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DON'T DO IT KKSF !!

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Rumors of a format flip?? That would put a nice dent in the Bay's radio landscape. Smooth Jazz does well in the West....Sactown, San Diego, L.A., Las Vegas, Phoenix, Seattle??

KKSF is doing something wrong? But what? Why are all these other West Coast outlets thriving?

DE....any insight?
 
The PD, Sales Manager, and morning board op all left Tuesday. What do you think is going to happen? Miranda is the only live programming employee left.
 
They have done rock several places where they have blown up Smooth Jazz stations. Had PD Ken Jones been left with the staff and tools he needed, KKSF would have still been a healthy radio station. It is a shell of what it formerly was now.
 
Flip to Top 40 as K 103.7 or just change the call letters and become Q 103.7 or something. Flip to Top 40. SF doesn't have a Top 40 they haven't had one since 2003! We don't need another La Mega station or any other type of format they have like 15 thousand of those type of stations are you insane?!?!
 
XCountry285 said:
Flip to Top 40 as K 103.7 or just change the call letters and become Q 103.7 or something. Flip to Top 40. SF doesn't have a Top 40 [....]
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Because it doesn't work.

We don't need another La Mega station or any other type of format they have like 15 thousand of those type of stations are you insane?!?!
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What makes you think all Spanish-language music stations are the same?
 
Energy 92.7 should take it over and be called Energey 103.7
 
It will be Classic Hits, look for failed talent already in the clear channel building to be on. To fail again.
 
SFStatic said:
The PD, Sales Manager, and morning board op all left Tuesday. What do you think is going to happen? Miranda is the only live programming employee left.
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Here's my boring speculation, possibly the most likely move given Clear Channel's cost-cutting - no format flip at all...format flips cost money with no guarantee of success. Instead, CC will remove all local programming on KKSF, and replace it with a Smooth Jazz "network" from KTWV (The Wave) in Los Angeles, bringing it into KKSF, and any other Smooth Jazz stations that they own. Slip in bumpers with the KKSF jingle and station ID, and local traffic reports during drive times...Voila...you've got a radio station...sort of.
 
Ramsey in the morning, and Koz are already smooth jazz net offerings. Miranda also tracks for the smooth jazz net, in addition to her local show. Maria Lopez tracks nights.
 
I dont know why you guys think a CHR wont work in the bay... If its customized for the market and includes a bit Wild, Star, 105, and Energy than it can work.... Maybe not a KIIS CHR like LA,,, but one that play all pop/Rock/ Rhythm and Dance can and will work in the bay.... In fact I would be willing to come to the bay and program it if given the chance, even though i would be giving up a secure small market job... Come on SF...... someone go CHR already,, and customize it to compete with the other stations,,,
 
RadioStarOne said:
I don't think CBS Radio (KTWV) is in the business of providing formats for any other radio station group owners.
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I'll admit, I was having a brain burp, and was thinking KTWV was a Clear Channel station, not CBS. But so what? Why shouldn't CBS provide programming to Clear Channel in the Bay Area? - It's not like CBS is going to flip one of their own Bay Area stations to take advantage of the growing Smooth Jazz market.

CBS used to supply Howard Stern to a number of CC stations. As mentioned above, Dave Koz's show originates at KTWV. Premiere Radio Networks (a subsidiary of Clear Channel) provides Rush Limbaugh to KSFO (Citadel). Why don't they run Rush on their own KNEW? I assume it's because Citadel (and Disney before them) pays CC the price want, and because Rush gets better ratings on KSFO that he would on KNEW.

Isn't this the "media synergy" we hear so much about?
 
cc would be stupid to do chr, it will take ratings from wild and star, and plus they would play the same music as both these stations
 
Lkeller said:
...Why shouldn't CBS provide programming to Clear Channel in the Bay Area? - It's not like CBS is going to flip one of their own Bay Area stations to take advantage of the growing Smooth Jazz market.

CBS used to supply Howard Stern to a number of CC stations. As mentioned above, Dave Koz's show originates at KTWV. Premiere Radio Networks (a subsidiary of Clear Channel) provides Rush Limbaugh to KSFO (Citadel). Why don't they run Rush on their own KNEW? I assume it's because Citadel (and Disney before them) pays CC the price want, and because Rush gets better ratings on KSFO that he would on KNEW.

Isn't this the "media synergy" we hear so much about?
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"The True Oldies Channel" is an ABC Radio Networks' entity...and is being broadcast on KFRC 1550,
a CBS O-and-O station...some media synergy of sorts...
--jay

P.S. - On a different slant, this almost makes one yearn for the days where some TV stations had TWO network
affiliations, like the Chico/Redding market had with KRCR 7 (ABC/NBC) and KHSL 12 (CBS/ABC) until somewhere
between the late-1970s to mid-1980s...
 
My eyes have been opened and I have come to see the light. Why not put KTWV on 103.7? And then Entercom in Sacramento can put it on 94.7 KSSJ there too. By The Way I hear that KMPH 840 has a new morning show beginning on Feb. 2, 2009. Just thought you all might like to know! So why not A local show on KTRB 860?
 
I sure hope they don't change format, as I like jazz alot- and it's very difficult to pick up 91.1 (KCSM) outside the immediate bay. In the Pleasanton area, KCSM's signal is tough to hold on to.

But that said, the one downfall that the smooth jazz format has always had is its repetitiveness. It's almost like top 40, but instead of pop music, its smooth jazz. Jazz fans tend to like a lot more variety (which is why we're jazz fans), and after listening to KKSF for less than a day, you've heard their entire playlist. I'll often hear the same song more than once in a normal workday, which gets old after a while. That works fine for top 40, because that's simply what that audience wants.

Whatever the case, I hope it stays smooth jazz- but hopefully with a bit more variety.
 
Sad to think that a market as big as the Bay Area cannot support either a Country or Smooth Jazz-formatted station. I'm starting to think the problem is sometimes with mediocre sales staffs. Too often the product has merit, but those responsible for turning programming into revenue can't sell hand-warmers to Packer fans.
You never see any criticism of the sales effort at radio. If I were a programmer I would be insisting on worthy sales and marketing efforts within my station. Management changes format when it can't be sold to advertisers. There are too many cases of poor sales effort attached to decent programming. Sales usually has the ear of management far more often than programming does. It's not always programming's fault. It can be found elsewhere.
 
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