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Doug Layton on WAPI

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BlueRaja

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On Tuesday, May 1, 2007, on WAPI Radio, Doug Layton was asked what he thought should be done about Hispanic immigrants marching on that day. He responded,"I think we ought to shoot them." A caller added, "Would I get points if I ran some of them down with my truck?"

What do you guys think about this? Doug says he was joking and the quote was taken out of context, but this morning, John Ed and Doug Layton were replaced by syndicated programming. Do you think this is as bad or even worse than what Don Imus said?
 
BlueRaja said:
On Tuesday, May 1, 2007, on WAPI Radio, Doug Layton was asked what he thought should be done about Hispanic immigrants marching on that day. He responded,"I think we ought to shoot them." A caller added, "Would I get points if I ran some of them down with my truck?"

What do you guys think about this? Doug says he was joking and the quote was taken out of context, but this morning, John Ed and Doug Layton were replaced by syndicated programming. Do you think this is as bad or even worse than what Don Imus said?

Given that the brouhaha over Imus' comments took place just a month ago, Layton's a moron for not knowing better (or more accurately, DOING better). Probably not much of a loss.
 
I do think it's worse than what Imus said, but nothing worth getting fired over. The wussification of America continues.

Look, I got aspects of my life that could cause me to be easily offended when someone pokes fun at those attributes... But ya know what? Like most normal people I grew a pair and stopped getting offended. Why is this such a problem? It's like there's certain groups out there who want to "take down" talk radio because of these inappropriate moments. I won't speculate what groups these are for risk of being called a rascist (by, ironically, people who couldn't even tell me the definition of the word!) or hatemonger. ::)

Just another reason to go to satellite radio.
 
If I may (being new to the area and all), the physiological maturation to which Zach makes such a Tony Soprano-esque reference ought rightly to correspond to Mr. Layton having the maturity to refuse uttering things on the air he wouldn't say face-to-face. Does anyone honestly think he would stand in a group of Hispanic immigrants and say "I think we ought to do our best to murder all of you"? Or is it just possible that his discourse, face-to-face, might be a wee bit more measured?

Granted, many people in these United States are too easily offended; however, on the flip side, there are those for whom offending comes much too easily. There's a way to do talk radio without the childish, schoolyard banter, you know.
 
Mike Bratton said:
If I may (being new to the area and all), the physiological maturation to which Zach makes such a Tony Soprano-esque reference ought rightly to correspond to Mr. Layton having the maturity to refuse uttering things on the air he wouldn't say face-to-face. Does anyone honestly think he would stand in a group of Hispanic immigrants and say "I think we ought to do our best to murder all of you"? Or is it just possible that his discourse, face-to-face, might be a wee bit more measured?

You make a good point, but keep in mind he didn't say "I think we ought to do our best to murder all of you?" He merely implied it. Supposedly, his was a 'joking' manner. I'm sure that in a face-to-face meeting, one would notice the facial expression, gestures and tone, and conclude appropriately.

Mike Bratton said:
Granted, many people in these United States are too easily offended; however, on the flip side, there are those for whom offending comes much too easily. There's a way to do talk radio without the childish, schoolyard banter, you know.

I would like to note that I think what he said was completely boneheaded and stupid, but I'm latching onto this because of the larger issue at hand. Layton's comments were decidely in poor taste and inappropriate, but this will empower other organizations to take a harder look at the radio landscape as a whole, and the next target will probably be someone who really didn't say anything all that harsh.

What may be an ever bigger problem to me is how these radio companies so easily cave in to outside pressure. Whatever happened to saying, "I'm sorry," getting suspended and then going back to work? I bet Doug has already been fired, no questions asked.

If this were an isolated incident, I could see the reasoning more easily. But considering how stupid the whole Imus debacle was (considering he said nothing more offensive that day than any other show he did in the last 30 freakin' years), I'm worried about talk radio in general.

