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> Dear Radio-Info visitor:
>
> This is one of the hardest letters I have had to ever write.
>
>
> As many of you have heard by now Doug Fleming our site owner
> and co-founder was missing since last weekend. I am deeply
> saddened to report to you, Doug has passed away.
>

I never met the man but he was responsible for helping create one of the very ebst sites on the Internet, a gathering for all people who love the ins and outs of radio and television and I'm sure he realized that everyday.

RIP Doug. And thank you for everything.
 
Re: Doug Fleming Memorial Services

> Bill,
>
> I respectfully held back from asking but I did wonder what
> was happening with any sort of memorial and/or funeral
> arrangements. Thank you for keeping us informed.
>

Tony, and everyone else, thank you for the respect towards the family.

As far as the time.....it is hard for his family to grieve and to arrange a memorial service in 2 parts of the nation. And the nature of his passing, being missing for 3 days, the Nevada authorities have launched an investigation which is normal procedure in cases like this. Without disrespecting his family, I can say the initial autopsy found that Doug's passing was determined to be of natural causes.

But his family is quickly realizing how many peoples lives Doug touched upon.

Thank you again and have a great day. Happiness to you & yours.<P ID="signature">______________

"Z"
Music Coordinator/Technical Support</P>
 
> Dear Radio-Info visitor:
>
> This is one of the hardest letters I have had to ever write.
>
>
> As many of you have heard by now Doug Fleming our site owner
> and co-founder was missing since last weekend. I am deeply
> saddened to report to you, Doug has passed away.
>
> His family requested I inform the Radio-Info visitors on
> this heartbreaking news, and waited until this time,
> honoring their request.
>
> At this time I am sorry, I can’t provide any details of his
> death, and there have been no wake/funeral plans made. I
> promise you, please be patient, you will be made aware of
> arrangements as soon as the family makes them public.
>
> Any questions or thoughts to be shared, are to be directed
> to [email protected]. I will NOT be able to discuss any
> personal details even via e-mail. Please honor that request.
>
>
> I have been in contact with Tanim, Lance and Sam, during
> this sad time, as they have worked very closely with Doug,
> and I know 1st hand, the respect and honor Doug had for
> these fine individuals that made and make Radio-Info
> possible. But Doug’s family and I ask please do NOT contact
> them with questions, as they will not be able to answer them
> for you.
>
> I have discussed with Sam & Lance, in the next few days they
> will be making e-mail accounts where you can leave your
> thoughts so the family can access and read them. Also,
> Lance, Tanim and Sam will be working on a tribute for Doug
> to be posted soon on the site.
>
> As I am the person sharing this with you, and if you did not
> know Doug, my relationship with Doug and his family is as
> follows.
>
> I have known Doug for a good amount of years. I watched him
> grow from a teen to an adult. I am a few years older than
> him, and he always respected me 110%, and I honored him for
> it. I love him like the brother I never had. He was the kind
> of person that could light my toe on fire and I could not
> stay mad at him. He was smart, compassionate, and loved
> people. And many loved him the same way.
>
> He has a loving mother, father and sister. I have built a
> relationship with his family, and I always feel at ease when
> around them and in their house, and I cherish the feeling.
> Doug lived his life around love and happiness, being guided
> by his family, making him the great person he was and will
> always be in our hearts.
>
> Let me say, Doug made it clear to me that he was so proud,
> thankful and he was honored at every visitor that visited
> Radio-Info.com, and wished he could thank everyone that
> visited or participated for making the site as successful as
> it is today. He never envisioned the site growing to such
> popularity.
>
> While we are filled with sadness, I know Doug would not want
> us to be sad for long. So I ask for you to reflect, as you
> see fit, in memory or prayer, to Doug, his family, and all
> his loved ones.
>
> Bill
>
God bless the family at this time<P ID="signature">______________
The Truth will set u free</P>
 
Re: UNFAIR CENSORSHIP

> > If you think it's better up there, you're missing out on a
>
> > lot of great things going on down here.
> >
>
> From what I've read, Doug seemed to experience those great
> things on a daily basis. He lived life, he didn't hide from
> it. Which is why your post (Mod, not Lance) is totally out
> of place and ignorant.
>

I agree. It just breaks my heart this type of discussion started. How lives are meaningless. As Lance said, all lives are meaningful, no matter what.<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin

