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Dolphins move back to WQAM
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Put all three of 'em on QAM! Sounds like one heckuva broadcast to me!
This is what Joel Feinberg, President of the Ticket said in today's online edition of the Herald. Note especially his comment on Jimmy Cefalo who many believe wasn't very good, although the Fins love him.
http://www.miamiherald.com/588/story/81914.html
Still, Feinberg said he felt ''strung along'' during negotiations. ''I'm very upset,'' he said. ``I gave them blood, sweat and tears for two years -- hiring Jimmy Cefalo, who belongs in a funeral home he's so dead. I gave them the world.
What's interesting is that QAM is probably going to lose money on the deal, but is gambling that it's a)good marketing and b)going to kill 790 The Ticket. In the last few years of the Fins deal on QAM, they weren't much of a ratings draw, so if anything, one could argue this will help 790 - they won't have burden of a 2 plus million dollar expense. If they can beat QAM in drive times (understanding they cannot win mid-days because of you-know-who), they will do just fine. Maybe they'll get the Marlins...maybe the HEAT. Neither carries the same cache as the Fins but neither has anywhere near the risk. However, if 790 loses Rose, all bets are off.
http://www.miamiherald.com/588/story/81914.html
Still, Feinberg said he felt ''strung along'' during negotiations. ''I'm very upset,'' he said. ``I gave them blood, sweat and tears for two years -- hiring Jimmy Cefalo, who belongs in a funeral home he's so dead. I gave them the world.
What's interesting is that QAM is probably going to lose money on the deal, but is gambling that it's a)good marketing and b)going to kill 790 The Ticket. In the last few years of the Fins deal on QAM, they weren't much of a ratings draw, so if anything, one could argue this will help 790 - they won't have burden of a 2 plus million dollar expense. If they can beat QAM in drive times (understanding they cannot win mid-days because of you-know-who), they will do just fine. Maybe they'll get the Marlins...maybe the HEAT. Neither carries the same cache as the Fins but neither has anywhere near the risk. However, if 790 loses Rose, all bets are off.
Great team, if you get them all together...But now the halls and the towers of WQAM will knash teeth and moans and tears of sadness will flood the Intercoastal Waterway, as the real problem is the Dolphins still look to struggle "on-the-field"... Hope the new coach can be 'loyal' as the last one couldn't be...My concern goes with the "Mammal Fish Society"...Hope it works out... :-\
Marlins to 790 would make both teams happy as they wouldn't conflict with each other.
Can 790 come up with the cash for the Marlins? We shall see.
I think if 790 can nab the Marlins, they will have a pretty good thing going. Other than Marlins President David Samson giving movie reviews to 790 on the LeBatard show.
Aren't both about even in the ratings?
Can 790 come up with the cash for the Marlins? We shall see.
I think if 790 can nab the Marlins, they will have a pretty good thing going. Other than Marlins President David Samson giving movie reviews to 790 on the LeBatard show.
Aren't both about even in the ratings?
Yep. 'QAM's ahead by a very, very slim margin.
Feinberg, whose station had Dolphins games the past two seasons, said he told the team that if he wasn't given a decision by 5 p.m. Friday, he would ''pull the plug'' on Dolphins programming. Dolphins president Bryan Weidmeier informed him of the decision at 4:55 p.m.
There's the key to the switch right there. You don't give the team selling you rights to their broadcasts an ultimatum like that. The deal will fall out from underneath your feet in a flash every single time. Teams look to their flagship station to support them no matter how hard a time the team is going through on the field, including monetarily. If you threaten to pull the rug out from underneath them, they'll beat you to the punch.
Sound to me like it's Feinberg's fault. He can claim that he met their demands all day long, but in the end, I think it was his deadline that lost him the rights.
