Guest
> > They are the number three station in that cluster. They
> get
> > very little support. After all, WZPL gets all the
> attention
> > at that cluster.
> >
> > I wouldn't be surprised that when Entercom buys
> Susquehanna
> > they will sell off WXNT. Probably to a religious
> > broadcaster.
> >
>
> You're right about the lack of support - pretty much every
> problem I hear on their station is a result of the
> automation system - board ops would eliminate a lot of that.
> But Entercom would have no reason to sell it even if they
> buy Susquehanna. If their goal was unloading WXNT, buying
> Susq wouldn't really have any bearing on that whatsoever.
> They'd just do it.
>
They won't sell off WXNT because it is making some money for them. If Entercom really wanted to get rid of XNT, they would've done it already.
> get
> > very little support. After all, WZPL gets all the
> attention
> > at that cluster.
> >
> > I wouldn't be surprised that when Entercom buys
> Susquehanna
> > they will sell off WXNT. Probably to a religious
> > broadcaster.
> >
>
> You're right about the lack of support - pretty much every
> problem I hear on their station is a result of the
> automation system - board ops would eliminate a lot of that.
> But Entercom would have no reason to sell it even if they
> buy Susquehanna. If their goal was unloading WXNT, buying
> Susq wouldn't really have any bearing on that whatsoever.
> They'd just do it.
>
They won't sell off WXNT because it is making some money for them. If Entercom really wanted to get rid of XNT, they would've done it already.
M
MisterHonesty
Guest
Re: What's wrong with Audio Vault?
> > > It sure doesn't work very well. Last night after the 11
>
> > PM
> > > news, a pre-recorded Paul Poteet weather cut came on.
> The
> >
> > > problem was that the system played EVERY RECORDED
> SEGMENT
> > > that day including Paul's lead-ins...("Cut 10-A.....3 -
> 2
> > -
> > > 1....", "Cut 11...3-2-1..."). The network talk show
> > (Laura
> > > Ingraham) then started as usual at about 6 minutes
> after,
> > > with the Paul Poteet segment still going.. ("Cut
> > > 11-A...3-2-1...").
> > >
> > > Say what you want about Emmis and WIBC, but having live
> > news
> > > and weather most of the day and night sure beats a
> poorly
> > > run automated system!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > true
> > > > >
> > > > And since they use Audiovault, quite possibly the
> worst
> > > > on-air software ever devised, the news has to be
> loaded
> > in
> > >
> > > > several minutes before air in order for it to make it
> to
> >
> > > the
> > > > server.
> > > >
> > > > Kinda hard to do News/Talk on a shoestring and have
> any
> > > > credibility.
> > > >
> > > Emmis uses Audio Vault...You'd be surprised how much
> WIBC
> > uses it and you
> > wouldn't even know it. LIVE?? Why the worst software
> ever
> > devised?
> > I like what I seen of it. Seems to work really well if
> > you know
> > what your are doing.
> >
> It is great for music formats. I never had a problem with
> the Audio Vault on music formats. Have you ever tried to
> automate a satellite talk format using the Audio Vault? If
> you have, you would know that it is "the worst software ever
> devised." If you had seen everything it takes to make it
> work, you would not like it, even when you know what you are
> doing. It is completely insane the amount of programming
> that it requires to make it run properly. You have to be a
> computer programmer to write the pages of code to get it to
> run smoothly. WXNT is using many different satellite
> providers to receive their content, which increases the
> likely hood that one of them will screw up. If any of the
> satellite providers screw up and do not send a closure, the
> station will have something screwed up on the air. That is
> what happened with the double audio. Granted, they have had
> many other human errors that have contributed to the
> sloppiness lately.
>
Having worked with it at WXNT, I doubt I'd want to use it in a music format either. Granted, it certainly works better if there's a live person running it...as a matter a fact, that's just about a necessity. Audiovault doesn't automate for shiite.
I'll take Scott or Enco over Audiovault any day.
> > > It sure doesn't work very well. Last night after the 11
>
> > PM
> > > news, a pre-recorded Paul Poteet weather cut came on.
> The
> >
> > > problem was that the system played EVERY RECORDED
> SEGMENT
> > > that day including Paul's lead-ins...("Cut 10-A.....3 -
> 2
> > -
> > > 1....", "Cut 11...3-2-1..."). The network talk show
> > (Laura
> > > Ingraham) then started as usual at about 6 minutes
> after,
> > > with the Paul Poteet segment still going.. ("Cut
> > > 11-A...3-2-1...").
