So, I'm listening to "Money" by Pink Floyd (like you all needed that information) on KISW and when it came to that line, BS was garbled. On KZOK, they play the unedited, original version. Is this an Entercom vs. CBS Radio thing or KISW vs. KZOK? It's not like I need to hear the "S" word, but in the song it's not gratuitous unlike more modern music. I mean, I must have listened to "Who Are You" hundreds of times before I noticed that f bomb. I appreciate KZOK having the balls to play the unedited songs. Or is it CBS Radio having a say in this? Just curious.
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"Don't Give Me That Do-Goody Good Bull$h!@%*"?
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What about:
-Jet Airliner/Steve Miller ("..funky s&%t..")
-Show Biz Kids"/Steely Dan (.."they don't give a f&$k...")
-Stones/"She's So Cold" ("..God d&#m cold...")
??
...a FAR cry from:
-Kingston Trio/"Greenback Dollar" ( "..I don't give a damn..")
-Beatles/"Ballad of John and Yoko" (where "Christ" was removed in the on-air version)
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The FCC's enforcement process has tended to swing erratically for decades,
sometimes tolerating that language --- sometimes not.
When specialized programming arose (with the days of "underground" radio in the 1960s
and early 1970s), programmers likely viewed there to be an "us vs. them" attraction to
providing programming which might alienate non-target listeners - but in doing so,
might also establish a stronger bond with target listeners.
The real question for programmers now is how to deal with songs like these which have been
broadcast for years -- in light of the FCC's tough enforcement policy.
Unless and until that policy is relaxed (whether by the FCC's voluntary action or at the
direction of a court), stations which broadcast the unexpurgated versions of those songs
are still at risk of considerable fines.
Of course, stations which choose to broadcast these classics would be able to demonstrate reasonably
and conclusively that the broadcast of those songs over the last 3-4 decades has NOT resulted in any
crumbling of the republic or any particular moral decay throughout society.
But while that argument is certainly appealing to many, it would probably get nowhere at the FCC,
particularly if the broadcasts were being attacked by the various "public interest" organizations
who seem inclined to react violently to the occasional use of certain language.
-Jet Airliner/Steve Miller ("..funky s&%t..")
-Show Biz Kids"/Steely Dan (.."they don't give a f&$k...")
-Stones/"She's So Cold" ("..God d&#m cold...")
??
...a FAR cry from:
-Kingston Trio/"Greenback Dollar" ( "..I don't give a damn..")
-Beatles/"Ballad of John and Yoko" (where "Christ" was removed in the on-air version)
==================================================================
The FCC's enforcement process has tended to swing erratically for decades,
sometimes tolerating that language --- sometimes not.
When specialized programming arose (with the days of "underground" radio in the 1960s
and early 1970s), programmers likely viewed there to be an "us vs. them" attraction to
providing programming which might alienate non-target listeners - but in doing so,
might also establish a stronger bond with target listeners.
The real question for programmers now is how to deal with songs like these which have been
broadcast for years -- in light of the FCC's tough enforcement policy.
Unless and until that policy is relaxed (whether by the FCC's voluntary action or at the
direction of a court), stations which broadcast the unexpurgated versions of those songs
are still at risk of considerable fines.
Of course, stations which choose to broadcast these classics would be able to demonstrate reasonably
and conclusively that the broadcast of those songs over the last 3-4 decades has NOT resulted in any
crumbling of the republic or any particular moral decay throughout society.
But while that argument is certainly appealing to many, it would probably get nowhere at the FCC,
particularly if the broadcasts were being attacked by the various "public interest" organizations
who seem inclined to react violently to the occasional use of certain language.
S
searadiofreak
Guest
Also keep in mind that if there are no public complaints, then in essence, no violation occurred. The FCC only responds to public complaints. In a sense, that is what our government should be. It represents the people, not an agenda. Let's hope we can hold on to that ideal.
Have heard so many edits over the years ... and amazing how almost all of them didn't bother me until I heard the REAL version of the song and realized how trivial the "offense" was. Kodachrome got butchered on most Drake syndicated distributions "When I think back on all/I learned in High School", etc.
But the one I think that got under my skin was "Chuck E's in Love". Highly played and extremely well known tune ... and when played on "the FM KVI" we hear "oh...he's even combed his hair". "Christ" reference blatant in its removal. I learned later that the station was known at the time as a highly religious clique under it's PD at the time (nameless for purposes of this post). It was alledged that if you joined his Bible group your shot of getting on the station went up dramatically.
The flipside is true too..unnecessary use of language just to get a rise from audience. But if an artist put it in and it's not causing KinderCare to empty two hours early ... I'd usually be inclined to leave it in. If on the fence and it can be edited to show original intent but clean up for air ... not that offensive to me (chicken shhht is one example). Generally that kind of thing leaves the reference in but not so blatant that kids under 12 start to mimic it when in the car with Mom.
But the one I think that got under my skin was "Chuck E's in Love". Highly played and extremely well known tune ... and when played on "the FM KVI" we hear "oh...he's even combed his hair". "Christ" reference blatant in its removal. I learned later that the station was known at the time as a highly religious clique under it's PD at the time (nameless for purposes of this post). It was alledged that if you joined his Bible group your shot of getting on the station went up dramatically.