With Wayne H and the Fins, it's all about the cash. QAM apparently offered more money, even though they'll probably lose money on the actual broadcasts. How do you think 790 got the rights three years ago? Because they offered <overpaid> more money. Years ago CC offered less money than Beaseley but offered a ton of marketing and promotion on all of their brands in Miami, the Keys and West Palm. At that time, the Fins were having a heckava time putting butts into the seats of Pro Player and could have used the promotional push, but Fins took the money. Many teams consider other factors (quality of signal, station image, exclusivity), but the Fins, they don't care about anything but cash.
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WIOD-FM 94.9 sounds like a plan to me. It seems to be the new thing...didn't COX just do it in Jacksonville as well with an FM frequency? Think about it...budget cuts = less staff = less overhead = simulcast a money making AMer on a loser FM...why the hell not?
As for the Marlins moving to WIOD...hmmm, don't be on that one happening anytime soon. Wish the PANTHERS would make the move somewhere!
Fins back on QAM means they also return to WKIS and leaves Big 106 w/o any sports connection once again.
As for the Marlins moving to WIOD...hmmm, don't be on that one happening anytime soon. Wish the PANTHERS would make the move somewhere!
Fins back on QAM means they also return to WKIS and leaves Big 106 w/o any sports connection once again.
Dolphins and Panthers have new deals with WQAM.
HEAT are midway through their deal with WIOD.
But if they flip 94.9 to WIOD-FM, they could get the Fish for the 94.9 signal and have 940 simulcast it on the AM side. That way WIOD would only have the HEAT for sports on the AM signal.
When 610 has the HEAT, regular WIOD programming on 94.9
When 94.9/940 have the Marlins, regular WIOD programming on 610
KTAR did that in Phoenix by having 620 be sports and the FM by news...both are KTAR though.
But what are the odds this Fins-WQAM deal forces the Fish off WQAM and to 790 or CC? You have to think come August both teams will once again fight for 560 time when the Fish want their regular season games on 560 and the Fins are crying to bump the Fish for preseason games on 560. Could that conflict have the Marlins front office get mad enough to finally pull out of WQAM? Could the cost of the Marlins and Fins not be burdened by WQAM now that it is clear WQAM will lose gobs of cash for the Fins and 790 may push up the price of the Marlins through bidding?
WQAM can match any offer the Fish get from 790 or CC, but they can't lose money of 2 teams can they?
HEAT are midway through their deal with WIOD.
But if they flip 94.9 to WIOD-FM, they could get the Fish for the 94.9 signal and have 940 simulcast it on the AM side. That way WIOD would only have the HEAT for sports on the AM signal.
When 610 has the HEAT, regular WIOD programming on 94.9
When 94.9/940 have the Marlins, regular WIOD programming on 610
KTAR did that in Phoenix by having 620 be sports and the FM by news...both are KTAR though.
But what are the odds this Fins-WQAM deal forces the Fish off WQAM and to 790 or CC? You have to think come August both teams will once again fight for 560 time when the Fish want their regular season games on 560 and the Fins are crying to bump the Fish for preseason games on 560. Could that conflict have the Marlins front office get mad enough to finally pull out of WQAM? Could the cost of the Marlins and Fins not be burdened by WQAM now that it is clear WQAM will lose gobs of cash for the Fins and 790 may push up the price of the Marlins through bidding?
WQAM can match any offer the Fish get from 790 or CC, but they can't lose money of 2 teams can they?
Capefish, you always have some thoughtful ideas.
I think it's more likely 790 will go for the Fish before CC. CC would never go into any deal it loses money on. But it's not out of the question that 560 will push hard to keep the Marlins, just to keep it out of 790's hands. Beaseley is apparently okay with losing money on broadcast rights, looking at the added expense as "marketing." As much as Neil may bitch about them, and as much as Hank bad-mouths them, baseball - even the Marlins - is the best sport for radio, the one that actually brings ratings. It's also possible the Marlins, despite the negatives you mentioned with QAM, will stay put. It's been their consistent flagship from day one, they have a pretty good network established by QAM, which is still the dominant sports station, although by the slimmest of margins.
