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Cool Bobby B and his Doo Wop Stop show every Sunday from 9 to 12midnight is a great collection of doo wop its heard on Sirius/XM, fantastic selection. But I just found out last week that WIBBAGE also airs it. I listened on line last week and the show is close to the satellite but with commercial breaks. It would be nice if OGL picked up this show either on their main or one subchannel, it is so much better than H.L.'s bias offering. Before you say H.L.'s show is local flavor, Philly sounds, CBB is from Philly and his show has the Philly/NYC doo wop sound, plenty of blue eyed cuts also. On another note, why is OGL not utilizing their HD-4, what is the reason for this, so much can be put on their HD-4 in regard to oldies formats.
 
while there is an audience for this fabulous music, the show is a snore and a bore. and the proof is in it's dismal arbitron numbers, repeatedly, for years on that station. unfamiliar, rare, unreleased, and b-sides of mid to bottom charters for hours on end are no way to spend your electric bill for your transmitter. listeners just don't care. (that's what the internet is for) if he played the hits, and only the hits, the show would be listenable. i loved don k. reed at wcbs-fm, but told him, respectfully and lovingly, the same thing to his face. jerry blavatt, too, becasue i wanted to see a particular project succeed.

those songs are going on 55 years old my friend. imaging it being 1965, and some 'old guy' was on the radio when we were kids, playing 78's from 1910. it's same time shift. if he would 'set up' a single rare song, with the history of it and the group, and the relevance of why he's going to take 2 and a half minutes of my life away for his pleasure, not mine, to play it...and it better be a good reason...he could do that once an hour. but it's sometimes song after song after song. i hear the same mistake being made by other 'part-time' jocks on other stations.

it takes discipline to when you have freedom in programming decisions. i have a hard time justifying the playing of skeeter davis' 'can't stay mad at you', a personal favorite that was a hit, but forgotten. i set it up with a carol king tribute, explaining she wrote it, and she sings the background vocals on the song. it works that way. then recover with a hit, not a stiff or the b-side to a one hit wonder.
 
www.oldiesradio1620.com runs Cool Bobby B on Saturday afternoon 2 til 5 PM and repeats it Sunday same time. For a number of years, Cool Bobby B was on all of the Clear Channel stations that featured an oldies format but they shelved it when they pulled the oldiess formats from their stations (such as WSAI-1530). The Doo Wop Stop has been on the station here for over 2 years as well as Ron Norwood's 'Doo Wop Express' (formerly on WKAP-1470 when they were oldies) noon til 2 Saturday and repeated Sunday also. If the "Doo Wop Vault" hadn't stopped sending us shows, we'd be running that too. If there wasn't a market for doo wop, then why are the doo wop shows at the American Music Theatre in Lancaster SOLD OUT any time they have one?
 
I also noticed on WIBG, the stereo effect is much wider and separated, than on Sirius and I was surprised to hear many doo wop tunes in full dimensional stereo. I guess the only good thing I can say about OGL's HD-2 70's is the Sunday speciality show America Top 40, yesterday it was 1975 and it was so good to hear Chevy Van from Sammy Johns....wow...
 
Gunsmoke and Dave, thank you for your kind words about my show! As fo amfmsw, I am surprised, when you spoke like that to Don K. Reed, that you are still on this green earth. Personally, I would have punched your lights out Don K Reed and Jerry Blavat are two of the most influential disc jockeys ever born. Any monkey can play the "hits" over and over again! And, I agree it gets good numbers. Look, I once had a co-worker who bragged to me that he had a copy of every Beatles record every pressed. So what, so do millions of other people. And, I mean millions. You don't understand what I do, what Jerry does, or what Don does. No one cares about your analysis. We don't do it for the safe program directors who think a verbal set up means anything to the audience. We do it for the real people out there, for the listeners looking for a weekly change of pace, enjoying a special interest of theirs. You don't understand what we do. And, understand this clearly, we don't want to do what you do. We don't want to be like everyone else. We want to be different and to be liked and remembered for bringing a special pleasure into real folk's lives. We're not going to be a commodity or even act like one. We love what we do and we are proud and lucky to be able to do it.
 