Maybe Layton's situation is a no-brainer (suggesting killing someone? Ouch.) Imus' was iffy (really, who should be offended outside of the ladies and family/friends of that basketball team?) But then there's JV & Elvis, another popular CBS talk show, who really shouldn't have gotten canned... What did they do that was so offensive? They dared to play a bit where a computerized voice talks to an Asian person on the telephone, enunciating in a stereotypically Chinese-y way of talking... Nevermind the bit's been aired more than once before (and it was from back in their San Fran days, where Asians are a large percent of the population) but all the sudden some group felt empowered, post-Imus, to bitch about it and bam - they're indefinitely suspended.

The same company that lovingly ferried them to market #1 didn't hesitate to pull them off the air immediately for something they apparently condoned months ago on another of their radio stations.

Lest I forget to mention 'the kicker' to all this: Milwaukee has this certifiable talk show host who recently said, on air, that he was happy his competitor's mother died in a house fire. He went so far as to suggest her son killed her, and that she had what was coming to her.

Why no outrage on this one? The one saying the mean things: he's black.

As a radio industry outsider, I see an industry that is stumbling towards a bleak future at the hands of iPods, the internet and satellite radio. While not always a ratings winner, the Hot Talk format is bringing new ears into the fray, and now it's being cut off at the knees. It won't be long before sports commentators and political talk show hosts are in the sights of half-baked advocacy groups looking to make a name for themselves.

Heck, political talker Neal Boortz, no stranger to saying stupid things, has been feeling the heat lately for some insensitive comments on the VT shootings. At least Cox is standing behind him (no doubt because he's a ratings winner over there in the ATL), which is more than I can say for some other companies.

Sorry for the rant, but this issue really bothers me.

Mike, I hope this doesn't detract from your points, because you make some good ones... It's just I believe that there's room for the childish radio along with the intelligent, because some of us still have immature sides that like to be entertained.

Oh and welcome to Birmingham, if that's the area you're new to. ;D I sure miss my hometown!
 
Zach said:
You make a good point, but keep in mind he didn't say "I think we ought to do our best to murder all of you?"  He merely implied it.  Supposedly, his was a 'joking' manner.  I'm sure that in a face-to-face meeting, one would notice the facial expression, gestures and tone, and conclude appropriately.

Since I didn't hear it firsthand, your supposition is definitely worth considering.

However, the OP quoted Mr. Layton as saying "I think we ought to shoot them," and then responding to a caller by asking "Would I get points if I ran some of them down with my truck?"  Planning in advance to kill one person, or a hundred, by the misuse of either a Smith & Wesson or an F-150 can be categorized as a joke, but it's far removed from being funny.  Michael Richards was trying to be funny, as was Don Imus. 

Speaking of what's funny, I'm reminded of a story that's told about Lorne Michaels.  When he began Saturday Night Live, Mr. Michaels gave notice that everything and everyone in our society was fair game for a joke, a lampoon (pun intended), or satire.  Everything, even death, could be funny.  A few years later, after the death of John Belushi, a reporter who was there for that declaration sat down again with Mr. Michaels; in that interview, he was asked when SNL would begin to tell jokes about Mr. Belushi's death--since everything, even death, could be funny, surely the death of a great comic actor like Mr. Belushi would make great material.  Unleashing a spew of obscenities, Mr. Michaels threw the reporter out.

Some things aren't funny.  If Mr. Layton's response will consist of "Hey, it was a joke," it will be indicative of a real problem.

I would like to note that I think what he said was completely boneheaded and stupid, but I'm latching onto this because of the larger issue at hand.  Layton's comments were decidely in poor taste and inappropriate, but this will empower other organizations to take a harder look at the radio landscape as a whole, and the next target will probably be someone who really didn't say anything all that harsh.

The best way to avoid a slippery slope is to stay away from what's slippery.

What may be an ever bigger problem to me is how these radio companies so easily cave in to outside pressure.  Whatever happened to saying, "I'm sorry," getting suspended and then going back to work?  I bet Doug has already been fired, no questions asked. 