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Re: UNFAIR CENSORSHIP

> > Well, we meet again.
> >
> > I think it's time you opted out of participating in this
> > particular thread.
>
> Why opt out? Because I speak the truth that our world is
> bleak and those who are dead are far better off than those
> who are alive? We let rapists and murderers off scot free,
> keep killers in office, and are moving to a polarized,
> extreme theocracy depending on which nation you are in. We
> let criminals live for years at the cost of millions from
> taxpayers but that same money could have been used to help
> save millions of innocent, young people who have AIDS,
> cancer, or get lost in remote areas. Why not comment on how
> Doug's untimely passing is a commentary on how screwed up
> our world is and how anyone reading this should get out of
> it and soon.
>
> Andrew Ridgley had the wrong thing written on his shirt.
>

How does ANY of this help the Fleming Family? Hindsight is always 20/20.
Why complain about what SHOULD have happened? It serves no purpose other than to insert your personal outrage about the situation.
 
> As many of you have heard by now Doug Fleming our site owner
> and co-founder was missing since last weekend. I am deeply
> saddened to report to you, Doug has passed away.

The Chicago Sun-Times reported on the sad story today. My condolences to his
family, and all of those here at Radio-Info.com who felt his loss.

You can read it here:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/feder/cst-fin-feder04.html

It's the last article in the "Dialing" section of the column.

Gilbert
 
A Message From Doug Fleming's Dad

I am Rick Fleming, the father of Doug Fleming. I want to thank all the Radio-Info visitors for the many kind thoughts and words of comfort that you have extended to our family during the last few weeks. Words cannot describe the grief we have been experiencing, but knowing how much our son was respected and liked has helped us during this difficult time. Doug was very proud of Radio-Info, and he loved this site. Our family believes in Radio-Info, and we want to help it grow and be even better. My wife, Diana, and I look foward to working with the Radio-Info staff to accomplish their goals and dreams for this site. And, we also want to reassure the many users and customers of the site that we are supportive and look foward to their suggestions on how we can help Radio-Info achieve its full potential. Please be patient with us during the next few weeks as we are going to be celebrating Doug's life at services in Roseville, Ca. on August 12 and in Chicago on August 19 (his birthday) and please join us if you can. Thank you once again for your support.

Rick Fleming
 
How was this possible?

> The Chicago Sun-Times reported on the sad story today. My
> condolences to his
> family, and all of those here at Radio-Info.com who felt his
> loss.
>
> You can read it here:
>
> http://www.suntimes.com/output/feder/cst-fin-feder04.html

Has anybody heard anything more about the circumstances surrounding Doug's death?
I find it hard to believe that a healthy young man could die after only two days of being stranded in the desert. In any case, my condolences to his family and friends.
 
Re: How was this possible?

> > The Chicago Sun-Times reported on the sad story today. My
> > condolences to his
> > family, and all of those here at Radio-Info.com who felt
> his
> > loss.
> >
> > You can read it here:
> >
> > http://www.suntimes.com/output/feder/cst-fin-feder04.html
>
> Has anybody heard anything more about the circumstances
> surrounding Doug's death?
> I find it hard to believe that a healthy young man could die
> after only two days of being stranded in the desert. In any
> case, my condolences to his family and friends.
>

Ahhh, two days in the desert with (presumably) little-to-no food and/or water.........AND TEMPERATURES SOARING OVER 100 DEGREES!!!!

Alright, my friend, now what is it that you don't understand?

By the way, you may (or may not) recall a few years back when sixteen illegal aliens were left stranded out in the middle of the Arizona desert by smugglers and they all died in less than two days!

The desert is like one great, big oven..........are you aware of that, Scribbler??


I get the feeling you're not.
 
Re: How was this possible?

> > Has anybody heard anything more about the circumstances
> > surrounding Doug's death?
> > I find it hard to believe that a healthy young man could
> die
> > after only two days of being stranded in the desert. In
> any
> > case, my condolences to his family and friends.
> >
>
> Ahhh, two days in the desert with (presumably) little-to-no
> food and/or water.........AND TEMPERATURES SOARING OVER 100
> DEGREES!!!!
>
> Alright, my friend, now what is it that you don't
> understand?
>
> By the way, you may (or may not) recall a few years back
> when sixteen illegal aliens were left stranded out in the
> middle of the Arizona desert by smugglers and they all died
> in less than two days!
>
> The desert is like one great, big oven..........are you
> aware of that, Scribbler??
>
>
> I get the feeling you're not.