It will get interesting next year, when the HEAT deal opens up. Going to a station where they are not the dominant sport is unnacceptable to them, probably eliminating QAM from the competition. If 790 hangs on long enough, I'm sure they will make a try, but HEAT apparently love WIOD/CC.
The other wild card is Hurricane sports. QAM has treated them like %^%$(@#! Don't know when their deal is up. As for the Panthers, a non-entity. I don't think it costs QAM much and it flls up their night time schedule and the 'Cats are in no position to bargain.
I think it's more likely 790 will go for the Fish before CC. CC would never go into any deal it loses money on. But it's not out of the question that 560 will push hard to keep the Marlins, just to keep it out of 790's hands. Beaseley is apparently okay with losing money on broadcast rights, looking at the added expense as "marketing." As much as Neil may bitch about them, and as much as Hank bad-mouths them, baseball - even the Marlins - is the best sport for radio, the one that actually brings ratings. It's also possible the Marlins, despite the negatives you mentioned with QAM, will stay put. It's been their consistent flagship from day one, they have a pretty good network established by QAM, which is still the dominant sports station, although by the slimmest of margins.
It will get interesting next year, when the HEAT deal opens up. Going to a station where they are not the dominant sport is unnacceptable to them, probably eliminating QAM from the competition. If 790 hangs on long enough, I'm sure they will make a try, but HEAT apparently love WIOD/CC.
The other wild card is Hurricane sports. QAM has treated them like %^%$(@#! Don't know when their deal is up. As for the Panthers, a non-entity. I don't think it costs QAM much and it flls up their night time schedule and the 'Cats are in no position to bargain.
The HEAT do their own radio thing no? I thought it was a timebuy or barter agreement with Clear Channel for the HEAT.
My concern as a fan with 790 is two-fold:
1) If they win the rights for 2..3...4 years, will they survive and be able to pay?
2) Can they form a good Marlins network?
My complaints with WQAM are three-fold:
1) They don't care about the Marlins and consistently bad mouth the club on-air.
2) They make money off the Fish, yet treat them like crap when the Fish vs. Fins choice comes.
3) The Marlins Radio Network has no affiliate in Orlando, Melbourne, Gainesville, or Jacksonville anymore...and it hasn't had a Tallahassee affiliate.
I hope 560 and 790 get into a bidding war and then let the best man win. But 560 is nothing more than a signal to the Marlins because they hate the team. The management is one thing, but Joe Bell ain't getting on the radio to give the Marlins some loving on-air.
My concern as a fan with 790 is two-fold:
1) If they win the rights for 2..3...4 years, will they survive and be able to pay?
2) Can they form a good Marlins network?
My complaints with WQAM are three-fold:
1) They don't care about the Marlins and consistently bad mouth the club on-air.
2) They make money off the Fish, yet treat them like crap when the Fish vs. Fins choice comes.
3) The Marlins Radio Network has no affiliate in Orlando, Melbourne, Gainesville, or Jacksonville anymore...and it hasn't had a Tallahassee affiliate.
I hope 560 and 790 get into a bidding war and then let the best man win. But 560 is nothing more than a signal to the Marlins because they hate the team. The management is one thing, but Joe Bell ain't getting on the radio to give the Marlins some loving on-air.
And what's old is new again....
I remember when Jeff and Dan drug a chunk of the sales team with them to pitch the Dolphins. they thought they had a shot, but WIOD stuck with them for a while longer, and they already had the Heat.
Sometimes, the more things change, the more they stay the same!
I remember when Jeff and Dan drug a chunk of the sales team with them to pitch the Dolphins. they thought they had a shot, but WIOD stuck with them for a while longer, and they already had the Heat.
Sometimes, the more things change, the more they stay the same!
CapeFish said:The HEAT do their own radio thing no? I thought it was a timebuy or barter agreement with Clear Channel for the HEAT.