According to published reports, Mr. Layton hasn't had much comment, other than to say he has not been suspended, nor has he been fired. 

From what I understand, he hasn't apologized, either.

If this were an isolated incident, I could see the reasoning more easily.  But considering how stupid the whole Imus debacle was (considering he said nothing more offensive that day than any other show he did in the last 30 freakin' years), I'm worried about talk radio in general.

As am I.  Juvenile, pugilistic, and otherwise irresponsible performances have permeated the field, and it would be refreshing to see a counter-wave of grownups being funny, entertaining, and compelling without being purposefully offensive.

Maybe Layton's situation is a no-brainer (suggesting killing someone? Ouch.)  Imus' was iffy (really, who should be offended outside of the ladies and family/friends of that basketball team?)  But then there's JV & Elvis, another popular CBS talk show, who really shouldn't have gotten canned... What did they do that was so offensive?  They dared to play a bit where a computerized voice talks to an Asian person on the telephone, enunciating in a stereotypically Chinese-y way of talking...  Nevermind the bit's been aired more than once before (and it was from back in their San Fran days, where Asians are a large percent of the population) but all the sudden some group felt empowered, post-Imus, to bitch about it and bam - they're indefinitely suspended.

The matter of Mr. Imus' remarks to the Rutgers ladies shouldn't be a matter of offense to society at large as much as it should be a matter of Mr. Imus' talent.  If using ethnic and gender slurs against young women is his "A" game, he deserved to be benched; as far as I'm concerned, he never had a real "A" game in the first place.  I'm less familiar with the context of JV & Elvis' difficulties, but they seem to be individuals who go for cheap laughs as opposed to, again, more grown-up material.

The same company that lovingly ferried them to market #1 didn't hesitate to pull them off the air immediately for something they apparently condoned months ago on another of their radio stations.

Do we know that their bosses approved of all their gags?

Lest I forget to mention 'the kicker' to all this:  Milwaukee has this certifiable talk show host who recently said, on air, that he was happy his competitor's mother died in a house fire.  He went so far as to suggest her son killed her, and that she had what was coming to her.

Why no outrage on this one?  The one saying the mean things: he's black.

Michael McGee, Sr. also suggested that Charlie Sykes killed his mother for the inheritance--don't forget that.

The relative lack of outrage has more to do with influence than with race, though that double-standard cannot be ignored completely.  Mr. McGee's program is brokered, and airs on a station with a very small reach and a very small listenership.  His shtick is, and has been, bigoted ethnocentrism.

As a radio industry outsider, I see an industry that is stumbling towards a bleak future at the hands of iPods, the internet and satellite radio.  While not always a ratings winner, the Hot Talk format is bringing new ears into the fray, and now it's being cut off at the knees.  It won't be long before sports commentators and political talk show hosts are in the sights of half-baked advocacy groups looking to make a name for themselves.

As someone who has been a radio industry insider since 1989 (and who is looking for a gig in Birmingham by the way, ahem...), radio is an industry which has upsides that iPods, satellite radio, and even the Internet itself cannot compete with: It can be live, interactive, and basically free all at the same time.  Remember, television, fad that it is, was supposed to be the death of radio.  ;)

Heck, political talker Neal Boortz, no stranger to saying stupid things, has been feeling the heat lately for some insensitive comments on the VT shootings.  At least Cox is standing behind him (no doubt because he's a ratings winner over there in the ATL), which is more than I can say for some other companies.

Sorry for the rant, but this issue really bothers me.

I would hope that Cox stands behind Mr. Boortz for deeper reasons that just ratings, but that may be my altruism flaring up.

Mike, I hope this doesn't detract from your points, because you make some good ones... It's just I believe that there's room for the childish radio along with the intelligent, because some of us still have immature sides that like to be entertained.

Not in the slightest, Zach--I always appreciate a good, thoughtful discussion.

And I think our immature sides can be entertained--they just shouldn't be entertained immaturely, if that makes sense.