Thanks for the snarky reply. But unlike the illegal aliens, he had shade (his vehicle), presumably knew that it would be more than 100 degrees, and therefore took water with him. I take plenty of water with me when it's 70, 80, 90, or 100 degrees.

And I've experienced 100+ degree temperatures in the past, in the desert and elsewhere.

I'm not trying to blame the victim here. I was just wondering if anything more was known. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Scribbler on 08/09/05 04:05 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: How was this possible?

> > > Has anybody heard anything more about the circumstances
> > > surrounding Doug's death?
> > > I find it hard to believe that a healthy young man could
>
> > die
> > > after only two days of being stranded in the desert. In
>
> > any
> > > case, my condolences to his family and friends.
> > >
> >
> > Ahhh, two days in the desert with (presumably)
> little-to-no
> > food and/or water.........AND TEMPERATURES SOARING OVER
> 100
> > DEGREES!!!!
> >
> > Alright, my friend, now what is it that you don't
> > understand?
> >
> > By the way, you may (or may not) recall a few years back
> > when sixteen illegal aliens were left stranded out in the
> > middle of the Arizona desert by smugglers and they all
> died
> > in less than two days!
> >
> > The desert is like one great, big oven..........are you
> > aware of that, Scribbler??
> >
> >
> > I get the feeling you're not.
>
> Thanks for the snarky reply. But unlike the illegal aliens,
> he had shade (his vehicle), presumably knew that it would be
> more than 100 degrees, and therefore took water with him. I
> take plenty of water with me when it's 70, 80, 90, or 100
> degrees.
>
> And I've experienced 100+ degree temperatures in the past,
> in the desert and elsewhere.
>
> I'm not trying to blame the victim here. I was just
> wondering if anything more was known. Sorry if I ruffled
> your feathers.
>

His vehicle was still a very warm place to be.....shade or not.
He may have only taken a bottle of water or two, not knowing he'd need more because of unusual circumstances he'd find himself dealing with.

When you said in your first post "I find it hard to believe...blah, blah, blah" it showed your inability to see this unfortunate situation as being any different from any "desert encounter" you may have had in your life.--But that's okay Scrib, you're not the first (or only) person in this world to view life and all of its problems through your eyes, and your eyes only. Whatever.

And by the way.....maybe healthy young men do die in the desert from heat, and heat alone! What's so odd about that? And also...you really should be asking your question on another board. This thread is for condolences.
 
Re: Doug Fleming Memorial Services-Noted in Reno paper

This Sunday's Los Angeles Times as well.

I was at work looking through the newspaper and by accident I turned to the obituary section (which I never did before) and I saw it right there. It gave me chills for a second and then I read all his accomplishments and was proud to have been associated with Doug in some way.

> The services are noted in this obituary in the Reno
> Gazette-Journal:
> http://www.rgj.com/obits/index.php?id=13770
>
> Quite a lot accomplished in his 27 years.
>
>
> TedL
>
 
Re: How was this possible?

Not to un-necessarily repeat what's been posted elswhere, but...

The Reno newspaper reported on the story on July 25th.

http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2005/07/25/104973.php

It's not clear from the story just where he was found or exactly what happened.

An investigation is apparently underway, according to the post (today) about memorial services being held in Roseville, CA and in Chicago.

The Black Rock desert is a very large place, and there are some quirks related to driving out there that can cause problems. Cell phones don't work since most of the area is way far away from cell sites. Temps in Lovelock, the nearest Nat. WX. Svc recording station were (if I recall correctly,) 107-102-105 over the three day period.

> > The Chicago Sun-Times reported on the sad story today. My
> > condolences to his
> > family, and all of those here at Radio-Info.com who felt
> his
> > loss.
> >
> > You can read it here:
> >
> > http://www.suntimes.com/output/feder/cst-fin-feder04.html
>
> Has anybody heard anything more about the circumstances
> surrounding Doug's death?
> I find it hard to believe that a healthy young man could die
> after only two days of being stranded in the desert. In any
> case, my condolences to his family and friends.
>
 
Re: Doug Fleming Memorial Services-Noted in Reno paper

> This Sunday's Los Angeles Times as well.
>
> I was at work looking through the newspaper and by accident
> I turned to the obituary section (which I never did before)
> and I saw it right there. It gave me chills for a second and
> then I read all his accomplishments and was proud to have
> been associated with Doug in some way.