The flipside is true too..unnecessary use of language just to get a rise from audience. But if an artist put it in and it's not causing KinderCare to empty two hours early ... I'd usually be inclined to leave it in. If on the fence and it can be edited to show original intent but clean up for air ... not that offensive to me (chicken shhht is one example). Generally that kind of thing leaves the reference in but not so blatant that kids under 12 start to mimic it when in the car with Mom.
I was there at The FM KVI in the 'Chuck E' days. The PD was a decent guy, but definitely wore his faith on his sleeve (silently praying for a parking place on The Ave going to lunch qualifies).
I give him credit for a very creative edit on Steve Miller's 'funky s*&&t' line in Jet Airliner. He took the 'clean' line from the 45 ('funky kicks') and subbed it in the longer version that we played. With the heavy processing on the station, no audible difference between 'kicks' and 's%$t'.
Also, I never heard of the prayer group thing. The heathen that I was, I was offered the overnights full-time and turned it down because I was pretending to go back to college in the fall of '77. But I was a happy weekender for two years.
RJ
I give him credit for a very creative edit on Steve Miller's 'funky s*&&t' line in Jet Airliner. He took the 'clean' line from the 45 ('funky kicks') and subbed it in the longer version that we played. With the heavy processing on the station, no audible difference between 'kicks' and 's%$t'.
Also, I never heard of the prayer group thing. The heathen that I was, I was offered the overnights full-time and turned it down because I was pretending to go back to college in the fall of '77. But I was a happy weekender for two years.
RJ
The FM KVI also aired 'special-edition' song tracks back in the 70's...
ONE tune in particular was a version of Frankie Valli's studio version of "GREASE"
that featured a very distinct one-minute 'sax solo' in the middle of the tune....
I've been trying for years to find out if that version was ever from a remix or not!
Andy Gibb's "Everlasting Love" was a different version on that station too as I recall...
ONE tune in particular was a version of Frankie Valli's studio version of "GREASE"
that featured a very distinct one-minute 'sax solo' in the middle of the tune....
I've been trying for years to find out if that version was ever from a remix or not!
Andy Gibb's "Everlasting Love" was a different version on that station too as I recall...
We also played the live TV version of Steve Martin's 'King Tut' instead of the single. Someone recorded SNL when Martin was on.
Yeah, I remember that 'Grease' version, but I don't recall the source. Could have been a Golden West source in LA.
RJ
Yeah, I remember that 'Grease' version, but I don't recall the source. Could have been a Golden West source in LA.
RJ
??? I heard "Money" on Classic Rock KBSG yesterday.....a great good time oldie!!! ;D
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Itchisakimoto
Guest
I am saying that is an Entercom vs CBS Radio thing. Entercom has tucked it's head so far under its shell who knows when they will ever be able to poke it out again. They have totally restricted their air talent from linking to content and and links that might offend somebody while CBS Radio doesn't seem to mind any of it.
I think a certain ladies lawsuit has had a lot to do with Entercom and their policies of late at least in the Seattle cluster.
I think a certain ladies lawsuit has had a lot to do with Entercom and their policies of late at least in the Seattle cluster.
placebo1969 said:So, I'm listening to "Money" by Pink Floyd (like you all needed that information) on KISW and when it came to that line, BS was garbled. On KZOK, they play the unedited, original version. Is this an Entercom vs. CBS Radio thing or KISW vs. KZOK? It's not like I need to hear the "S" word, but in the song it's not gratuitous unlike more modern music. I mean, I must have listened to "Who Are You" hundreds of times before I noticed that f bomb. I appreciate KZOK having the balls to play the unedited songs. Or is it CBS Radio having a say in this? Just curious.
Always quick to blame Robin Erickson for the demise of Entercom.
What short memories people have. Could it be Entercom is paranoid because someone actually DIED because of one of their stunts down in California. They are not letting anyone say or do ANYTHING because they are about to pay major $$ to the family of the woman who died in the water incident. I would say that is being careful wouldn't you?
Robin's lawsuit was nothing compared to that and it is done and over with. LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What short memories people have. Could it be Entercom is paranoid because someone actually DIED because of one of their stunts down in California. They are not letting anyone say or do ANYTHING because they are about to pay major $$ to the family of the woman who died in the water incident. I would say that is being careful wouldn't you?
Robin's lawsuit was nothing compared to that and it is done and over with. LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for all the replies, even though most didn't address my actual question. So is it a coporate thing vs. a local control thing? Just curious.
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Itchisakimoto
Guest
The reigns were being pulled in around the time of said suit and long before the idiot drank herself to death in CA... BJ Shea lost a producer for a contest that poked fun at the mentally challenged and of course they took away all of his features like the bi-curious couch and random racks of kindness. The Political Correctness hung in the Entercom Airwaves like a wet cow pie after BJ & Robin had their big blowout and it went nuclear via lawsuit. I never said Robin Erickson was the demise of Entercom I said their era of new found political correctness began about the time her suit was files at least in the Seattle cluster of Entercom.
TeeTaw said:Always quick to blame Robin Erickson for the demise of Entercom.
What short memories people have. Could it be Entercom is paranoid because someone actually DIED because of one of their stunts down in California. They are not letting anyone say or do ANYTHING because they are about to pay major $$ to the family of the woman who died in the water incident. I would say that is being careful wouldn't you?
Robin's lawsuit was nothing compared to that and it is done and over with. LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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