Good analysis. HEAT's deal, as I understand it, is technically a time buy, although CC can sell all around the network broadcasts. In the past, the HEAT have turned down big bucks to stay with the deal they have with CC.
The HEAT deal is good for them as they keep all the ad time, have a great Miami signal in 610 WIOD, and have clearance in Palm Beach on 1230 WBZT.
The HEAT also get plenty of promotions on other CC stations and WIOD's morning news show has plenty of HEAT talk. WIOD's website also has HEAT features and podcasts.
WQAM was the HEAT flagship from their start until 1993, then the HEAT moved to WINZ, and later the HEAT got CC to put them on WIOD.
The HEAT also get plenty of promotions on other CC stations and WIOD's morning news show has plenty of HEAT talk. WIOD's website also has HEAT features and podcasts.
WQAM was the HEAT flagship from their start until 1993, then the HEAT moved to WINZ, and later the HEAT got CC to put them on WIOD.
There's a few pieces of information on this thread that probably should be cleared up. First, can anyone confirm that QAM bid more money that 790 for the Fins? Not what I heard - from someone inside, the numbers were pretty equal by both stations and the Fins made their decision based on a better business plan coming from the new management at QAM. 790 is run by a real estate guy who is very successful in that business but is not a broadcaster. Stugotz, their GM, is a former board op and penny stock salesman. Once Greg Reed left the building and QAM got a real GM in place, there really was no contest here from a credibility standpoint between the two stations.
I heard the Fins rights fees were significantly lower based on some revenue sharing plans between the station and the team. Saves the radio station from a lot of financial risk.
As for the Marlins, good luck to 790 if they out-bid QAM. They are a money-loser and the team does not protect their franchise rights holder. So some of the jocks rip the team ownership? Whats different from all the rest of us who can't stand Samson and Loria? I have never heard of a station president doing a radio show on the competitor to the franchise rights holder - that can certainly create bad blood.
As for the Heat, I'll bet they will renew with WIOD. They own most of the inventory, basically a time buy, and get all their Heat programming they want from the station.
I heard the Fins rights fees were significantly lower based on some revenue sharing plans between the station and the team. Saves the radio station from a lot of financial risk.
As for the Marlins, good luck to 790 if they out-bid QAM. They are a money-loser and the team does not protect their franchise rights holder. So some of the jocks rip the team ownership? Whats different from all the rest of us who can't stand Samson and Loria? I have never heard of a station president doing a radio show on the competitor to the franchise rights holder - that can certainly create bad blood.
As for the Heat, I'll bet they will renew with WIOD. They own most of the inventory, basically a time buy, and get all their Heat programming they want from the station.
Good point. By now, both stations know what the real cost/benefit is so it's possible both stations bid about the same. I still think QAM bid more because a) they really really wanted the games back and b) they could.
Roxy makes another excellent point - teams love networks, and QAM has the stations lined up. As I understand it, WAXY never really put together a satisfactory network. That may have been their ultimate undoing. I heard horror stories of how completely clueless they were, just getting a clean feed to Clear Channel for the Big simulcasts. Anyone who has been in radio more than week can usually figure it out.
As for the Marlins, I think QAM lost some of that "protection" in its last negotiation. They got the fees down to a point they could make some money, but gave up some exclusivities. Baseball, unlike most sports, provides some ratings, so it may be worth it to 790, as long as they don't overbid. Really, I thought I read where QAM actually made a little profit with the Fish. However, just like with the Fins, the ability to form a viable network is critical - and that is to QAM's big advantage.
This is an interesting thread.
Roxy makes another excellent point - teams love networks, and QAM has the stations lined up. As I understand it, WAXY never really put together a satisfactory network. That may have been their ultimate undoing. I heard horror stories of how completely clueless they were, just getting a clean feed to Clear Channel for the Big simulcasts. Anyone who has been in radio more than week can usually figure it out.