It sometimes seems we learn more about people as they pass on than we knew or realized while they were with us... and how much can be done in what appears to us now to be a short time. It looks like Doug lived with gusto.

And in his passing, there are a number of Chicago-based organizations that will be tied to his life through memorial contributions.

Just wondering if the Times carried the same text as in the Reno paper? Its not online.

I'm glad he felt moved to start Radio-Info.com. It may seem in some ways like a trivial thing... an inexpensive (to us users, anyway) way to let people discuss--passionately--an industry that's not just an industry to those of us who connect here.

In doing so, he linked people together into a network that may be more effective at communicating than the broadcasts networks are at tying the country together except in times of great stress.

Maybe Radio-Info.com has had some effect on the practices and policies of the radio and television business and those who oversee it. Hard to gauge that.

I happened to see where someone had made note of his last post here on July 14... and observed that he was interested in radio across the entire country. His last post was enquiring about a change to a couple of Clear Channel stations in (Tupelo? I think it was).

Interesting man. I'm sure that those attending the memorial services in Roseville and Chicago will learn yet more about him.

Ted.

>
> > The services are noted in this obituary in the Reno
> > Gazette-Journal:
> > http://www.rgj.com/obits/index.php?id=13770
> >
> > Quite a lot accomplished in his 27 years.
> >
> >
> > TedL
> >
>
 
Re: Doug Fleming Memorial Services-Noted in Reno paper

Sorry to sound insensitive, but what did Doug die of? Natural Causes? Did he die on a bike ride?

> The services are noted in this obituary in the Reno
> Gazette-Journal:
> http://www.rgj.com/obits/index.php?id=13770
>
> Quite a lot accomplished in his 27 years.
>
>
> TedL
>
 
Re: Doug Fleming Memorial Services-Noted in Reno paper

I'll refer you to the Obituary, as I know nothing more than that.'

Ted.

> Sorry to sound insensitive, but what did Doug die of?
> Natural Causes? Did he die on a bike ride?
>
> > The services are noted in this obituary in the Reno
> > Gazette-Journal:
> > http://www.rgj.com/obits/index.php?id=13770
> >
> > Quite a lot accomplished in his 27 years.
> >
> >
> > TedL
> >
>
 
Re: How was this possible?

> > The desert is like one great, big oven..........are you
> > aware of that, Scribbler??
> >
> >
> > I get the feeling you're not.
>
> Thanks for the snarky reply. But unlike the illegal aliens,
> he had shade (his vehicle), presumably knew that it would be
> more than 100 degrees, and therefore took water with him. I
> take plenty of water with me when it's 70, 80, 90, or 100
> degrees.
>
> And I've experienced 100+ degree temperatures in the past,
> in the desert and elsewhere.
>
> I'm not trying to blame the victim here. I was just
> wondering if anything more was known. Sorry if I ruffled
> your feathers.
>
Perhaps you have never lived in the west, so you do not understand how it is. In temperatures such as those that occurred last month in the Black Rock Desert, you would need a MINIMUM of one gallon of water per person per day to prevent dehydration. The relative humidity out there would only be between 5 and 15% - so you dry out fast. And, that alone would not protect you from heat stroke caused by the hot temperatures and exposure. The Black Rock Desert is a place with no trees or bushes to offer shade. It's all open. And, no drinkable water of any sort either. Nothing.

Not to mention that a vehicle DOES NOT offer reasonable protection. Do you realize that the temperature inside an exposed vehicle (with doors/windows open) would still be at least 120 degrees during the day? You can thank a version of the "greenhouse effect" for that. That car would truly be like an oven. You could not stay there during daylight. However, the desert is so vast that the car would be your only hope of being seen. So, you would want to stay close. Any attempt to walk out would be futile under those conditions.

Many of the pioneers died in places like this. Without a car or cellphone, people today stand no better chance of survival than they did. I hope that this adds a little perspective on how a tragedy like Doug suffered could easily occur. None of us would have fared any better than he did.
 
Re: How was this possible?