> > >
> > > Say what you want about Emmis and WIBC, but having live
> > news
> > > and weather most of the day and night sure beats a
> poorly
> > > run automated system!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > true
> > > > >
> > > > And since they use Audiovault, quite possibly the
> worst
> > > > on-air software ever devised, the news has to be
> loaded
> > in
> > >
> > > > several minutes before air in order for it to make it
> to
> >
> > > the
> > > > server.
> > > >
> > > > Kinda hard to do News/Talk on a shoestring and have
> any
> > > > credibility.
> > > >
> > > Emmis uses Audio Vault...You'd be surprised how much
> WIBC
> > uses it and you
> > wouldn't even know it. LIVE?? Why the worst software
> ever
> > devised?
> > I like what I seen of it. Seems to work really well if
> > you know
> > what your are doing.
> >
> It is great for music formats. I never had a problem with
> the Audio Vault on music formats. Have you ever tried to
> automate a satellite talk format using the Audio Vault? If
> you have, you would know that it is "the worst software ever
> devised." If you had seen everything it takes to make it
> work, you would not like it, even when you know what you are
> doing. It is completely insane the amount of programming
> that it requires to make it run properly. You have to be a
> computer programmer to write the pages of code to get it to
> run smoothly. WXNT is using many different satellite
> providers to receive their content, which increases the
> likely hood that one of them will screw up. If any of the
> satellite providers screw up and do not send a closure, the
> station will have something screwed up on the air. That is
> what happened with the double audio. Granted, they have had
> many other human errors that have contributed to the
> sloppiness lately.
>
Having worked with it at WXNT, I doubt I'd want to use it in a music format either. Granted, it certainly works better if there's a live person running it...as a matter a fact, that's just about a necessity. Audiovault doesn't automate for shiite.
I'll take Scott or Enco over Audiovault any day.
A
aquamaniac2
Guest
We all seem to be in agreement, live news and weather beats automation across the board. That being said, several people have already made the most important point here, it is apparent that WXNT is not being alloted the same resources (both financial and manpower) as WIBC. While its embarassing for any station to make these sort of mistakes it should be pointed out that WXNT is doing about as well as one would expect with the limitations that they have been put under.
> > > They are the number three station in that cluster. They
> > get
> > > very little support. After all, WZPL gets all the
> > attention
> > > at that cluster.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't be surprised that when Entercom buys
> > Susquehanna
> > > they will sell off WXNT. Probably to a religious
> > > broadcaster.
> > >
> >
> > You're right about the lack of support - pretty much every
>
> > problem I hear on their station is a result of the
> > automation system - board ops would eliminate a lot of
> that.
> > But Entercom would have no reason to sell it even if they
>
> > buy Susquehanna. If their goal was unloading WXNT, buying
>
> > Susq wouldn't really have any bearing on that whatsoever.
>
> > They'd just do it.
> >
>
> They won't sell off WXNT because it is making some money for
> them. If Entercom really wanted to get rid of XNT, they
> would've done it already.
>
> > > They are the number three station in that cluster. They
> > get
> > > very little support. After all, WZPL gets all the
> > attention
> > > at that cluster.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't be surprised that when Entercom buys
> > Susquehanna
> > > they will sell off WXNT. Probably to a religious
> > > broadcaster.
> > >
> >
> > You're right about the lack of support - pretty much every
>
> > problem I hear on their station is a result of the
> > automation system - board ops would eliminate a lot of
> that.
> > But Entercom would have no reason to sell it even if they
>
> > buy Susquehanna. If their goal was unloading WXNT, buying
>
> > Susq wouldn't really have any bearing on that whatsoever.
>
> > They'd just do it.
> >
>
> They won't sell off WXNT because it is making some money for
> them. If Entercom really wanted to get rid of XNT, they
> would've done it already.
>
A
artstudent
Guest
> a poorly run automated system!
While keeping WXNT staffed in the newsroom through the evening and overnights might be cost prohibitive, a $7.00/hour board-operator seems a happy medium between automation disaster and Emmis' product. Also remember that any software program, broadcasting related or not, is only as good as the local people who setup and configure it.
AS
While keeping WXNT staffed in the newsroom through the evening and overnights might be cost prohibitive, a $7.00/hour board-operator seems a happy medium between automation disaster and Emmis' product. Also remember that any software program, broadcasting related or not, is only as good as the local people who setup and configure it.
AS
A
artstudent
Guest
WXNT probably won't be unloaded if they buy SI. Every cluster needs a black sheep 
Also, if WXNT were losing money for ETM, Wall Street would bristle at ETM not taking immediate corrective action.