[quote On another note, why is OGL not utilizing their HD-4, what is the reason for this, so much can be put on their HD-4 in regard to oldies formats.
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I'm not an engineer, but the way I understand it, HD broadcasting allows 96kbs of audio. if you split that into 4, each channel would have only 24kbs of audio, yuck. Most stations broadcast the simulcast of their main analog channel (HD-1) using the highest bitrate. In other words; if you're doing 2 HD channels, the HD-1 simulcast would get 64kbs and the HD-2 might get 32kbs. You can divide the 96 any way you like. Some allow very little for HD-3. You can do HD-4, but I wouldn't want to listen to it, especially if they're playing music. That might be why WOGL doesn't do it. If there's an engineer in the house, maybe you can correct or clarify what I've said. BTW, kudo's to hylitradio.com for doing 128kbs!! That's why it sounds so good.
 
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[quote On another note, why is OGL not utilizing their HD-4, what is the reason for this, so much can be put on their HD-4 in regard to oldies formats.
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I'm not an engineer, but the way I understand it, HD broadcasting allows 96kbs of audio. if you split that into 4, each channel would have only 24kbs of audio, yuck. Most stations broadcast the simulcast of their main analog channel (HD-1) using the highest bitrate. In other words; if you're doing 2 HD channels, the HD-1 simulcast would get 64kbs and the HD-2 might get 32kbs. You can divide the 96 any way you like. Some allow very little for HD-3. You can do HD-4, but I wouldn't want to listen to it, especially if they're playing music. That might be why WOGL doesn't do it. If there's an engineer in the house, maybe you can correct or clarify what I've said. BTW, kudo's to hylitradio.com for doing 128kbs!! That's why it sounds so good.
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To my knowledge, WIYY in Baltimore utilizes 5 HD's, 2 is Classic Rock, 3 is Indie Rock, 4 is BAL Radio and 5 is Bal TV 11 and I have heard Indie on their HD-3 and it sounds really good. Then OGL can place Classic Oldies on their HD-3 and move PHT to their HD-4.
 
bobby: no, i do get what you're goal is. jerry too. i love the music, too. i own original pressings of the del vikings 'come go with me'/'whispering bell' on red fee-bee, 'i'll be forever loving you' by jordon & the fascinations on yellow dapt, cleftones on red gee 1001. i know the music, i know the history. but the average listener does not. the jock's job is to garner and hold onto the largest audience possible for as many quarter hours possible.

how does it fit on the air in 2011, a half century later? jerry is so blessed (and brilliant) that he buys his time and resells it, hence, buying his programming freedom. the clients know what they're getting, and are happy.

bobby, if my writing came as harsh, i publicly apologize to you. that said, what i was trying to express, NOT singling your show out (it got lumped in) it's my opinion that most do-wop shows have lost their way in playing and triggering OUR memories, and instead have become showcases of 'look what i found'. this is where sam succeeds, i believe. besides the unprecidented presentation, he knows the line, and knows when to leave things out. with some jocks, it's the kitchen sink, strainer, drain and disposer too! (and yes, i have played jordan & fascinations on the air many times, but showcased it and set it apart as a spotlight...it's a great record)
 
Interesting posts. Bobby , I listened to your show on XM from time to time or when it's available. And when I here the intro where it states "just like he sounded back on the radio from 1957".....just wondering , what station and market were you on back then?