Oh and welcome to Birmingham, if that's the area you're new to.  ;D  I sure miss my hometown!

It is, and I'm missing my hometown of Memphis.  When I get a gig here, though, I'll have less time to be homesick.
 
Mike Bratton said:
However, the OP quoted Mr. Layton as saying "I think we ought to shoot them," and then responding to a caller by asking "Would I get points if I ran some of them down with my truck?" Planning in advance to kill one person, or a hundred, by the misuse of either a Smith & Wesson or an F-150 can be categorized as a joke, but it's far removed from being funny. Michael Richards was trying to be funny, as was Don Imus.

It was the caller who asked, ""Would I get points if I ran some of them down with my truck?" That tells me that the caller either a) got that Doug was joking or b) should be hunted down and arrested for making such an awful statement and meaning it.

Speaking of what's funny, I'm reminded of a story that's told about Lorne Michaels. When he began Saturday Night Live, Mr. Michaels gave notice that everything and everyone in our society was fair game for a joke, a lampoon (pun intended), or satire. Everything, even death, could be funny. A few years later, after the death of John Belushi, a reporter who was there for that declaration sat down again with Mr. Michaels; in that interview, he was asked when SNL would begin to tell jokes about Mr. Belushi's death--since everything, even death, could be funny, surely the death of a great comic actor like Mr. Belushi would make great material. Unleashing a spew of obscenities, Mr. Michaels threw the reporter out.

Lorne Michaels is apparently a hypocrite. Either everything is game, or it isn't. Because the choice to listen or watch is ours, we choose what can be joked on, by turning off that which offends us. SNL, as far I've known, has never really explored the more controversial side of comedy, anyway. God knows they haven't explored being funny in the last decade.

I would like to note that I think what he said was completely boneheaded and stupid, but I'm latching onto this because of the larger issue at hand. Layton's comments were decidely in poor taste and inappropriate, but this will empower other organizations to take a harder look at the radio landscape as a whole, and the next target will probably be someone who really didn't say anything all that harsh.
The best way to avoid a slippery slope is to stay away from what's slippery.

I would argue that edgy, insensitive comedy is the final bastion of free speech in this PC-infested country. "I can't talk like that at work or in the supermarket, but it's refreshing to hear someone say what my mind has pondered" is the mindset I'm thinking of. Perhaps it isn't a popular way of thinking, but that doesn't make it illegitimate.

What would humor be today without Lenny Bruce, Red Foxx, Sam Kinison, Chris Rock or even Bob Saget?

At this point, the radio companies appear to be running scared from any controversy whatsoever. What is talk radio (both conservative and liberal) without controversial statements and opinions? I fear they are next in line.

CBS is especially in knots over this stuff. Today on NYC's Free FM morning show (Ope & Anthony) they had Larry the Cable Guy in for a segment. He mentioned that some folks are upset that Toyota's in NASCAR now, saying something along the lines of "I hope they don't get an Asian driver in there. 'And, they're off! And, they've crashed!'" Implying that Asians are bad drivers. Come to find out, after Larry left, that CBS dumped out nearly the entire segment. (I didn't hear the dump, because XM gets the uncensored feed, thank heavens.)

If this were an isolated incident, I could see the reasoning more easily. But considering how stupid the whole Imus debacle was (considering he said nothing more offensive that day than any other show he did in the last 30 freakin' years), I'm worried about talk radio in general.

As am I. Juvenile, pugilistic, and otherwise irresponsible performances have permeated the field, and it would be refreshing to see a counter-wave of grownups being funny, entertaining, and compelling without being purposefully offensive.