As for the Marlins, I think QAM lost some of that "protection" in its last negotiation. They got the fees down to a point they could make some money, but gave up some exclusivities. Baseball, unlike most sports, provides some ratings, so it may be worth it to 790, as long as they don't overbid. Really, I thought I read where QAM actually made a little profit with the Fish. However, just like with the Fins, the ability to form a viable network is critical - and that is to QAM's big advantage.
This is an interesting thread.
Why is WQAM unable to come up with affiliates for the Marlins in Orlando or Melbourne anymore? Those two markets are very important to the Marlins Network. Jacksonville and Gainesville are not too bad either for the team considering the FSN/SUN TV package gets to air games there. Same goes for Tallahassee and the Panhandle.
WQAM likely will retain the Marlins, but saying the Marlins lose money for WQAM and do not protect the rights-holder is just plain wrong. I don't see another radio station in Miami airing a Marlins feed.
All the leagues have deals with Satellite Radio and have Online Radio operations that block out the flagships. Even UM has games on XM and their website exclusively besides WQAM and the Hurricanes ISP Sports Network.
BTW, The HEAT do stuff on 790 as well even though WIOD is their flagship. I don't see WQAM running to give much access to the Marlins on their shows except for the Manager and Dontrelle I believe. What happened that Samson stopped going on Goldberg's show?
I give WQAM huge props for getting Eddie K into timeslots where more people can hear him talk baseball, allowing Orlando to have a more baseball-friendly show, and having Jesse Agler do Marlins Extra after Sunday games.....but WQAM has only been doing this within the last year.
From 1993-2005...where was all this "love" for the Marlins? I'm a fan, I tune into the flagship, and I hear Fat Hank berating the team for daring to play with a low payroll/work on a stadium/demand that a Dolphins preseason game be bumped instead of a regular season Marlins game.
Remember, the Marlins have been loyal to WQAM since day 1. The Dolphins move around for the money.
Why is it WQAM cannot treat this baseball team better?
WQAM likely will retain the Marlins, but saying the Marlins lose money for WQAM and do not protect the rights-holder is just plain wrong. I don't see another radio station in Miami airing a Marlins feed.
All the leagues have deals with Satellite Radio and have Online Radio operations that block out the flagships. Even UM has games on XM and their website exclusively besides WQAM and the Hurricanes ISP Sports Network.
BTW, The HEAT do stuff on 790 as well even though WIOD is their flagship. I don't see WQAM running to give much access to the Marlins on their shows except for the Manager and Dontrelle I believe. What happened that Samson stopped going on Goldberg's show?
I give WQAM huge props for getting Eddie K into timeslots where more people can hear him talk baseball, allowing Orlando to have a more baseball-friendly show, and having Jesse Agler do Marlins Extra after Sunday games.....but WQAM has only been doing this within the last year.
From 1993-2005...where was all this "love" for the Marlins? I'm a fan, I tune into the flagship, and I hear Fat Hank berating the team for daring to play with a low payroll/work on a stadium/demand that a Dolphins preseason game be bumped instead of a regular season Marlins game.
Remember, the Marlins have been loyal to WQAM since day 1. The Dolphins move around for the money.
Why is it WQAM cannot treat this baseball team better?
Guess it all depends what side of the fence you play between who is more right, Marlins or QAM. Slamming David Samson, to me, is totally appropriate given what he has done. Fat Hank, hate to admit it, is mostly right. I repeat that I have never heard of a team president doing a radio show on the competitor to the flagship station, that to me is a hard slap to the face.
It's gonna be interesting, the next few months as the Marlins negotiations start to take fold. Will 790 over-spend like they did with the Dolphins just to have a team on their station roster?
It's gonna be interesting, the next few months as the Marlins negotiations start to take fold. Will 790 over-spend like they did with the Dolphins just to have a team on their station roster?
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