> > > The desert is like one great, big oven..........are you
> > > aware of that, Scribbler??
> > >
> > >
> > > I get the feeling you're not.
> >
> > Thanks for the snarky reply. But unlike the illegal
> aliens,
> > he had shade (his vehicle), presumably knew that it would
> be
> > more than 100 degrees, and therefore took water with him.
> I
> > take plenty of water with me when it's 70, 80, 90, or 100
> > degrees.
> >
> > And I've experienced 100+ degree temperatures in the past,
>
> > in the desert and elsewhere.
> >
> > I'm not trying to blame the victim here. I was just
> > wondering if anything more was known. Sorry if I ruffled
> > your feathers.
> >
> Perhaps you have never lived in the west, so you do not
> understand how it is. In temperatures such as those that
> occurred last month in the Black Rock Desert, you would need
> a MINIMUM of one gallon of water per person per day to
> prevent dehydration. The relative humidity out there would
> only be between 5 and 15% - so you dry out fast. And, that
> alone would not protect you from heat stroke caused by the
> hot temperatures and exposure. The Black Rock Desert is a
> place with no trees or bushes to offer shade. It's all
> open. And, no drinkable water of any sort either. Nothing.
>
>
> Not to mention that a vehicle DOES NOT offer reasonable
> protection. Do you realize that the temperature inside an
> exposed vehicle (with doors/windows open) would still be at
> least 120 degrees during the day? You can thank a version
> of the "greenhouse effect" for that. That car would truly
> be like an oven. You could not stay there during daylight.
> However, the desert is so vast that the car would be your
> only hope of being seen. So, you would want to stay close.
> Any attempt to walk out would be futile under those
> conditions.
>
> Many of the pioneers died in places like this. Without a
> car or cellphone, people today stand no better chance of
> survival than they did. I hope that this adds a little
> perspective on how a tragedy like Doug suffered could easily
> occur. None of us would have fared any better than he did.
>

Great post! Very true!

By the way, Scribbler insists that "he's been out in the desert before and he knows what it's like..."

Yeah, sure.

Somehow I find that hard to believe!
 
Re: How was this possible?

> > > > The desert is like one great, big oven..........are
> you
> > > > aware of that, Scribbler??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I get the feeling you're not.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the snarky reply. But unlike the illegal
> > aliens,
> > > he had shade (his vehicle), presumably knew that it
> would
> > be
> > > more than 100 degrees, and therefore took water with
> him.
> > I
> > > take plenty of water with me when it's 70, 80, 90, or
> 100
> > > degrees.
> > >
> > > And I've experienced 100+ degree temperatures in the
> past,
> >
> > > in the desert and elsewhere.
> > >
> > > I'm not trying to blame the victim here. I was just
> > > wondering if anything more was known. Sorry if I
> ruffled
> > > your feathers.
> > >
> > Perhaps you have never lived in the west, so you do not
> > understand how it is. In temperatures such as those that
> > occurred last month in the Black Rock Desert, you would
> need
> > a MINIMUM of one gallon of water per person per day to
> > prevent dehydration. The relative humidity out there
> would
> > only be between 5 and 15% - so you dry out fast. And,
> that
> > alone would not protect you from heat stroke caused by the
>
> > hot temperatures and exposure. The Black Rock Desert is a
>
> > place with no trees or bushes to offer shade. It's all
> > open. And, no drinkable water of any sort either.
> Nothing.
> >
> >
> > Not to mention that a vehicle DOES NOT offer reasonable
> > protection. Do you realize that the temperature inside an
>
> > exposed vehicle (with doors/windows open) would still be
> at
> > least 120 degrees during the day? You can thank a version
>
> > of the "greenhouse effect" for that. That car would truly
>
> > be like an oven. You could not stay there during
> daylight.
> > However, the desert is so vast that the car would be your
> > only hope of being seen. So, you would want to stay
> close.
> > Any attempt to walk out would be futile under those
> > conditions.
> >
> > Many of the pioneers died in places like this. Without a
> > car or cellphone, people today stand no better chance of
> > survival than they did. I hope that this adds a little
> > perspective on how a tragedy like Doug suffered could
> easily
> > occur. None of us would have fared any better than he
> did.
> >
>
> Great post! Very true!
>
> By the way, Scribbler insists that "he's been out in the
> desert before and he knows what it's like..."
>
> Yeah, sure.
>
> Somehow I find that hard to believe!
>

From what I have heard, the desert is a very dangerous place. Why would Scribbler think a car would be a good place for shade? Thats even worst!
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