Why can't there be room for both? The airwaves are vast; there's plenty of room for everyone, IMHO. The "safe" morning shows like Rick & Bubba and Bob & Sherri are soooo boring. I'm not sayin' they're not talented (well, I don't think Bob & Sherri are) but to me, they're so boring. R&B are great family-friendly entertainment but their schtick wears thin quick with a single guy like me. If I wanna hear country-folk yammering incessantly, I'll go visit my relatives. :)

Mike, are you familiar with a guy named Phil Hendrie? He had a show a few years back where he'd be his own guest, doing voices over the phone, generally stirring up controversy. IMO, it was one of those funny, entertaining and compelling shows you long for, but at the same time he would get people upset and calling in by saying things that one might say were juvenile and insensitive. It was an integral part of the comedy... The two concepts aren't exclusive of one another.

The matter of Mr. Imus' remarks to the Rutgers ladies shouldn't be a matter of offense to society at large as much as it should be a matter of Mr. Imus' talent. If using ethnic and gender slurs against young women is his "A" game, he deserved to be benched; as far as I'm concerned, he never had a real "A" game in the first place. I'm less familiar with the context of JV & Elvis' difficulties, but they seem to be individuals who go for cheap laughs as opposed to, again, more grown-up material.

I'll agree, his game was iffy at best. Never understood the appeal... But apparently he did well with the advertisers - WFAN was a top billing station in New York, on AM nonetheless, which is no small feat. JV& Elvis, from what little I've heard, are just awful... But again they have a following, especially in their hometown of San Fran. It is my understanding that they, for lack of better term, "picked on" Asians and gays from time to time -- two things that SF has no shortage of, believe me -- yet never a peep from either group's well-armed advocacy groups.

The same company that lovingly ferried them to market #1 didn't hesitate to pull them off the air immediately for something they apparently condoned months ago on another of their radio stations.

Do we know that their bosses approved of all their gags?

Lest I forget to mention 'the kicker' to all this: Milwaukee has this certifiable talk show host who recently said, on air, that he was happy his competitor's mother died in a house fire. He went so far as to suggest her son killed her, and that she had what was coming to her.

Why no outrage on this one? The one saying the mean things: he's black.

Michael McGee, Sr. also suggested that Charlie Sykes killed his mother for the inheritance--don't forget that.

The relative lack of outrage has more to do with influence than with race, though that double-standard cannot be ignored completely. Mr. McGee's program is brokered, and airs on a station with a very small reach and a very small listenership. His shtick is, and has been, bigoted ethnocentrism.

JV & Elvis went from one CBS station in SF to one in NYC. I'm sure the bosses were aware of their modus operandi. Is influence really relevant, considering how few people probably listen to Willoughby and Layton on WAPI in the mornings? Nowhere near #1 in B'ham, but someone still heard what he said. In McGee's case, the fact that his program is brokered doesn't mean much to me. Could I buy time on one of the basement dwelling AM's in Birmingham and advocate killing Jews for 30 minutes? And if so, would it make it less excusable? The station's still airing that guy, so that to me says they condone his views.

As someone who has been a radio industry insider since 1989 (and who is looking for a gig in Birmingham by the way, ahem...), radio is an industry which has upsides that iPods, satellite radio, and even the Internet itself cannot compete with: It can be live, interactive, and basically free all at the same time. Remember, television, fad that it is, was supposed to be the death of radio. ;)

Don't forget local radio can bring us our local sports, news and weather. Satellite radio can be live and interactive; I listen to more live call-in content on XM than I've probably ever heard on local radio, what with all their time shifting of talk shows (in Birmingham and elsewhere). Not to mention all the voicetracking and computer-jukeboxing I heard on terrestrial when I lived there.

...and while iPods and satellite may not be free, they offer treats to make up for that, so it's not like radio has any hands-down victory.

And I think our immature sides can be entertained--they just shouldn't be entertained immaturely, if that makes sense.

??? Yea, I abate my meth cravings by drinking lots of Red Bull. That works. ::)
(Of course, I'm only kidding about that. I can't stand Red Bull.)

It is, and I'm missing my hometown of Memphis. When I get a gig here, though, I'll have less time to be homesick.

Interesting. Memphis is now my closest "big city" - I live in Grenada, MS now. I hope you find something quick in B'ham -- they desperately need some good talent there!
 
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