Remember, it's the bean counters and Wall Street that "pulls the strings" for publically owned corporate broadcasters. Originality and creativity are NO LONGER part of the equation.
AS
Also, if WXNT were losing money for ETM, Wall Street would bristle at ETM not taking immediate corrective action.Remember, it's the bean counters and Wall Street that "pulls the strings" for publically owned corporate broadcasters. Originality and creativity are NO LONGER part of the equation.
AS
> WXNT probably won't be unloaded if they buy SI. Every
> cluster needs a black sheep Also, if WXNT were losing
> money for ETM, Wall Street would bristle at ETM not taking
> immediate corrective action.
>
I don't see why people think the two would be related at all... what does buying Susq have to do with whether or not Entercom wants to unload XNT? Besides, who would buy just XNT as a stand alone?
> cluster needs a black sheep
Also, if WXNT were losing> money for ETM, Wall Street would bristle at ETM not taking
> immediate corrective action.
>
I don't see why people think the two would be related at all... what does buying Susq have to do with whether or not Entercom wants to unload XNT? Besides, who would buy just XNT as a stand alone?
> While keeping WXNT staffed in the newsroom through the
> evening and overnights might be cost prohibitive, a
> $7.00/hour board-operator seems a happy medium between
> automation disaster and Emmis' product.
That's what I don't get. Why don't they just put bodies in there? 95% of the problems I hear on that station would not happen (or at least happen a lot less) if someone was in there pushing the buttons.
> evening and overnights might be cost prohibitive, a
> $7.00/hour board-operator seems a happy medium between
> automation disaster and Emmis' product.
That's what I don't get. Why don't they just put bodies in there? 95% of the problems I hear on that station would not happen (or at least happen a lot less) if someone was in there pushing the buttons.
> > a poorly run automated system!
>
> While keeping WXNT staffed in the newsroom through the
> evening and overnights might be cost prohibitive, a
> $7.00/hour board-operator seems a happy medium between
> automation disaster and Emmis' product. Also remember that
> any software program, broadcasting related or not, is only
> as good as the local people who setup and configure it.
>
> AS
>
The problem is that they have to pay the PD that they moved to Indy, the news person that they hired, and the person to do the daily logs. None of these positions existed until Entercom came to town. Plus they still have a handful of part timers and promotions staff. All of this = no board ops. The solution is to hire people that actually understand how to make it work, and all of those people quit when Entercom came to town.
>
> While keeping WXNT staffed in the newsroom through the
> evening and overnights might be cost prohibitive, a
> $7.00/hour board-operator seems a happy medium between
> automation disaster and Emmis' product. Also remember that
> any software program, broadcasting related or not, is only
> as good as the local people who setup and configure it.
>
> AS
>
The problem is that they have to pay the PD that they moved to Indy, the news person that they hired, and the person to do the daily logs. None of these positions existed until Entercom came to town. Plus they still have a handful of part timers and promotions staff. All of this = no board ops. The solution is to hire people that actually understand how to make it work, and all of those people quit when Entercom came to town.
> The problem is that they have to pay the PD that they moved
> to Indy, the news person that they hired, and the person to
> do the daily logs. None of these positions existed until
> Entercom came to town. Plus they still have a handful of
> part timers and promotions staff. All of this = no board
> ops. The solution is to hire people that actually understand
> how to make it work, and all of those people quit when
> Entercom came to town.
>
That's pretty sad that the reason a NEWS/TALK station can't have board ops is because (gasp!) they have a PD and (gasp!) a newsperson!
You're right... that station's budget is waaaay out of control with those two positions!
How did WXNT - a news/talk station that's supposed to compete with WIBC - not have a PD or a newsperson before? No wonder....
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Bushala on 06/30/05 08:39 PM.</FONT></P>
> to Indy, the news person that they hired, and the person to
> do the daily logs. None of these positions existed until
> Entercom came to town. Plus they still have a handful of
> part timers and promotions staff. All of this = no board
> ops. The solution is to hire people that actually understand
> how to make it work, and all of those people quit when
> Entercom came to town.
>
That's pretty sad that the reason a NEWS/TALK station can't have board ops is because (gasp!) they have a PD and (gasp!) a newsperson!
You're right... that station's budget is waaaay out of control with those two positions!
How did WXNT - a news/talk station that's supposed to compete with WIBC - not have a PD or a newsperson before? No wonder....
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Bushala on 06/30/05 08:39 PM.</FONT></P>
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