cool bobby b said:
Gunsmoke and Dave, thank you for your kind words about my show! As fo amfmsw, I am surprised, when you spoke like that to Don K. Reed, that you are still on this green earth. Personally, I would have punched your lights out Don K Reed and Jerry Blavat are two of the most influential disc jockeys ever born. Any monkey can play the "hits" over and over again! And, I agree it gets good numbers. Look, I once had a co-worker who bragged to me that he had a copy of every Beatles record every pressed. So what, so do millions of other people. And, I mean millions. You don't understand what I do, what Jerry does, or what Don does. No one cares about your analysis. We don't do it for the safe program directors who think a verbal set up means anything to the audience. We do it for the real people out there, for the listeners looking for a weekly change of pace, enjoying a special interest of theirs. You don't understand what we do. And, understand this clearly, we don't want to do what you do. We don't want to be like everyone else. We want to be different and to be liked and remembered for bringing a special pleasure into real folk's lives. We're not going to be a commodity or even act like one. We love what we do and we are proud and lucky to be able to do it.
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Sam, I was wondering about your Dad's liners on the radio, if he happened to record more that wasn't aired before he passed away. Do you have anymore of his liners that was recorded?


Sam Lit said:
John1 said:
Say What?
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in his codings "H.L." refers to Harvey Holidays real name (apparently meant as a put-down?)
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Oh, OK. I get it. "H.L." Harvey Levy.

Thanks for the clairification J1!
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cool bobby b said:
We do it for the real people out there, for the listeners looking for a weekly change of pace, enjoying a special interest of theirs. You don't understand what we do. And, understand this clearly, we don't want to do what you do. We don't want to be like everyone else. We want to be different and to be liked and remembered for bringing a special pleasure into real folk's lives. We're not going to be a commodity or even act like one. We love what we do and we are proud and lucky to be able to do it.
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Damn straight. Doo wop isn't a "mass appeal"....it ain't for everybody. What Blavat, HH, you & others (myself included) do means allot to listeners. I get up early every Saturday to do a doo wop show on the AM station I program, and I get more feedback from that show then from the morning show I do other 5 days a week. It's fun to spin tunes that would have the average consultant screaming bloody murder, but lights up the phones from listeners - The Stars from the Ocapellos being one of 'em.

You can play the hits...but add the flavor to keep from getting stale. Playing "Whispering Bells" and "Blue Moon" every week gets old...

And remember, "God Digs Doo Wops"...
 
cool bobby b said:
I am surprised, when you spoke like that to Don K. Reed, that you are still on this green earth. Personally, I would have punched your lights......

No one cares about your analysis.
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Wow. You'd think after years in the business you'd have grown a slightly thicker skin.

This is a radio board, and I care about amfmsw's analysis. He's obviously a fan of the music and radio. He has a pragmatic view of where specialty shows might fit in today's broadcast landscape and the line between specialty entertainment and what he views as self-indulgence.

Let's face it, and this has been true for more than 20 years now, the people who still listen to commercial music radio on a regular basis either enjoy the repetition and lack of depth or are unmotivated to search out other forms of entertainment, relegating radio to a background role. In a media environment where rich programming via the internet and satellite is available 24-7, there is likely a small dedicated group of appointment listeners to specialty shows on terrestrial radio. Given that reality, and the ever tightening bottom line in a PPM-driven world, amfmsw's commentary is at least relevant.

If specialty shows targeting a demographic that's quickly aging out of advertisers' sightlines can survive and thrive on commercial terrestrial radio, more power to them. But even a niche specialty producer can't afford to be completely incognizant of the industry around him.

Look, I once had a co-worker who bragged to me that he had a copy of every Beatles record every pressed. So what, so do millions of other people. And, I mean millions.
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Yep, and that doesn't take anything away from arguably the single most influencial group in popular music history. And some of those obscure Beatles demos are pretty cool for a select audience. Just like doo wop rarities.

I have a lot of music in my extensive library that most people have never heard of, and probably never will. It's really good stuff too. But that alone doesn't make me any cooler than the next guy.
 
WIBBAGE FM DOO WOP STOP

WIBBAGE FM @ 94.3 carries Cool Bobby B Sunday nights
9pm till midnight. Tremendous response to it and our
WIBBAGE Jocks. You can listen to it at ww.wibg.fm
 
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